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Post by allegra on Jun 28, 2007 10:35:47 GMT 8
I doubt a gun while riding would help By the time your able to stop and draw the gun it would be too late OTOH, If you've got the time to stop be stable enough to draw and aim , then you've got time to ride away Anyway ,if riding alone just ride early in the morning to noon More likely the The lowlifes and troublemakers are still tired and asleep from the prvious nights action
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Post by gadgets88 on Jun 28, 2007 12:40:49 GMT 8
In most SM Malls. Hann sells the high end stuff LED flashlights (imported by our very own Mondy) Guns Knives Swiss multitools and all those adventurers' toys this is a diff store from hahn manila? That's the one! They sell those self-defense gadgets and what have you's toys for the big boys. Is that what it's called? Hahn Manila? Never got the store name right. Sorry! I usually go into an epileptic seizure everytime I pass by, you see...
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Post by whoopi on Jun 28, 2007 12:56:43 GMT 8
i can't believe you used to carry a gun, LAMOK. you don't seem the type ;D
anyway, about stabbing, i read somewhere that it is better to slash than to stab. slashing produces more blood, and the blood will distract the attacker, specially if you slash him where he can't see how big and deep the wound is (e.g., do a Zorro pattern on his face, or just aim for the forehead). he'll become intensely self-absorbed and that will be your chance to run.
me, i carry a concealed weapon all the time. i just pop it in the mouth and shout "DARNA!".
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Post by jimbo on Jun 28, 2007 13:21:33 GMT 8
a good old fashioned ballpen works wonders or even a set of keys jammed between the fingers. hehe
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Post by enzo on Jun 28, 2007 14:00:19 GMT 8
Like Tolits,I used to carry a gun too! During our mapping with the Cycad peeps there is always one guy in the sag vehicle who carries one, just in case some low life or paranoid try to mess with us. Deterent lang ba. A couple of times on a Pangarap to Wawa ride,I brought along my SW 38 snub nose hammerless. Actually meron siyang hammer, but hidden or covered by the extended metal part near the grip, that being, so you can use even under your shirt. The pin or the hammer itself will not snag or get caught with your shirt. Daya no? An incident there prompted me to carry one when some of the drunks across the store/carinderia before the entrance of the wawa itself. I was with Milo and Roam( anyone of you knows this guys, tambay ng Extreme?) We were eating at the said carinderia and one of the drunks walk in and purposely(the owner didnt notice it) knocked his bike. So all of us heard it and look behind whos bike it is, Roam picked his bike and mutted cooly, wow! binangga bike ko. The lady of the store castigated the drunk and he replied "hahara-hara kasi bike nyo eh". But they are my customers. Word war started between the two and we just paid and started to leave. The gang were rattled coz the drunks across the street were all looking at us with the knocker almost like lip pointing to us. I let the guys mounted their bike and when all of them are moving, I took out my shades and eyeballed them to show my face too then flip my belt bag and took out my cigarette and lighter, and accidentally, purposely showed the butt of my gun. All of them drunks shifted their heads and look the other way. I never wnt there the next 3 weeks, but when things are cool already, Iwe ride there again and I saw the same guys, sober and one even raised his hands and even made a peace sign to us. I wouldnt recommend this stunt if you dont know how to handle the situation. What prompted me to carry one is the number of times that this guys around that area are starting to think bikers are easy prey for them. There were two incidents there. The other one, Roam almost wet his shorts and mutted something like "Wow war freak pala si Edgar, bumibili ng away" Trans= Fight ready. After all, I have to depend this young guys being the oldest in the group and show them cyclist cannot be pushed around. At least now even with or without me, everytime they pass by there, the drunks never fail to wave to the group. OT Safe bullet is what I have with this SW. Glazer(para walang ricochet at patay agad) trans= Sweet! I reserved the Black Talon and hollow point duon sa mga tulak sa Squatter area namin. Trans= Sweeter!
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 28, 2007 17:15:11 GMT 8
whoopi, enzo, mine was partly because of my job...i never carried a gun on the trails.
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Post by enzo on Jun 28, 2007 17:22:41 GMT 8
whoopi, enzo, mine was partly because of my job...i never carried a gun on the trails. That was never repeated, highly protective lang me coz my nephews are young and so newbie then. They told me stories about almost ganged up in that area. But that was long time ago. My nephews were not even in their twenties then.
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 28, 2007 17:39:29 GMT 8
no one can blame you enzo...i prolly wud have done the same...actually, i think i know someone here in PinoyMTBiker who still do carry a gun.
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Post by enzo on Jun 28, 2007 18:18:26 GMT 8
no one can blame you enzo...i prolly wud have done the same...actually, i think i know someone here in PinoyMTBiker who still do carry a gun. Thanks Tolits, I thought it would send a negative message to all. (pahirap na kasi ng pahirap ang buhay sa atin kaya dami nag iisip ng masama) Trans= WOW Phils!
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Post by savers on Jun 29, 2007 6:40:06 GMT 8
before you could apply those self defense gadgets, try to consider this first 1. that there's an unlawful aggression 2. that there's reasonable necessity of the means employed to prevent or repel it. and 3. that there's lack of sufficient provocation on the part of the person defending himself. otherwise, if those above-cited circumstannces are not present you might be criminally liable. have a nice day.
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Post by whoopi on Jun 29, 2007 11:41:50 GMT 8
oh ENZO, was just saying LAMOK didn't seem the type kasi if you've met him he's parang a priest nyehehe ;D
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 29, 2007 15:10:22 GMT 8
oh ENZO, was just saying LAMOK didn't seem the type kasi if you've met him he's parang a priest nyehehe ;D huh?! i cant believe you would say that! all along i thought i have this macho impression on women. ;D
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Post by whoopi on Jun 29, 2007 16:01:47 GMT 8
TOLITS, to borrow Onie's words, that's only when you're wearing your "lycra superhero outfit" ;D
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Post by yukon on Jun 29, 2007 19:55:57 GMT 8
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Post by Alphabolt on Jun 29, 2007 22:36:44 GMT 8
TOLITS, to borrow Onie's words, that's only when you're wearing your "lycra superhero outfit" ;D So I guess the ladies and all the titas (hahayyy) of PinoyMTBiker would like to see Tolits do an Oblation Run ...with your lycras naman pls lang ;D ;D That ll scare the goons of wawa
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Post by allegra on Jul 5, 2007 8:34:22 GMT 8
I'm in need of a small powerful led light , any suggestions?
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Post by glockbiker on Aug 13, 2007 15:20:09 GMT 8
I had also considered carrying a gun before. But I've never owned a small one that would be handy to carry. I've always wanted a 5-shot, spurless snub-nosed revolver.
Like they say, "It's better to have one and not need it, than need one and not have it!"
But when I finally buy one, I will PRAY hard that I never get to use it on another human being! I don't think killing people is something I can be proud of.
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Post by Taba® on Aug 13, 2007 19:43:06 GMT 8
I prefer to have a handy 9mm...bikenappers don't work alone, there are two, three, four or even more....to be used only on worst situation and for self defense....at this time and after considering SAVERS message....(unfortunately for us these thieves have high tech gadgets as well).... a 9mm is considered....
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Post by allegra on Aug 13, 2007 22:54:05 GMT 8
2 students were stabbed at my night time secret training route But I have my new trusty Fenix tactical light 135 lumens at turbo mode , w/ strobe to disorient any would be attacker naks Bigay ko nalang sa kanya if he promises not to stab me
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Post by Alphabolt on Aug 14, 2007 0:44:25 GMT 8
2 students were stabbed at my night time secret training route But I have my new trusty Fenix tactical light 135 lumens at turbo mode , w/ strobe to disorient any would be attacker naks Bigay ko nalang sa kanya if he promises not to stab me stabbed and robbed ? yeah ...I 'd carry a piece in that trail getting robbed is bad enough but getting stabbed is evil! >
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Post by rednose on Aug 14, 2007 1:12:41 GMT 8
carry a .22 or for a nine mil,try a glock 26..could be concealed nicely on your pockets.
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Post by allegra on Aug 14, 2007 1:59:07 GMT 8
2 students were stabbed at my night time secret training route But I have my new trusty Fenix tactical light 135 lumens at turbo mode , w/ strobe to disorient any would be attacker naks Bigay ko nalang sa kanya if he promises not to stab me stabbed and robbed ? yeah ...I 'd carry a piece in that trail getting robbed is bad enough but getting stabbed is evil! > stabbed and robbed I believe I dont carry so he can take it all , wag lang my chastity
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 14, 2007 2:08:52 GMT 8
just a reminder peeps...maybe we should ask ourselves first if we are capable of shooting someone if the need arises...play the scenario inside your head...if the answer is no then maybe carrying a gun is not for you...majority maybe, but not all the people will be scared shitless when you point a gun at them.
sometimes people realized that they dont have the nerve to do it a little bit too late.
just my 2 cents.
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Post by radical1962 on Aug 14, 2007 6:26:31 GMT 8
just a reminder peeps...maybe we should ask ourselves first if we are capable of shooting someone if the need arises...play the scenario inside your head...if the answer is no then maybe carrying a gun is not for you...majority maybe, but not all the people will be scared shitless when you point a gun at them. sometimes people realized that they dont have the nerve to do it a little bit too late. just my 2 cents. I agree with Tolits. I have a Glock 26 and I used to shoot competitively but when I thought about it, there was huge difference between shooting at targets and shooting a live person. It's not that easy to KILL somebody. If you hesitate for a second, your gun might be used against you. I thought about it for a long time and decided just to carry a teargas and a whistle in the trails. And also use my most powerful defense ... PRAYER! Pray before you ride and ask for protection. I also carry a rosary. It has worked really well for me.
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Post by arcireyes on Aug 14, 2007 7:46:18 GMT 8
agree with radical on this. offer a short prayer before every ride. i believe its the MOST POWERFUL SELF DEFENSE GADGET in the world
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Post by nell7806 on Aug 14, 2007 9:09:58 GMT 8
the best indeed was what sir arci have mentioned...PRAYERS @ sir radical1962 it is true that shooting at a firing range and hitting a live person are two different things...
but sometimes for poeple, like me who often come from work on a time where most of the people are sleeping and even wosrt being ask to go to work even if the storm would ground the US navy to launch out at sea... all I can say is i rather use my 9... why??? 9's are used and designed for lespu to immobilize only and not for the intention to kill, unless maybe on pointblanks and on parts of the body where it's fatal like the head and on multiple gunshot... if we could remember videos of American policemen shooting on a suspect then afterwards they would handcuff the guy and help him to stand and be escorted to a lespu car to be taken to a hospital... and for civilians...its the allowed handgun to be owned and to be purchased with of course clearances. (just the intensions differ, but still it can be used to preserve life.)
using a .45 is really a different thing, I guess everybody knows the history of the 1911...
and the second why.... because like what others have mentioned... you must try to avoid places that might endanger you... find a safer way... second is to avoid agrression... third is try to walk in groups...
but sometimes... when all the luck in the world seems to be on the other side of the planet... your faced with such danger and all that matters is your presence of mind... this happened to me while on my way home way back 2004... I was riding a motorcycle on the newly opened Blas Ople Diversion road on malolos... when a bunch of F___ing punks hit cut me and while I'm riding the motorbike at around 40Kph more or less... rolling down the side path... I can feel blood gushing out on my forehead... thing is I was scared (won't you???). the large Van returned and I dont know whats their reason... maybe to check on me if i'm still alive... saying it's an accident is a stupid thing because it's betwwen 2 and 3 in the AM no one is there on that road except those cowards in the van whom I think is 3 and me... after checking if I broke any part of my body, I assest the situation, looking for a branch or pipe to arm myself I decided to get my piece, which was left at home... abled to fight and I'm intending to immobilize one of them I pick a stone to use it to one of those @..es but cowards they are they speed up and left me... if I have my piece on that very moment... i might use it to shoot the van's tires to stop them from fleeing, at least I could catch them and walk at the nearest internet cafe where my friends are... I won't shoot them point blank but surely I'll use my gun to give them a good smacking...hehehe
still I practice what I preach... if your goin to arm yourself with something... you must master it and it must be a thing like its a part of you like your breathing... be sure you know how to use it... because sir radical1962 is 100% right, once you hesitated you've just open a very large window of oppurtunity for your oponent.
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 14, 2007 10:30:20 GMT 8
nell7806, im no expert re: guns...but i must disagree with you on this one...there must be some truth to the lack of stopping power of 9mm compared larger caliber ammos but its no way designed just to disable a person...from what i can recall, its the standard ammo for german army since 1900's...even before ww1...it was adopted by other countries because of its apparent advantanges over larger caliber...possibly more accurate, coz of lower recoil etc...plus you can carry more ammo. in a actual life and death situation, i dont believe that thinking of just immobilizing your adversary will do you any good...for untrained people like us, under a very stressful situation, we'll be lucky to hit a moving target the size of a carabao in few yards distance...i honestly believe that its more dangerous than just letting them take your bike or any valuables for that matter and leaving your fate in their hands. imho.
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Post by savers on Aug 14, 2007 11:59:13 GMT 8
whether it is a cal. 22 or cal. 50 pistols you are using, still it is just the proper placement of bullet to the target( perpetrator) will count. in lay man's term " it s not the gun but its the man behind the gun". practice is essential if you're carrying a side arm. imho
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Post by glockbiker on Aug 14, 2007 12:07:44 GMT 8
nell7806Don't underestimate the 9mm Parabellum round. A typical 124gr 9mm FMJ bullet traveling at 1,150ft/sec generates about 364ft/lbs of energy. On the other hand, a typical 230gr 45ACP FMJ bullet travelling at 850fps generates about 369ft/lbs of energy. Years under the Americans have led Pinoys to believe that the 9mm is a puny round. Americans are obssessed with the concept of the "one-shot kill" that is why they prefer the bigger (but slower) bullet of the 45ACP. As LaMok put it, the 9mm round was introduced in the 1900s- 1902 to be exact and officially adopted by the German Army in 1908. That makes it 3 years older than the venerable 45ACP of 1911 that Pinoys adore. The 9mm Parabellum has been the standard pistol round of Western European Armies ever since. And up to today, there has never been a clamor among them to shift to anything else.
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Post by arcireyes on Aug 14, 2007 12:16:55 GMT 8
if i may just add to the discussion. and with due respect to any muslim brothers on board.
i've read somewhere that the 45 cal handgun was invented by the americans to provide better defense for the moro huramentados ("one-shot-kill concept'?)which were giving them a hardtime during their occupation of mindanao sometime during the early 1900's
was that true?
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