isteb
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Post by isteb on Jun 12, 2008 7:30:24 GMT 8
Personally I prefer the mace, pepper spray or tear gas.. the only problem is you might spray yourself if not careful.. it's small can fit in any pocket.. concealable.. and cheap at 169.00 179 0r even 190 pesos... it's readily available... allegra>they even have these brief type holsters.. i guess it depends where you ride.. got a couple of friends whose on a stumpjumper, ibis and etc.. 2 jeep full of men are waiting for them at the other end.. good thing they were able to turn back to Puerto Azul before these men could catch up scary thought...
Avoid conflicts if you can.. walk away if you can... speed away if you can.. Ego stands at the height of confrontations.. you have nothing to lose if you stand back and walk away.. (Confrontation scenario)
In an event of a robbery, just give it.. no matter how priceless your bike is you can always save up and buy a better one... it's a priceless thought of having walked away from a scene unscathed.. we all have families..
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cmtulis
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Post by cmtulis on Jun 12, 2008 22:45:42 GMT 8
@ anshwa That's a good point man! ;D But being just trained will never do.. I have heard of a Black-Belter who was robbed just because of threats(without showing a weapon even! ), a guy with a gun backing out because the other guy kinda wants to get shot anyway(true story ).. The thing is you got to have guts! And lots of it! Oh! and heres another situation.. What if person A instead of just wanting to fight Person B just wants to steal the bike of Person B? De-escalation won't do... Person B must fight back or at least keep Person A at bay so Person B can escape.. The best way to do this is to kick some balls! No weapons needed..
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Post by allegra on Jun 12, 2008 23:20:42 GMT 8
Fascinating insights Yup , you cant de-escalate when your being robbed, pagmay confrontation lang You de-escalate when your unwilling or unable to fight I doubt yung mga matatapang would de-escalate hehe papatol mga yun
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Post by anshwa on Jun 13, 2008 2:21:32 GMT 8
You guys are right. When you're being robbed, give it to them. If they're trying to hurt you, try to de-escalate or avoid the situation. Last resort is to use whatever weapon you choose to have on you.
BUT, Allegra is right. Those who have the nerve & capacity to fight back wouldn't just give the bike to the robber nor would they run away from a group of perps trying to intimidate them. That's just how it is, I guess.
Now, just to clarify another point I had in my last post. An individual or group of individuals really bent on hurting you wouldn't just back off because you pepper sprayed them or hit them with a baton or stabbed them with a knife or even shot them with your gun. If they don't get a serious wound, they'll only get pissed even more & you're about screwed at that point. In other words, don't attempt to intimidate - the really tough ones don't get intimidated. If you're fighting back, fight to SERIOUSLY hurt.
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Post by gadgets88 on Jun 14, 2008 11:00:15 GMT 8
How many times do you have to be attacked before you decide to train & carry a weapon on you? I totally agree! When you bring guns or knives, how much of a sureshot are you? Are you willing to kill or maim? And being outnumbered with no referees? There's no room for posers in this sport called street fighting. Either you're ready or don't. How many of you are willing to undergo rigorous training before actually bringing a weapon? I'm not talking about knowing how to use the weapon for a year or 2 (like a newbie biker, mp3 kind of skill). I'm talking about knowing how to use the weapon like 2nd nature (halimaw mode). The operative word here being TRAINED. I've seen some people itching to start a fight without thinking. My punk neighbor a long time ago tried to start a fight with me without checking my background. All the while he was harassing me with his words, I thought to myself the shame I'll bring to the club (and get myself kicked out, or worse, the kind of beating I'd get from my brothers) if word came out that I hurt somebody outside the dojo, so I apologized to the punk kid and de-escalated the confrontation. The operative word here is THOUGHT. We have stories of 9th degree black belt masters getting killed fighting 3 guys in the middle of the night. Sure the 3 guys were black and blue, but the master had his fingers and toes cut off because the 3 attackers had knives. So you see, it's a different ballgame on the streets compared to the dojo. Even great skills don't guarantee survival in the streets. The operative word here is NO GUARANTEES. This wargame is so complicated and dangerous it's always better to have lots of company at all times, than have a weapon as a security blanket. A weapon totally changes your psyche and attitude, you see. When you have to have a weapon, make sure you know how to use it, willing to use it, and make sure it doesn't get traced back to you. The operative word here is GET OUT QUICK ALL THE TIME.
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Post by allegra on Jun 14, 2008 15:19:00 GMT 8
Daym , Gadgets pala is a lethal weapon! I better get on your good side
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Post by enzo on Jun 14, 2008 15:42:26 GMT 8
A simple take from our security guard, Boss if you kill the guy, here are the hassles.
1.) you will have a permanent record. 2.) you will be imprisoned briefly at maybe the Mayores will hurt you if you dont give (hatag) bribe of foods or even money, but not you. 3.) court is court and it's messy, super abala. 4.) you will pay the family of your opponent lump sum, say 50k pesos na yata takbuhan ngayon or more if you fight with a rich thug ;D he wont be that's why he's a thug. 5.) the stress you will give to your family.
If he kills you, then your family will be sad and nobody to give me a job anymore, then my family will starve.
iwas na lang boss and he's not worth it. next time call me at akong babalik sa kanila. hehehe!
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Post by gadgets88 on Jun 14, 2008 17:25:37 GMT 8
Daym , Gadgets pala is a lethal weapon! I better get on your good side That was some 20 years ago Allegra, where I used to be muscular, limber and have lethal club buddies on call. Now I'm clumsy, slow, haggard from all the challenges of life, no muscles to show, body abused from trying (hard) all those sport that wasn't meant to be. Good thing cellphones were invented. Makes my buddies one phone call away.
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Post by allegra on Jun 15, 2008 7:33:54 GMT 8
Kung my psychopathic tendencies ang isang tao , he doesnt think about the consequences of his actions Laws and the resulting punishments dehins niya naiisip, unlike normal people like us ahem Psychopathic is yung extremely violent behavior w/ lack of empathy followed by the absence of remorse . This is different from ordinary aggressive guys , kasi sila may conscience pa 2% of the population exhibit this psychopathic tendencies , baka may kilala kayo hehe
Scary topic , I get nervous typing this
Dr Allegra Behavioral Scientist
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 15, 2008 16:54:45 GMT 8
hmm...how about the peeps na dapat "normal" but were brought up in a household with almost nil moral values..."holdaper si ama, snatcher si mama, prosti si ate" types...virtually no concept of God..i wonder how much percentage of the population they represent?
what do you think, dr. allegra?
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Post by allegra on Jun 15, 2008 20:25:38 GMT 8
hmm...how about the peeps na dapat "normal" but were brought up in a household with almost nil moral values..."holdaper si ama, snatcher si mama, prosti si ate" types...virtually no concept of God..i wonder how much percentage of the population they represent? what do you think, dr. allegra? Percentages jan would depend sa percentage ng may toyo sa environment ng bata rather than internal pschological factors w/c I think mas random Pero a psychopath iba naman yan sa common criminal He doesnt have to be on the wrong side of the law He can be a college fratman na parati frontliner , a cop or combat personel na meron unsusual number ng kills etc The biggest difference is lack of empathy ( awa ) and absence of remorse ( di ko alam tagalog nyan ) Nagtataka rin ako , I cant find any studies to back me up pero of the 4 people i've identified exhibiting psychopathic tendencies , 3 of them are incredibly charming individuals Pansin mo kasi , instantly they can change from being pleasant to menacing Dr Allegra Weight Loss specialist & Firearms Instructor
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parker
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Post by parker on Jun 17, 2008 12:36:58 GMT 8
i used to be a self defense enthusiast, studying street fighting, practicing moves, carrying weapons. i actually thought i was a force to reckon with and an attacker would surely end up dead if they mess with me. in short, i thought i was invincible. until i saw this site. www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/crime_is_a_process.htmthe best form of self defense is avoiding crime before it happens. please see the five stages of violent crime and how to avoid it through the pyramid of personal safety.
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asto
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Post by asto on Jun 17, 2008 12:47:06 GMT 8
Our knowledge on self defense applied only when we are personally confronted by attackers. That's why it is called "Self-defense". Your attacker didn't know if you have this knowledge, you can applied it effectively to them. Just to teach them some lesson. Unless you're displaying some moves (yabang effect) and later they will test you. Good luck!
If I am going to run just to avoid the unavoidable scenario, why should I learn pa such "Self defense techniques".
I think this art is called "BITHISATA: Bitbit Tsiinelas Sabay Takbo".
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Post by rocky on Jun 17, 2008 13:20:26 GMT 8
Self -Defense Gadgets?
How can we defend ourselves two (2) nights ago when 6 akyat-bahay-gang (robbers) were on the verge of robbing my neighbor (hope Not moi because my only valuable properties are my silver trekkie, Trek fuel 80, and Ibis Mojo Naked). Buti na lang our neighborhood has this direct line to Camp Crame anti-crime unit and we were able to tip the Law re two cars with undesirable faces roaming the street suspiciously. SWAT caught up with them and vicious fire fight ensued. 6 of Akyat-Bahay gang members were peppered with high calibre bullets (one of them active member of Manila's finest MPD) right on my driveway. 5 from side of Camp Crame were likewise wounded but non-seriously. Weapons recovered from robbers were carbine, armalites, .45 pistols, 3 grenades, sledgehammer, ropes, steel saw, can of gasoline, plastic handcuffs. Which made investigators to suspect this same gang commited Talayan robbery several days ago where owner of the property and her apo plus 5 maids were hogtied, stabbed to death, and burned together with the house.
So how can we defend ourselves against this band of vicious criminals armed to the teeth?
We got lucky ... I guess.
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 17, 2008 13:54:32 GMT 8
yup, specially if the criminals are members of the law enforcement. hehe!
may they all rot in hell.
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 17, 2008 15:30:06 GMT 8
hmm...how about the peeps na dapat "normal" but were brought up in a household with almost nil moral values..."holdaper si ama, snatcher si mama, prosti si ate" types...virtually no concept of God..i wonder how much percentage of the population they represent? what do you think, dr. allegra? Percentages jan would depend sa percentage ng may toyo sa environment ng bata rather than internal pschological factors w/c I think mas random Pero a psychopath iba naman yan sa common criminal He doesnt have to be on the wrong side of the law He can be a college fratman na parati frontliner , a cop or combat personel na meron unsusual number ng kills etc The biggest difference is lack of empathy ( awa ) and absence of remorse ( di ko alam tagalog nyan ) Nagtataka rin ako , I cant find any studies to back me up pero of the 4 people i've identified exhibiting psychopathic tendencies , 3 of them are incredibly charming individuals Pansin mo kasi , instantly they can change from being pleasant to menacing Dr Allegra Weight Loss specialist & Firearms Instructor hmm..i thought psychopaths are antisocial? or maybe they are not psychopaths at all...some really nice peeps when pushed to limit can be really dangerous...take for example, sonny parsons...this guy killed several people but showed no remorse...he knew he had to to it and it was the right thing to do...malinaw ang isip...i think he's perfectly normal person.
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Post by allegra on Jun 17, 2008 18:37:29 GMT 8
Self -Defense Gadgets? How can we defend ourselves two (2) nights ago when 6 akyat-bahay-gang (robbers) were on the verge of robbing my neighbor (hope Not moi because my only valuable properties are my silver trekkie, Trek fuel 80, and Ibis Mojo Naked). Buti na lang our neighborhood has this direct line to Camp Crame anti-crime unit and we were able to tip the Law re two cars with undesirable faces roaming the street suspiciously. SWAT caught up with them and vicious fire fight ensued. 6 of Akyat-Bahay gang members were peppered with high calibre bullets (one of them active member of Manila's finest MPD) right on my driveway. 5 from side of Camp Crame were likewise wounded but non-seriously. Weapons recovered from robbers were carbine, armalites, .45 pistols, 3 grenades, sledgehammer, ropes, steel saw, can of gasoline, plastic handcuffs. Which made investigators to suspect this same gang commited Talayan robbery several days ago where owner of the property and her apo plus 5 maids were hogtied, stabbed to death, and burned together with the house. So how can we defend ourselves against this band of vicious criminals armed to the teeth? We got lucky ... I guess. Yup , I think the team commander there was Col. Alex Sintin , my former team mate sa Rp team Sa ABSCBN they showed his damaged rifle w/c saved him Astig , the guy has been in so many firefights
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Post by allegra on Jun 17, 2008 18:42:23 GMT 8
Percentages jan would depend sa percentage ng may toyo sa environment ng bata rather than internal pschological factors w/c I think mas random Pero a psychopath iba naman yan sa common criminal He doesnt have to be on the wrong side of the law He can be a college fratman na parati frontliner , a cop or combat personel na meron unsusual number ng kills etc The biggest difference is lack of empathy ( awa ) and absence of remorse ( di ko alam tagalog nyan ) Nagtataka rin ako , I cant find any studies to back me up pero of the 4 people i've identified exhibiting psychopathic tendencies , 3 of them are incredibly charming individuals Pansin mo kasi , instantly they can change from being pleasant to menacing Dr Allegra Weight Loss specialist & Firearms Instructor hmm..i thought psychopaths are antisocial? or maybe they are not psychopaths at all...some really nice peeps when pushed to limit can be really dangerous...take for example, sonny parsons...this guy killed several people but showed no remorse...he knew he had to to it and it was the right thing to do...malinaw ang isip...i think he's perfectly normal person. Nope , I'm pretty sure they are psychopaths Very familiar w/ one of them Sonny parsons errr....ummm...so said the newspapers But if it was true , he had a reason Psychos dont need a reason , it's almost a need
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Post by rocky on Jun 18, 2008 2:00:29 GMT 8
Yup , I think the team commander there was Col. Alex Sintin , my former team mate sa Rp team Sa ABSCBN they showed his damaged rifle w/c saved him Astig , the guy has been in so many firefights Yup. Col. Alex Sintin. Talked to him right after when powder smoke just cleared and he said "How can a PO1 be driving a black Honda Jazz when I, as a colonel, am driving an old car only? There must be Bigtime backers behind this cop?"
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Post by allegra on Jun 18, 2008 6:33:38 GMT 8
Yup , I think the team commander there was Col. Alex Sintin , my former team mate sa Rp team Sa ABSCBN they showed his damaged rifle w/c saved him Astig , the guy has been in so many firefights Yup. Col. Alex Sintin. Talked to him right after when powder smoke just cleared and he said "How can a PO1 be driving a black Honda Jazz when I, as a colonel, am driving an old car only? There must be Bigtime backers behind this cop?" The usual sindikato I guess Cars are probably stolen though
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 18, 2008 11:25:45 GMT 8
Yup , I think the team commander there was Col. Alex Sintin , my former team mate sa Rp team Sa ABSCBN they showed his damaged rifle w/c saved him Astig , the guy has been in so many firefights Yup. Col. Alex Sintin. Talked to him right after when powder smoke just cleared and he said "How can a PO1 be driving a black Honda Jazz when I, as a colonel, am driving an old car only? There must be Bigtime backers behind this cop?" it shows that he's wise enough not to flaunt his true wealth...fools drive nicer cars but end up dead. ;D (joke!)
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Post by allegra on Jun 18, 2008 12:43:28 GMT 8
Yup. Col. Alex Sintin. Talked to him right after when powder smoke just cleared and he said "How can a PO1 be driving a black Honda Jazz when I, as a colonel, am driving an old car only? There must be Bigtime backers behind this cop?" it shows that he's wise enough not to flaunt his true wealth...fools drive nicer cars but end up dead. ;D (joke!) I really doubt that, simple lang si Alex He's a great guy , no vices , but he loves to shoot , sponsored pa ng gun manufacturer kasi he really good He was still a major nun the last time I saw him He still looks too young to be a colonel
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 18, 2008 13:04:53 GMT 8
it shows that he's wise enough not to flaunt his true wealth...fools drive nicer cars but end up dead. ;D (joke!) I really doubt that, simple lang si Alex He's a great guy , no vices , but he loves to shoot , sponsored pa ng gun manufacturer kasi he really good He was still a major nun the last time I saw him He still looks too young to be a colonel yup, i saw him on tv...lean guy who looks like he spends his working hours under the sun...nice to know he's unlike many others... may God bless people like him.
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Post by rocky on Jun 18, 2008 13:14:45 GMT 8
In simplicity the colonel was effective and got the job done.
Countless drills and training. That was what it took to neutralize bullies effectively.
All in a days work. Except that night, the target was "live" and "firing" back.
I didn't witness much from where I was watching in my room. I knew better to stay down, concealed, and covered while the 4th of july fireworks was going on. If ever I saw colonel Alex led the assault, it was similar to squad tactics of U.S. Marines executing urban assaults under cover of darkness.
Precision. Teamwork. Discipline. Professionalism. Fire power control. These were self-defense gadgets Colonel Alex Sintin employed.
I salute you Col Alex.
Our neighborhood salute your Team of Heroes too.
Salamat po...Sir.
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Post by allegra on Jun 18, 2008 23:33:04 GMT 8
In simplicity the colonel was effective and got the job done. Countless drills and training. That was what it took to neutralize bullies effectively. All in a days work. Except that night, the target was "live" and "firing" back. I didn't witness much from where I was watching in my room. I knew better to stay down, concealed, and covered while the 4th of july fireworks was going on. If ever I saw colonel Alex led the assault, it was similar to squad tactics of U.S. Marines executing urban assaults under cover of darkness. Precision. Teamwork. Discipline. Professionalism. Fire power control. These were self-defense gadgets Colonel Alex Sintin employed. I salute you Col Alex. Our neighborhood salute your Team of Heroes too. Salamat po...Sir. Here's a post from Ed from the Band of Glockers Forum - Guys, I was lucky enough to meet Col Sintin just this morning. I asked him if he was the guy who came out on TV about his M16 being hit. YUP he replied - To cut the story short - he thought his gun jammed - he checked it. there was a hole on the upper receiver and when he looked on the other side - it didn't go through but dented the other side of the receiver. Guess what portion was the receiver covering?!?! COM - heart area - Geeezzzz!!!! I told him Sir dehins mo pa panahon ( It isn't your time yet) he agreed. The guy beside him got hit. It was a 9mm that hit his rifle. The BGs were also firing full auto. I just got goose bumps when he was telling us what happened - for the records the bad guys did fire first and fired a lot!!! Funny thing he had this smile and he said "ok din sabayan yung putok namin". My companion asked him why he didn't wear his vest - well hassle daw - mainit kasi so he gave it to one of his boys to use Distance of the encounter - 7m I asked him if he took cover - yup but it was a low wall so he had to stand to clear the wall when the shooting started. Luckily bad guys didn't have enough time to use the 2 grenades they had.
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Post by enzo on Jun 19, 2008 22:29:46 GMT 8
Allegra,
Maybe Col. Alex have some special power or Amulet?(anting anting)
I was wondering how many he doubletopped?
or talagang a guardian angel is protecting him.
May his tribe increase.
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Post by allegra on Jun 19, 2008 23:37:15 GMT 8
Allegra, Maybe Col. Alex have some special power or Amulet?(anting anting) I was wondering how many he doubletopped? or talagang a guardian angel is protecting him. May his tribe increase. I hope his guardian angel doersnt take vacations I remember he was in another fight on tv , where he shot it out w/ holdapers just a few months ago I think he's assigned sa Intelligence now
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Post by allegra on Jun 21, 2008 9:18:00 GMT 8
Wow! Alex's group gets into another fight ngayon lang hehe 3 dead holdap guys This time in Novaliches I'm not complaining
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Post by knobbyist on Jun 21, 2008 11:44:07 GMT 8
Wow! Alex's group gets into another fight ngayon lang hehe 3 dead holdap guys This time in Novaliches I'm not complaining yeah i saw him on tv last night. 3 guys robbing a gasoline station... i guess for the last time. malupit ang nilalang na yon.
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Post by enzo on Jun 21, 2008 13:40:56 GMT 8
It seems that holduppers are frequent in Novaliches area I hope Col. Alex Sintin is always around when these criminals are around. I hope the he never runs out of luck and may the Lord protect and bless him.
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