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Post by fullspeed on Feb 9, 2006 16:44:45 GMT 8
Mga idols, pardon my ignorance but what is the difference between Downhill and Freeride? Which trails in the Phils can be classified as downhill and which ones are freeride? Or is it just the bikes? Before there was even "black diamond" right? Thanks in advance
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Post by MASTERneilsvhongqui on Feb 9, 2006 18:24:48 GMT 8
downhill is more concentrated about racing downhill. the bikes are long travel but still fairly light. freeride bikes are heavier compared to other downhill bikes because they have beefier parts and heavier frames, the goemetry between the both are also different. the front ends of dh bikes tend to be more raked for stability on fast speed tracks, while freeride bikes are less raked and have higher bottom brackets for more technical stuff. also, freeride bikes are built for big drops and jumps, while dh bikes are for going fast and keeping your bike in control.
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Post by the D. on Feb 9, 2006 23:05:55 GMT 8
In regards with the trail, theres no specific trail available locally. Just be creative, pick a line for fast DH track or choose a natural obstacles to throw yourself at for freeriding.
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Feb 9, 2006 23:45:16 GMT 8
i cant say how a trail becomes a freeride trail???well maybe trails are more on the dh side, on the other hand i think a freeride trail would be more like the redbull rampage site...freeriding and downhill racing/riding are very much diff, the idea of dh is more on the speed,and freering is more on sending your bike off cliffs...
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Post by Poseur on Feb 10, 2006 2:11:58 GMT 8
if the trail is full of structures then it's definitely NOT DH. Like everyone said... it's mostly about getting to the bottom as fast as u can possible do.... in one piece. ;D
there's even a whole debate about wearing skin suits.
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Post by quiesledaddy on Feb 10, 2006 2:20:07 GMT 8
M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G
If we have have good health care at insurance. maybe our country is the best in asia
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Post by dayuhan on Feb 10, 2006 9:05:34 GMT 8
The distinction between DH and FR has always been a little hazy, and a lot depends on who you ask. For me, DH is more speed-focused, while FR is more about technical skill. FR certainly involves drops, but also a lot of low-speed balance and agility work, sometimes bordering on trials-style stuff.
Just one more take on a question with no consensus answer!
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Post by fullspeed on Feb 10, 2006 9:35:19 GMT 8
Thanks for the replies guys! One reason I asked is because the website of my bike (Jamis xlt) says it can also be used in a "little freeriding" .. but never mentioned dh. Not that I have the skill (or guts) to try either one. Just want to be educated
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Post by Poseur on Feb 10, 2006 9:59:25 GMT 8
it just basically means your frame is a little tougher than a full on XC frame. kinda like an all-mtn.
freeride as a name may be all marketing but the geometries are defintely not. there's a definite difference between a FR and a DH frame. u have to give it a name... or else what would we call it? when you are selling a product, everything about selling it is marketing.
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Post by rob on Feb 10, 2006 10:28:21 GMT 8
Ei Fullspeed, agree ako with quisledaddy, it's all marketing to me. but in terms of riding, DH and Freeride are more of riding styles, than trails. you can ride same trails and ride it as DH or Freeride depends on the liners you will be choosing. Perfect example would be Redbull Rampage (www.redbullrampage.com). This is a extreme downhill course turned into a freeride event. so which is better and more extreme, DH or Freeride? beats me...
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Post by alien_scream on Feb 10, 2006 10:45:05 GMT 8
i thought FREERIDE means you are free to ride where ever you want!!!! hehehehehe!!!!
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Post by the D. on Feb 10, 2006 11:26:15 GMT 8
true, anything that is beyond the norm is freeridin' but nowadays freeridin' evolve into a more extreme type of ridin' such example are the north shore type of ridin' crankworx and slopestyle.
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Post by Poseur on Feb 10, 2006 12:24:13 GMT 8
RedBull in Utah is not a DH course... and will never be.
Can u ride a trail full of structures 10' in the air w/ teeters and skinnies DH style? Different. It's like saying XC is the same as DH just depends on which line u take.
correct me if i'm wrong but i think the term freeriding started 'coz of the Shore. Rocky Mtn bikes was somewhat involved in that i think.
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Post by the D. on Feb 10, 2006 12:49:12 GMT 8
yes, with the godfathers Simmons, schley and other vetaran riders from the shore
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Post by mikel on Feb 10, 2006 14:59:33 GMT 8
freeriding is more on expression of the rider. without the inhibition with his/her skills/guts and equipment used.
DH well, it's a race. you have to go down as fast as you can.
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Post by >rocketman> on Feb 10, 2006 16:46:44 GMT 8
freeriding to me is riding with your buddies, hitting obstacles along the trail, or in urban setting, at your own pace, no time pressure here, its all having fun. you can use your xc, bmx, hardtail, full susp. you can freeride anywhere.
dh race may race course, start finish line, pababa, with obstacles, tech sections, drops, gaps, meron clock time pressure. objective is to finish the course in the least amount of time.
extreme freeride stunt riding, north shore, redbull rampage, crankworks more on style, tricks, stunt, mostly mga dedicated pro free riders, for film, NWD or contest,
here sa pinas, No freeride contest pa,
ala pang reported na pinoy nag push ng bike sa bangin 40 footer ang taas.
witness ko pa lang 15 footer huck to flat ni redneb (buddy benavides retired na) sira yung bike.
meron backflip sa bmx mga locals.
dh race, dj, 4x, bmx race contest lang, organized by local bike clubs.
Cedric gracia can do both race and freeride all around rider.
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 10, 2006 17:02:47 GMT 8
medyo clear na sa akin yung DH but freeride is still a little vague... ever there will be a freeride contest how are you going to conduct the judging...parang sa bmx? execution? difficulty of trick? is urban a type of freeriding?
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Post by >rocketman> on Feb 10, 2006 17:22:27 GMT 8
Sir tolits urban riding with stunts, is freeriding, nag bunny hop nag drop, rumampa, nag huck etc. sa bangketa, sa stairs, sa curbs, sa humps, ramps etc.
yung pasyal ride dehins.
same sa motocross meron race meron din freestyle fmx points more sa execution, dificulty ng stunts
yung redbull dito sa pinas basketball hehehehhee.
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Post by Blister T on Feb 10, 2006 17:54:58 GMT 8
freeride is basically doing anything, no limits w ur bike, may it be as simple as urban rides to highly technical ala redbull rampage ride. the image of Downhill for me is strictly related to racing, done on a race course and timed. Freeride is basically what we do here every weekends when we ride tagaytay, rizal, etc. it may be done on any surface, maski na pure downhill trails like B10 in tagaytay can be considered freeride since you're not racing with anyone and simply going as fast as your balls allow and riding within what you think you can do. i
in the business side of it, its all about marketing... products built for Downhill are the ones that are tough, stiff yet light... Freeride products are those that are strong, stiff period. lets take for example Shimano's line... Some Pro Downhillers use XTR for downhill racing simply because they are light, Shimano markets the Saint for Freeride on the other hand, which is stiff but a bit on the heavy side... Same with other companies like Raceface, Truvativ, etc. We can see the same thing on bike frames... Santacruz has the Bullit and VPFree for Freeride while the V10 is the Downhill frame... Same with forks, Marz has FR forks segregated from DH forks.
this post is too long now...
just my 200 cents
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Post by elokahn on Feb 10, 2006 19:05:23 GMT 8
FREERIDE- riding free. DOWNHILL- riding fast.
both points downwards. ;D
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Post by anji on Feb 12, 2006 8:37:00 GMT 8
freeride is basically doing anything, no limits w ur bike, may it be as simple as urban rides to highly technical ala redbull rampage ride. the image of Downhill for me is strictly related to racing, done on a race course and timed. rite on brad ... Red Bull Rampage 2004 - Kyle Strait when i saw the movie clips for these jumps i was awed. these guys takes jumping to a different level, never imagined that u can jump your bike on clifss up to maybe 30 to 40 feet and still land ok. hats off to d pipol at PinoyMTBiker who are jumpin bikes like there's no tomorrow ... these guys are livin on d edge
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Post by elokahn on Feb 12, 2006 20:06:01 GMT 8
yep, try jumping 30ft on you're feet and most probably may kalalagyan ka... ;D
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Post by budbender on Feb 20, 2006 5:26:18 GMT 8
hello PinoyMTBiker im back...nyehheehehhehehe now to fix this issue.................. Downhill riding is going at the speed of "omg im gonna die" the technicallity of it is just go friggin fast until u black out from the speed or uneventfully hit n crash n get mangled up. Time n speed is essential for this kind of riding. Freeride is "Evolution" it is Downhill pushed to the boundaries of big air and massive physical injuries...lolx ;D Freeride doesnt go like 75-90kmh its slowed down to a speed where control, finesse, execution, skill and total disregard for one's safety is the key to clearing every trail or sumtimes even w out a trail ....... Freeride ......ride n feel free......... B10 is a playground for crybabies altho its a good example........goin fast on that trail is kinda fun specially with the narrow paths n tricky switchbacks but the rock garden is ummmmm............elementary...... ;D just huck your front end till it cant compress no more then pray u get to the tube.......thats all......lolx but in freeride terms B10 is hella good ........... its fun...kinda relaxes the mind after u get thru tube #2....... ;D baler pa rin ako!.....ultimate rampage region of luzon! A trail is a trail none can be classified as anything.......its how u ride is what defines the trail.....just keep it fun and safe......... ;D rocketman di ba yung sa maarat 30+ ata yun? di ko na maalala ........5 tries ata ako lolx..........cleared 1......im ok i was in recovery....ahem im not retired.........im comin back!
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Post by >rocketman> on Feb 20, 2006 16:57:43 GMT 8
Nice to hear that the legend will return hehehe.
B10 again, always want to ride behind you and see your cornering techniques sa siko ng trail, your drifts and "cutties" hehehehe
Yes aside sa FORT where you killed you dh frame.
sa SAN MATEO, 5 times you huck that steep part of the race course (fast din kami), 30 ft to flat
where pro racers pre jump it ikaw HUCK lupit/ Crazy.
balik race na buddy DH is big in 06! Allow ka na ba doctors mo? finish na ba rehab mo?
SAN mig light PRO TOUR sa san mateo this saturday na, pedaling flat course sa otherside of divine mercy race track,
baguio leg I heard again inside camp john hay, PINE TREES roots rocks. steep trails slippery when wet course
ORMOC terry larazabal bike fest end march.
then cebu leg na san mig light pro tour.
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Post by alien_scream on Feb 20, 2006 17:12:47 GMT 8
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Feb 20, 2006 17:16:55 GMT 8
nice research alien scream complete!!!!
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Post by Poseur on Feb 20, 2006 18:51:10 GMT 8
long time no hear (and here) Budbender!
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Post by PT on Feb 20, 2006 19:05:28 GMT 8
dude,which part was that?? never saw a 30 foot drop there ..
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Post by budbender on Feb 20, 2006 21:15:18 GMT 8
actually the reason why no one noticed a drop there cuz no one was crazy enuf to try it as a drop......... ;D Normally they just drop nose-in at the transition then roll down to the next ramp below.............. The kick and rush or hucking n bending at 30 ft is quite nice. i mean the whole 33yrs of my life flashed by right even b4 i landed........it was quite addictive tho thats why i did it 5x LOLZ................ ;D ;D ;D ;D anyways..............thats old history...time to break another record for 06.............. im pretty shaken up still with my last crash tho........(100cc ATV 20foot cliff dive...lolerz).....ill be ok in a month .... ill see u peeps saturday....... Downhill = has rules and requires a lot of discipline.. Freeride= No rules, just push the boundaries farther, dnt get killed and keep your ride fun. ;D
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Post by the D. on Feb 21, 2006 0:25:21 GMT 8
dude,which part was that?? never saw a 30 foot drop there .. buddy is talking about the drop at the other side of the road. i've seen him nailed that drop at the TRIXX dh fun run 2 in dec 2004
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