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Post by knobbyist on Dec 4, 2007 12:39:29 GMT 8
any review on suntour epicon? i saw one at quiapo. i'm hesitated to buy it because it has a remote lock-out. i don't know what is more durable, w/ lock-out knob or remote lock-out. its good to know that there is another new model of suntour available in our LBS aside from the XCR. i've used xcp and xcr since i started riding and i was very satisfied with them both, i just got a good deal on a marz fork thats why i switched but i would never sell my xcp. i'm just gathering enough parts so i can use it again. hehehe! it really is a great fork, very reliable and sturdy. i hope rux and duro becomes available soon. btw how much were they selling the epicon? ;D i just remembered i saw a suntour rux at endless when we went there last saturday. he was selling it for P10.5k but knowing sir egay, i know he would give a good discount to any rider. its the triple crown dh/fr model of rux.
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Post by bernie on Dec 4, 2007 13:32:43 GMT 8
Actually, i don't want to call this fork a budget fork, not because its a lot cheaper compared to foxes, marz's, and rock shox, They are "Real" it so happened that their price is low but their performace is just the same as hi-end forks endorsed by Mr. RC's magazine. Forget the weight, forget the price, Suntour Forks are great forks! They do the job of the higher ends.
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Post by bobby on Dec 4, 2007 13:49:14 GMT 8
Man you take extra care, seems like your'e both abusive and aggressive rider. Hope you make 1st place this time using the Zokes and thats no Joke ( no pun intended ). Mabuhay !
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Post by bobby on Dec 4, 2007 14:02:15 GMT 8
knobbyist, were you able to handle the RUX was it light even if it was a triple? I fairness was it as heavy as the DNM Volcanoe? I haven't seen it in the flesh yet. Pls feed my mind. BTW that Epicon here in Manila was travel adjustable,remote lock out, had rebound adjuster, 120 mm travel and most of all air adjustable at MSRP 4.6K. AM too long for XC although theres a model for XC.
bernie, you're a true endorser of SR Suntour. Regards!
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Post by xctofi on Dec 4, 2007 14:04:33 GMT 8
Actually, i don't want to call this fork a budget fork, not because its a lot cheaper compared to foxes, marz's, and rock shox, They are "Real" it so happened that their price is low but their performace is just the same as hi-end forks endorsed by Mr. RC's magazine. Forget the weight, forget the price, Suntour Forks are great forks! They do the job of the higher ends. cant say the same, i've tried a junk fork that came with the mall bike, a suntour with magnesium legs after that and it did felt marvelous,then another suntour (air sprung) and it was ok.lighter and a bit better then to a RS Reba SL and what a world of difference, Then another Reba then an F100RLC and now an F100X. suntour forks are the best forks in their price range but they will never come close to the brands/models that are priced twice or more as much as the suntours.it just isnt. you really get what you paid for
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Post by lloyd on Dec 4, 2007 14:07:25 GMT 8
@ bobby,
For the Jr T... no 1st place yet... ;D. But it makes me more confident to bomb down higher drops and bigger jumps... currently, no Dh race for me... i'm stucked here in the urban jungle. No DH escapades available ;D.
Ride Hard and Ride Safe...
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Post by knobbyist on Dec 4, 2007 15:08:48 GMT 8
bobbydi ko nabuhat brad. i was too busy drooling over the hone cranks and sun rhyno-lite rims. hehehe! btw that epicon really sounds impressive. travel adjustment, remote lock-out and rebound adjustment for P4.6k? deym... talk about bang for the buck. tingnan ko nga minsan yan. what shop in quiapo carries it? ;D
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Post by mythbuster on Dec 4, 2007 15:37:00 GMT 8
Actually, i don't want to call this fork a budget fork, not because its a lot cheaper compared to foxes, marz's, and rock shox, They are "Real" it so happened that their price is low but their performace is just the same as hi-end forks endorsed by Mr. RC's magazine. Forget the weight, forget the price, Suntour Forks are great forks! They do the job of the higher ends. cant say the same, i've tried a junk fork that came with the mall bike, a suntour with magnesium legs after that and it did felt marvelous,then another suntour (air sprung) and it was ok.lighter and a bit better then to a RS Reba SL and what a world of difference, Then another Reba then an F100RLC and now an F100X. suntour forks are the best forks in their price range but they will never come close to the brands/models that are priced twice or more as much as the suntours.it just isnt. you really get what you paid for I have both low and hi-ends forks, my usual trail is Cavinti, Bukal, Talaongan Trails, lucky me, so far both forks stand stood still with a little bit aggressive drops. Maybe boss bernie means the function of the fork not the actual abuse meter of the fork. But I am wandering, If MTB Action will endorse Suntour Forks, will the price be the same and will have psychological effects in our rides?
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Post by john on Dec 5, 2007 6:55:41 GMT 8
....ot can you share some insights on how to tune this fork (XCR), there is a red part enclosed in a plastic cover(left leg) i don't know if it has a function.... there is a + and - sign indication on the plastic cover. many thanks
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Post by knobbyist on Dec 5, 2007 9:49:59 GMT 8
johnthat knob is for the preload adjustment of the fork. turning it towards the + sign makes the coil springs more stiff for heavier riders and vice versa. the red part enclosed in plastic is just an indicator of the process, it'll shorten when turning the knob to one direction and vice versa. ;D
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Post by maxbuwaya on Dec 5, 2007 11:15:04 GMT 8
cant say the same, i've tried a junk fork that came with the mall bike, a suntour with magnesium legs after that and it did felt marvelous,then another suntour (air sprung) and it was ok.lighter and a bit better then to a RS Reba SL and what a world of difference, Then another Reba then an F100RLC and now an F100X. suntour forks are the best forks in their price range but they will never come close to the brands/models that are priced twice or more as much as the suntours.it just isnt. you really get what you paid for I have both low and hi-ends forks, my usual trail is Cavinti, Bukal, Talaongan Trails, lucky me, so far both forks stand stood still with a little bit aggressive drops. Maybe boss bernie means the function of the fork not the actual abuse meter of the fork. But I am wandering, If MTB Action will endorse Suntour Forks, will the price be the same and will have psychological effects in our rides? There are few riders who gives good reviews on their item because it is expensive and hi end. ;D
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Post by lloyd on Dec 5, 2007 11:49:28 GMT 8
We can't compare SR Suntour forks like the widely used XCRs to other brand models since their target market and technology is different.
To site an example, SR Suntours XCR is not the same as the Zokes EXR in terms of techology. EXRs damping system is open bath system (both legs)... the same to that on motocross fork suspension. While SR Suntour's XCRs are greased damping... same as the lower end model of Manitou... (hydraulics on models w/ lock out... only on one leg). The price of the fork also includes their technological advancement.
It is better to compare the XCRs to zokes MZ comp... why? They have an identical technology... and, both forks are manufactured by SR Suntour. As i've said, SR Suntour is the subcon of Marzocchi.
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Post by bernie on Dec 5, 2007 14:51:43 GMT 8
I have both low and hi-ends forks, my usual trail is Cavinti, Bukal, Talaongan Trails, lucky me, so far both forks stand stood still with a little bit aggressive drops. Maybe boss bernie means the function of the fork not the actual abuse meter of the fork. But I am wandering, If MTB Action will endorse Suntour Forks, will the price be the same and will have psychological effects in our rides? There are few riders who gives good reviews on their item because it is expensive and hi end. ;D Hehehehe correct and Mr. RC is very influencial, anyway what I mean is on my statement is not that "literal" what I'm saying is they are all forks and they hold the skewer of your wheelset and roll on the road heheheheh, just a little exage there. Hehehehhehe Mythbuster is right, the time MTBAction is endorsing RST, RST fork has good market here, If only MBAction will endorse this product, the price will tend to get high and more good reviews hehehehehh
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Post by bobby on Dec 5, 2007 21:28:29 GMT 8
Psst!Lets go slow over the reviews here, prices might increase.
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Post by cerulean on Dec 5, 2007 22:56:29 GMT 8
all i can say is thumbs up for suntour for the XCR! Looks good and performs its job. Best value for your hard earned money. And another thing with regards to durability I haven't heard anyone breaking one. I know its for XC and should not be used aggressively but it is fairly tough. Hope more of suntour products be carried here in our shores... =)
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Post by john on Dec 6, 2007 8:01:52 GMT 8
johnthat knob is for the preload adjustment of the fork. turning it towards the + sign makes the coil springs more stiff for heavier riders and vice versa. the red part enclosed in plastic is just an indicator of the process, it'll shorten when turning the knob to one direction and vice versa. ;D tks.... i thought it had xtra functions and i was planning on taking the cover out just to check.... buti na lang, kung di sira yun ;D.... trans... don't mess with it if aint broke....
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Post by bobby on Dec 6, 2007 17:28:55 GMT 8
john, if you are really adventurous, and would like to tinker with your fork, it really that easy.
The slotted gaps around the cover with the red marker could be turned counterclockwise with a long nosed pliers, just be careful I mean real careful not to slip amongst the slot or you'll damage it .After half a turn it'll turn by hand , what will be exposed to you is just like a large plastic bolt screw , thats it it just compresses the spring underneath it. Now that is open take time to grease it and put it back again.
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Post by olrac on Dec 6, 2007 22:27:19 GMT 8
johnthat knob is for the preload adjustment of the fork. turning it towards the + sign makes the coil springs more stiff for heavier riders and vice versa. the red part enclosed in plastic is just an indicator of the process, it'll shorten when turning the knob to one direction and vice versa. ;D what about the other knob? for the xcr model w/o the lock out..
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Post by knobbyist on Dec 7, 2007 0:02:51 GMT 8
what about the other knob? for the xcr model w/o the lock out.. the same thing. both legs have coil springs and the same process is done to adjust the pre-load.
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Post by olrac on Dec 7, 2007 12:33:29 GMT 8
what about the other knob? for the xcr model w/o the lock out.. the same thing. both legs have coil springs and the same process is done to adjust the pre-load. thanks! i thought it's for the rebound of the spring because the other side is for compression. ;D
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Post by john on Dec 8, 2007 7:11:04 GMT 8
.... i tried tinkering with the xcr on my wife's rig, dunno if its just me, but the pre load adjustment seems dull, i tried to adjust both soft (-) and hard settings (+), but i feel that it has no effect.... i love the remote lock out though you can lock it at any given height. well its a nice fork for starters.
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Post by bobby on Dec 8, 2007 10:26:00 GMT 8
john, thats true, it seems dull. Thats it because of the minimal effect of it. And also why owners of other forks seem to dispice our lower end forks. Nice fork for starters trulyly.
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Post by maxbuwaya on Dec 8, 2007 11:39:47 GMT 8
.... i tried tinkering with the xcr on my wife's rig, dunno if its just me, but the pre load adjustment seems dull, i tried to adjust both soft (-) and hard settings (+), but i feel that it has no effect.... i love the remote lock out though you can lock it at any given height. well its a nice fork for starters. Ive experience this, but after some months you will feel the difference. Guaranteed!
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Post by trance03 on Dec 8, 2007 12:35:13 GMT 8
ive used suntour xcr in my previous life. first the one lockout and the one w/o. theyre good enough for starters because they re not so expensive and they look mean enough. the model w/ the lockout has a softer spring and it doesnt do very well on the trails as its not very tunable and it tends to bottom out on small jumps.overall, the suntour xcr's are good until you start to think about the other more expensive, monster endorsed porks....
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Post by olrac on Dec 8, 2007 13:32:03 GMT 8
.... i tried tinkering with the xcr on my wife's rig, dunno if its just me, but the pre load adjustment seems dull, i tried to adjust both soft (-) and hard settings (+), but i feel that it has no effect.... i love the remote lock out though you can lock it at any given height. well its a nice fork for starters. Ive experience this, but after some months you will feel the difference. Guaranteed! ^^+1
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Post by knobbyist on Dec 9, 2007 20:38:41 GMT 8
i saw the epicon fork in king's earlier today. looks really nice. didn't measure the stanchions but comparing it to the xcr, i think its 32mm already and its taller than the xcr as well. they also have the duro already and were selling it for P4.5k.
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Post by 3d3r on Dec 10, 2007 19:35:48 GMT 8
i saw the epicon fork in king's earlier today. looks really nice. didn't measure the stanchions but comparing it to the xcr, i think its 32mm already and its taller than the xcr as well. they also have the duro already and were selling it for P4.5k. Sir, there are these types of epicon available in their website; SF8-EPICON XC TAD, SF8-EPICON RLD, SF8-EPICON RL, SF8-EPICON RL, SF8-EPICON LO and SF8-EPICON DA . Now, my question is, what kind of Epicon is selling most on our LBS? TIA
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Post by knobbyist on Dec 10, 2007 20:17:33 GMT 8
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Post by 3d3r on Dec 10, 2007 20:32:18 GMT 8
Thank you sir knobbyist. Appreciate it.
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Post by mythbuster on Jan 1, 2008 19:50:31 GMT 8
suntour forks are the best forks in their price range but they will never come close to the brands/models that are priced twice or more as much as the suntours.it just isnt. you really get what you paid for
as far as Im concerned, I don't agree on this, sorry brad just my opinion with testing, they may have differences but not that really far. I like testing things and you know....
i don't work for suntour just tested it in my usual brutal rides.
Happy New Year!
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