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Post by nairda on Oct 21, 2005 16:17:05 GMT 8
I don't like cigarettes. I too respect people who go out of their way to smoke somewhere else knowing that most people appreciate clean air but do they really have to do it in the mountains?
I really find it idiotic that eventhough their are tons and tons of study stating that smoking is unhealthy, smokers still smoke. It's either they don't believe the studies or they are ignoring them. Heck, even the cigarettes packs have warnings in them. I don't accept the @#$% that they smoke to make them relax, you could achieve the same result by reading a book (or biking perhaps).
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Post by whoopi on Oct 24, 2005 10:09:46 GMT 8
*aray ko*
i guess it's because smoking doesn't kill immediately, if it does eh wala na magso-smoke. same with drinking alcohol or getting stressed or eating unhealthy food--they don't kill you right away kaya people still get into them. and ehrm, not everyone feels relaxed reading a book. some people get a headache doing that ;D
i'm not making excuses! there is no excuse for smoking! it's baaaddd!
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Post by allegra on Oct 24, 2005 12:04:38 GMT 8
We're all gonna die anyway
My aunt died of lung cancer , dehins naman siya nag smoke
I dont smoke , but if lungs could take it , I'll probably be smoking again
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Post by whoopi on Oct 24, 2005 14:07:54 GMT 8
thanks for the comforting thought, Fafalen ;D
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Post by coolangot ☺ on Oct 24, 2005 17:33:47 GMT 8
from www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_096.htmlDear Cecil: We all know smoking cigarettes can kill you, but it seems to me that, as with most vices, there's a difference between use and abuse. People who drink too much destroy their livers, but people who have one drink of red wine per day actually help their hearts. I'll gladly accept the fact that smoking several packs a day is harmful, but what about having only three cigarettes a day, one after every meal? Does it really do any harm? Is there any chance it's actually good for you? --Michael Dare, Hollywood, California Dear Michael: Well . . . I hesitate to mention this. But after years of research saying that smoking was the worst threat to public health since the plague, several recent studies suggest it may have at least one health benefit: it prevents or at least slows the onset of Alzheimer's disease. For obvious reasons these reports have been accompanied by a certain amount of embarrassed hemming and hawing. From a big-picture standpoint smoking is definitely bad for you, and nobody wants to give people an excuse to do more of it. Still, facts are facts. I quote: "A statistically significant inverse association between smoking and Alzheimer's disease was observed at all levels of analysis, with a trend towards decreasing risk with increasing consumption" (International Journal of Epidemiology, 1991). "The risk of Alzheimer's disease decreased with increasing daily number of cigarettes smoked before onset of disease. . . . In six families in which the disease was apparently inherited . . . the mean age of onset was 4.17 years later in smoking patients than in non-smoking patients from the same family" (British Medical Journal, June 22, 1991). "Although more data are needed . . . [an analysis of 19 studies suggests] nicotine protects against AD" (Neuroepidemiology, 1994). Nicotine injections significantly improved certain types of mental functioning in Alzheimer's patients (Psychopharmacology, 1992). One theory: nicotine improves the responsiveness of Alzheimer's patients to acetylcholine, an important brain chemical. |
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 24, 2005 18:08:14 GMT 8
that's a one cool research material cool...could you do me a favor? please do a research on coffee and lets see what are the goods and the bads it can do to us...lets see the tons and tons of study...i'm trying to quit smoking...but i noticed that im starting to drink more coffee...hell almost everyone drinks coffee...this might be our chance to save ourselves. oh btw, i heard over the radio the breathing metro manila air is really bad...very unhealthy...aven worse is biking in the streets...maninigas daw mga ugat mo  .. i might try to quit biking and breathing too and read books instead.. :-) |
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Post by whoopi on Oct 24, 2005 19:12:44 GMT 8
i hate bikers who smokes. no offense but y ru smokin 4? i'm sorry  i'll try to be as far away as possible from you if i need to smoke during rides. anyway i thought i explained the reason above ;D hey COOL, i didn't know that! i guess as long as you don't poison other people with your cigarette smoke it's your business how you want to kill yourself, no? i mean ME, not you. heheh. TOLITS, according to a Figaro brochure i just read (totally unbiased i'm sure), coffee is good for cleansing your colon and preventing colon cancer. i was also told by a colon cancer patient once that when they do an enema(?) on you--that procedure where they pump liquid up your a** to cleanse your intestines or something--they use a mixture with coffee in it. i don't know if that's correct though... |
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Post by whoopi on Oct 24, 2005 19:23:26 GMT 8
i might try to quit biking and breathing too and read books instead.. :-) it's bad for you too. i just saw the movie "Luther" and after he read the New Testament he started getting all these dangerous ideas and infecting people with them. lots and lots of people died. he's dead now too. so don't read books either. ;D |
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Post by marcs on Oct 24, 2005 19:27:51 GMT 8
Ika nga sa Beauty and the Beast ;D Gaston: Lafou I'm afraid I've been thinking . . . Lafou: a dangerous pastime . . . Gaston: I know . . . i might try to quit biking and breathing too and read books instead.. :-) it's bad for you too. i just saw the movie "Luther" and after he read the New Testament he started getting all these dangerous ideas and infecting people with them. lots and lots of people died. he's dead now too. so don't read books either. ;D |
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Post by whoopi on Oct 24, 2005 19:30:25 GMT 8
LOL ;D ;D ;D
we should all just lie still and stop breathing. but then agan i just saw this OTHER movie "Doom" and what you thought were dead people still came back to life to tear apart the living people's throats. ;D
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Post by jr on Oct 24, 2005 21:33:07 GMT 8
My dad used to smoked and always sent me to light his cigarette when I was younger, sometimes taking a few puff before giving it back to him. I even tried a roll of tobacco (used to planted and harvested them) but not on me. I always keep on spitting and taste was really bad.
Just want to share my cousin past away last month for lung cancer. He was 59 years old. He used to smoked when he was younger.
But again it depends to a person.
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Post by weekendrider on Oct 24, 2005 22:10:19 GMT 8
For those who might have plenty of money to burn for cigarettes, urs truly is accepting donation toward a purchase of a new bike. hehehe. Honestly, just think of the advantages and disadvantages of smoking. Also think of the effect of second hand smoke it will cause to your family, to your young little angel. Have you seen the suffering of a person with lung cancer on the last two years of their life. The pollution in MetroManila is already bad, why make it worse by smoking. Smoking is so easy to get addictive and so hard to stop. For those who didn't start yet, don't. For those who are hook, there's a will within you that can stop it.
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Post by coolangot ☺ on Oct 24, 2005 23:08:42 GMT 8
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Post by minotaur on Oct 24, 2005 23:27:06 GMT 8
The human body is very unpredictable... Different people have different physiologic responses although in general it is the same. Some heal faster than others, some are more susceptible to cancer or other diseases and some are more resilient.
For example: (1)My Grandmother, smoked since in her early teens(Tobacco) and lived a full 97 years. (2)My 2nd cousin, smoked for only 10 years and was detected with lung cancer at the age of 29. Died two years later. (3)A friend, does not smoke nor drink alcohol and exercises regularly. Died of Dengue at the age of 30. (4) Me, I used to smoke(12 years) but still drinks beer or wine. I've survived a kidney disease(glumerulonephritis) at early childhood and dengue in my teens.
Smoking is just one factor. What most of the medical research is saying in general is... If you can remove smoking from your lifestyle, you have removed a huge disease or risk causing factor. And of all the harmful agents that we inhale, tobacco smoking is easiest to control or curb.
Cool,
Nice info on smoking and Alzheimer's disease. I wonder if they have correlated this with the risk of having lung disease. Because if you look at its like choosing between Alzheimer's or Lung cancer... Either way you loose.
I think the emphasis was more on the pharmacological importance of nicotine in delaying Alzheimer's disease. After all it can be manufactures synthetically.
just my two cents.
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Post by coolangot ☺ on Oct 25, 2005 0:35:19 GMT 8
hey COOL, i didn't know that! i guess as long as you don't poison other people with your cigarette smoke it's your business how you want to kill yourself, no? i mean ME, not you. heheh. heh heh heh... I remember a similar thread by Polpan ata .. I think It was locked or deleted na.. how you like to commit suidice ata yun.. heh heh heh... pinoymtbiker.proboards7.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&n=1&thread=1103687294back to Topic I'm no smoker.. but as I said I smoke tobacco to annoy smokers ;D, I'm just playing the role of the devil's advocate.. heh heh heh |
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 25, 2005 9:42:50 GMT 8
...and then the fuhrer killed his own non-smoking people by waging war against other nations...amazing! c'mon guys..theres no excuse smoking is bad...and thats the truth...but wouldnt it be better if we approach this matter with genuine concern to the health of smokers and others aside from your own sometimes too narrow focus on achieving personal physical perfection.."yikes! kadiri smoker"...c'mon we're not animals here.  i dont hate anyone...but if i should choose to hate anyone..they would be the people who are sooo d**n self righteous...regard themselves so high..so so so high towering over you that when talk to them you could only see a-s-s-holes ;D ;D ;D guy's dont mind me..there are still traces of smoke inside my head...one day they will be gone. whoopi thanks for the info on coffee...am gonna fix myself one right now...peace! understanding and care to everyone. |
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Post by boyok on Nov 1, 2005 10:59:13 GMT 8
i dont hate anyone...but if i should choose to hate anyone..they would be the people who are sooo d**n self righteous...regard themselves so high..so so so high towering over you that when talk to them you could only see a-s-s-holes ;D ;D ;D ... peace! understanding and care to everyone. Amen to that. I know I chose the right FaFaFans club ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by BrusKO on Dec 7, 2006 14:48:20 GMT 8
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Post by whoopi on Dec 7, 2006 17:20:36 GMT 8
wow.... but why does cig smoke contain polonium-210? must be something in the chemicals. so if they could remove that chemical...
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Post by joes on Dec 7, 2006 17:56:10 GMT 8
most already know the dangers of smoking yet continue to do so. myself included.
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Post by gadgets88 on Dec 15, 2006 9:17:11 GMT 8
GBBrionne -- you dont go to the beerhouse "that often" hahahaha! specified ah. Going to beerhouses is a basic necessity, I guess. So not going "too often" is already a show of discipline! Bravo, mate! |
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Post by gadgets88 on Dec 15, 2006 9:30:28 GMT 8
The human body is very unpredictable... Different people have different physiologic responses although in general it is the same. Some heal faster than others, some are more susceptible to cancer or other diseases and some are more resilient. Thank you for the nice explanation! Please do not judge people and ask: "How come that non-smoker lived a short 50 years compared to the smoker who lived to be 100?" To which my answer to that would be: "The reason the non-smoker lived a short 50 years is because he made every effort to survive that long. Without which he might have lasted only 30. And to the smoker who lived to be 100? Well... some people are not workaholics, do not posses IQ higher than 110, do not exert effort to excel in Math, Foreign languages, Sports and what have yous... some people do not show self-discipline in any way! All they do is drink, smoke, and party all night. And they get to live to be 100, have lots of businesses and dough, and know how to parteh! That's life! ;D Therefore: Smoking does not mean short life. Hard work does not mean more money. Life just isn't FAIR that way, don't you agree? |
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Post by gadgets88 on Dec 15, 2006 9:33:38 GMT 8
most already know the dangers of smoking yet continue to do so. myself included. That means you're EDUCATED... but not completely ENLIGHTENED. 2 different words! |
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Post by Ben Dover on Dec 15, 2006 9:42:17 GMT 8
wow.... but why does cig smoke contain polonium-210? must be something in the chemicals. so if they could remove that chemical... probably most smokers are former KGB spies. ;D |
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Post by gadgets88 on Dec 15, 2006 10:15:00 GMT 8
I don't like cigarettes. I too respect people who go out of their way to smoke somewhere else knowing that most people appreciate clean air but do they really have to do it in the mountains? I really find it idiotic that eventhough their are tons and tons of study stating that smoking is unhealthy, smokers still smoke. It's either they don't believe the studies or they are ignoring them. Heck, even the cigarettes packs have warnings in them. I don't accept the @#$% that they smoke to make them relax, you could achieve the same result by reading a book (or biking perhaps). People unwind in different ways. Sometimes we can't understand other people why they are unlike us (meaning, the non-destructive kind). I think it would be better to explain to smokers why non-smokers dislike them. Aside from the personal inconvenience it causes (I, too, have sinusitis and therefore have to limit my visit to beerhouses to a not-too-often level because of the smokes...  darn), there is one major reason why all smokers must stop IMMEDIATELY! Here goes: SMOKING POLLUTES the Earth! Please think about it... P.S. If you want your nicontine trip, there's always the nicotine injection! Might destroy the atmosphere slower that way. |
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Post by gadgets88 on Dec 15, 2006 10:18:47 GMT 8
We're all gonna die anyway My aunt died of lung cancer , dehins naman siya nag smoke I dont smoke , but if lungs could take it , I'll probably be smoking again You eat, you die. You don't eat, you die. Replace "eat" with "smoke". Heck, what's the point?  ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by whoopi on Dec 15, 2006 10:19:12 GMT 8
you can't be serious.... ;D
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Post by gadgets88 on Dec 15, 2006 10:37:59 GMT 8
i feel i can stop if i want to without problems, i don't know if i'm right because i haven't decided to stop yet. ;D My greatest concern regarding smokes (aside from environmental protection) would be this: You would like to stop smoking because of its bad effect on women's health (research the ill effects of smoking on reproductive system). It is accummulative... daw (rumors). If you haven't any kids and plan to have some in the future, you want your repro system to be in tip top shape, don't you? If you already have kids, I don't think you would like to pollute their environment either. If you're single (and available) please PM me... Just kidding!!! ;D Let's rewind the last sentence...  If you're single, then you don't want to miss out the good guys who happen to be non-smokers, who just might be turned off by smoker's breath! SO there you go.... |
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Post by whoopi on Dec 15, 2006 10:51:00 GMT 8
i repeat: you can't be serious.... ;D
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Post by arcireyes on Dec 15, 2006 10:54:10 GMT 8
;D ;D ;D
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.. i might try to quit biking and breathing too and read books instead.. :-)
i'll try to be as far away as possible from you if i need to smoke during rides. anyway i thought i explained the reason above ;D
darn),
