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Post by Patrick on Jan 5, 2007 0:55:57 GMT 8
The Anthem looks like it works with sag, sag is good because it gives you some grip of the ground when your bike bounces up (negative travel) after a hump in the ground for example. The NRS on the other hand seems to have no sag at all, am I correct Jon? I only rode both for a short time.
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Post by nhan on Jan 5, 2007 12:02:09 GMT 8
Glad to be of help brad! BTW, the washer I installed is a little bit inclined. I suggest you consult with Boyet for him to be able to fabricate this washer for you. Everything for less than a hundred. I already mounted my bottle holder yesterday, as i reverse the position of the rear shock 180 degrees and use the tire pump holder which also function as washer to the bottle cage. Just in a nick of time for the santa rosa ride. Nakatipid din coz i inquire at extreme regarding the giant maestro side entry bottle cage and it cost 750 bucks... very very heavy in my pocket for just a bottle cage. Again Thanks sir Bruce for the info  |
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Post by radical1962 on Jan 12, 2007 12:30:54 GMT 8
Bruce,
To get back to the topic: NRS or Anthem? Which is better?
After the epic NVP-Tagaytay ride, which is really better? You've experienced the Anthem on the road and on the trail for a whole day. You are the most credible guy to answer this question since you have had the experience for both NRS and Anthem on virtually the same set-up, you will tell the truth ...
So which is which? Enlighten us please ...
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 12, 2007 16:10:05 GMT 8
Anthem is better. Not only is it lighter, it also fits me fine (small). I can sway the bike from left to right without hitting the my legs' interior side (maybe it's coz of the sloping design too). The suspension is more forgiving than the NRS. But if you think about it, just decrease the NRS' air pressure and you'll get the same effect- correct me if I'm wrong.
BUT, had I a small NRS, my statement would be different. This is my next project. That is if I don't go back to restoring my Starlet. ;D
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Post by kaloi on Jan 12, 2007 17:58:40 GMT 8
Bruce I like your Starlet!!! Saw it in a link sa shoutbox.. SWEET!!!
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 12, 2007 19:38:43 GMT 8
Thanks! ;D
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Post by bikehunter on Jan 13, 2007 7:15:24 GMT 8
based on the experience i have with the NRS, its good, lightweight but it has a bit of problems with the suspension. you really need to put lots of pressure so that you could remove the bobbing. oh and dont forget to remember that the NRS is almost the same as the FSR.
id go for the anthem since it is the upgraded version of the NSR. its also good for both heavy and light riders. it works almost like the NSR but the bob is more controllable. i just read it in a magazine based on their experience of the writer so im not really sure if the outcome would be the same for you... why not try to test ride both first... then decide on which one you would like to buy
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Post by § Ö L Ø ƒ L ¡ g h † ™ on Jan 13, 2007 12:39:32 GMT 8
NRS ako..... *thinking*
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Post by yukon on Jan 13, 2007 12:46:49 GMT 8
Anthem. Why? Feel ko lang.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 13, 2007 15:58:56 GMT 8
bikehunter, actually, I felt more bobs on my Anthem (weight induced). The NRS is set to NO-SAG so you can just imagine how hard the shocks are. Exactly what kind of bobbing are you talking about? When I pedal lightly on both bikes, around 80-90rpm on smooth terrain, there is bobbing on both bikes. However, this is due do the rider's weight- not the pedalling. If you want to avoid this, stand up while pedalling. I highly doubt that the NRS bobs due to pedalling. I never felt that.
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Post by radical1962 on Jan 13, 2007 18:37:09 GMT 8
bikehunter, actually, I felt more bobs on my Anthem (weight induced). The NRS is set to NO-SAG so you can just imagine how hard the shocks are. Exactly what kind of bobbing are you talking about? When I pedal lightly on both bikes, around 80-90rpm on smooth terrain, there is a bobbing on both bikes. However, this is due do the rider's weight- not the pedalling. If you want to avoid this, stand up while pedalling. I highly doubt that the NRS bobs due to pedalling. I never felt that. I agree with Bruce. I've been riding the NRS since 2002 and it really has NO BOB like what Bruce said. What you are feeling is your weight going down on the seat, that is the design, similar to your tires hitting a rock. But if you put pressure on the pedal it actually locks out to kill any bob. Bikes that don't have a no-bob design actually compress down when you put pressure on the pedal ... this is bob. The only problem with the no-sag NRS design is it has no negative compression. So when it hits a hole, the suspension cannot extend to keep traction just like a hardtail. I've been riding a Trance for more than a year now and just like all the Maestro design it has 25% sag so you really feel it eat up the ruts since it compresses up AND down. Kumakamot talaga sa trail. Hope this helps. |
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Post by Superbad on Jan 14, 2007 23:37:02 GMT 8
bikehunter, actually, I felt more bobs on my Anthem (weight induced). The NRS is set to NO-SAG so you can just imagine how hard the shocks are. Exactly what kind of bobbing are you talking about? When I pedal lightly on both bikes, around 80-90rpm on smooth terrain, there is bobbing on both bikes. However, this is due do the rider's weight- not the pedalling. If you want to avoid this, stand up while pedalling. I highly doubt that the NRS bobs due to pedalling. I never felt that. yes i feel the "bob" too when i ride uphill on concrete. i really don't mind it. its hardly noticeable and its due to my weight and not my pedaling. will i go back to an nrs? no way. |
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 15, 2007 0:52:09 GMT 8
but what's more significant here is the way giant sort of copied the VPP design. The FSR is also a virtual pivot design, a virtual pivot is a moving pivot point along the suspension travel. Why then would an FSR have the rear hub travel in a straight line if the pivot isnt virtual or an imaginary moving pivot location. It is so because it is made up of different links but not one pivot is the actual pivot point. Usually patents are made based on the formula of the curve of the 'virtual pivot'. Im short examples of virtual pivot designs are: FSR, VPP, DW, MAESTRO etc. The VPP uses a misleading marketing wherein it is thought that it is the only virtual pivot design but actually it isnt and they dont own all virtual pivot design, they own one or more but not all. yup, that's correct patrick. i guess i'm just using my filipinoism instincts when i convey my ideas. sort of like using 'xerox' for photocopy or the infamous 'colgate' for toothpaste. its like 'anong colgate mo? close up? ;D to simplify my explanation, i just had to use VPP becoz a lot of folks know what a VPP linkage looks like. you see it on intense and sta cruz frames (and even on others) whose linkages are similar and says VPP outright unlike maestro or DW which isnt popularly used so there wouldn't be any point of comparison of what makes a maestro from another maestro not unless its giant frame. |
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 15, 2007 0:57:02 GMT 8
The Anthem looks like it works with sag, sag is good because it gives you some grip of the ground when your bike bounces up (negative travel) after a hump in the ground for example. The NRS on the other hand seems to have no sag at all, am I correct Jon? I only rode both for a short time. you're right with the sag. but to be honest, i've only ridden on an anthem once which was set to a high pressure. in short, i dont actually know the default setting on anthem but when i tried the anthem with a stiff setting, works like a charm.  . so i guess when i get an anthem, i'll have it set for a stiff setting. kinda like how my R7 is set right now. solid as a rock, hehehe. darn thing wont budge. ;D |
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 15, 2007 1:09:14 GMT 8
bikehunter, actually, I felt more bobs on my Anthem (weight induced). The NRS is set to NO-SAG so you can just imagine how hard the shocks are. Exactly what kind of bobbing are you talking about? When I pedal lightly on both bikes, around 80-90rpm on smooth terrain, there is bobbing on both bikes. However, this is due do the rider's weight- not the pedalling. If you want to avoid this, stand up while pedalling. I highly doubt that the NRS bobs due to pedalling. I never felt that. i guess you need to use a heavier gear is what you mean or, yeah, instead of downshifting, stand up and stay on the same gear. a tight chainline (high torque) ensures a bob-free ride on an NRS but not too tight as to snap a link, hehe. ;D |
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Post by Ben Dover on Jan 15, 2007 16:32:57 GMT 8
i think i'm more confused now...how do you guys define bob? correct me if i'm wrong but i think the suspension action itself is actually a sort of a bob...but its the controlled and desired effect...what we refer to here as a "bob" is the unwanted and uncontrolled up and down movement of the suspension..pogo effect..tama ba?
body weight? is it possible for these modern (nrs & anthem) bikes to "bob" just sitting and cruising on them i.e without pedalling? malaking mali siguro sa adjustment/tuning yun.. i've seen both models on rides..road and off-road...and i'd say they both (few samples,nrs and anthem) bob while pedalling..quarter to half an inch or a bit more.
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Post by snapy on May 30, 2007 21:22:03 GMT 8
ok question ppl... if i buy that bike.. do i need to upgrade its fork din?
suntour xcr lang ung fork e.. is it advisable to upgrade it?
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Post by xctofi on May 30, 2007 21:31:11 GMT 8
ok question ppl... if i buy that bike.. do i need to upgrade its fork din? suntour xcr lang ung fork e.. is it advisable to upgrade it? yes,best upgrade one can have would be getting a better fork. whether HT or FS. costs more as usual.hehehe |
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Post by qt_kat on May 30, 2007 21:35:14 GMT 8
ok question ppl... if i buy that bike.. do i need to upgrade its fork din? suntour xcr lang ung fork e.. is it advisable to upgrade it? well..... i guess. its kinda off to see an expensive frame with a very cheap fork. ;D (well, that's just me) If you feel that the suntour fork is doing its job and you are satisfied with its performance, then by all means dont change your fork. BTW, Im using an Anthem paired with a Reba Team fork. ( I go for looks and performance as well.  ) |
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Post by Alphabolt on May 31, 2007 1:43:15 GMT 8
best thing for us is to borrow your NRS and Anthems..... and see for ourselves pls pls pls Im biased towards the Ellsworth ICT technology though ...having the budget is a different matter though I do it the Russian way...: just do it and find out firsthand DH : best for me are : IronHorse DW link and the Intense linkage AM: Ellsworth XC : now pls tell me ... I go for the "with bob" for pedal stroke relief vs constant torquing |
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Post by Superbad on May 31, 2007 4:01:27 GMT 8
best thing for us is to borrow your NRS and Anthems..... and see for ourselves pls pls pls Im biased towards the Ellsworth ICT technology though ...having the budget is a different matter though I do it the Russian way...: just do it and find out firsthand DH : best for me are : IronHorse DW link and the Intense linkage AM: Ellsworth XC : now pls tell me ... I go for the "with bob" for pedal stroke relief vs constant torquing Arnel, Why go XC when you can go AM? AM is much more fun. |
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Post by snapy on May 31, 2007 9:45:35 GMT 8
follow up question? how about the rear suspension.. is it advisable to change?
and if so.. what shox would u recomend to buy?
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Post by snapy on May 31, 2007 9:49:12 GMT 8
and another this.. is anthem s aluminum or carbon fiber?
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Post by Kevin on May 31, 2007 12:28:06 GMT 8
and another this.. is anthem s aluminum or carbon fiber? The Anthem is available in both aluminum and carbon fiber versions. |
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Post by snapy on Jun 1, 2007 8:01:33 GMT 8
so which is better.. aluminum or carbon?
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Post by Superbad on Jun 1, 2007 8:44:31 GMT 8
so which is better.. aluminum or carbon? if your budget allows it, go for carbon. that's what the pros use. |
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Post by Superbad on Jun 1, 2007 8:48:11 GMT 8
follow up question? how about the rear suspension.. is it advisable to change? and if so.. what shox would u recomend to buy? if you get the carbon fiber version, it comes with the fox-top-of-the-line-i-dont-care-what-its-called-cause-i-just-have-the-lowly-stock-giant-shock. but on a serious note, it would be good to get a better rear shock but the stock one works fine with me. you're better off getting a light wheelset instead of upgrading the rear shock. |
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Post by Alphabolt on Jun 1, 2007 9:55:05 GMT 8
Arnel, Why go XC when you can go AM? AM is much more fun. You really confuse me , Raul.. DH rider in XC skins ! ;D Just trying to do everything ...in ubber moderation midlife crisis i guess ...sorry for OT Borrow your Anthem uphill sometime pls k...so I can relate to this thread...rode an NRS already ..its was firm on the dirt like my FSR tech bike...too firm for me what s the closest tech to Ellsworth's pls? my budget cries for an alternative heheh ;D |
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Post by marcs on Jun 1, 2007 11:35:02 GMT 8
get the Specialized Epic with Brain. case closed. hahahahaha
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Post by Alphabolt on Jun 1, 2007 12:24:22 GMT 8
get the Specialized Epic with Brain. case closed. hahahahaha cheaper alternative to that is the Merida FS with Manitou "ala brain" heheheh P32k vs P85k or so   ooops super OT na ! sowweeee Giant-lovers |
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. so i guess when i get an anthem, i'll have it set for a stiff setting. kinda like how my R7 is set right now. solid as a rock, hehehe. darn thing wont budge. ;D
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