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Post by jr on Dec 8, 2006 2:30:11 GMT 8
hey guys.. whats out that emotions. Points between you two are taken.
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Post by 'Bee' on Dec 8, 2006 6:52:10 GMT 8
I'm selling one of this as a second hand item. Someone from this forum asked me if it would fit a small giant anthem frame. I went to my LBS and tried to mount it. It won't fit. here:   Just do yourself a favor, key in "sigg" in any search engine you feel at home using. And the rest is history! |
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Post by BrusKO on Dec 8, 2006 7:36:16 GMT 8
Hey Clitshitter, you don't even follow the netiquette you're talking about. If I were you, I'd take it easy on my words. Telling someone otherwise and that IT CAN BE DONE is one thing but telling him his alibi is LAME is something else. Don't you get it?
While it's true that no one's sure about the size of the Anthem in your pic, the same holds in your case. How sure are you that the frame's size is what you claim it to be?
You got a lot of nerve posting these attacks man. I'd watch it if I were you.
And oh by the way, you can educate yourself on your English- spelling, grammar, etc ( Although I see you still need this... TOEFL maybe? ha ha ha) but breeding is learned in the early years- and it can't be bought.
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Post by kulot_salot on Dec 8, 2006 7:59:58 GMT 8
i think a 'flask-shaped' water bottle will do the trick.
sorry, tamad ako mag-search today to post a photo.
i haven't seen one in the street or on a bike, for that matter, for more than a decade na...
better ask an old dusty lbs if they have one.
HTH ;D
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Post by radical1962 on Dec 8, 2006 8:07:47 GMT 8
Dude ima just tryin to help out. besides, ones entitled to free speech here... Where I found your alibi lame. well let's put it this way Dude... Convince me you'r exerting some effort. To the rides that you missed bcuz you didn't have hydration (if and only if you were to buy an anthem frame) Oh, my bad! Small anthem, almost forgot about it. Almost but not quite so. FYI that's no large frame. Funny thing here, how would you able to tell its large without any decal saying it is so. You'r ridiculous! LMAO. here: Just do yourself a favor, key in "sigg" in any search engine you feel at home using. And the rest is history! So no need for all caps dude. a li'l netiquette will do. pls? For pete's sake! Alright? All's well that end's well... PS all apologies if you felt i've mangled your ego there dude. and also would like to appologize to everyone for wasting space replying. Just cant help not to. brad, I don't need to convince you ... and I know it's a large. Why? First, you can see from the relative length of the seat tube vs. the seat stays, Second, my cousin is the importer of Giant, Trek, Gary Fisher, Merida, etc. And I have confirmed that there is a real issue with the water bottle which is why we are importing a side entry bottle cage to resolve the issue. Nevertheless, the only bottle that will fit is the small ones only. Again, there is a real hydration problem. It's even stated on the reviews. And I've done my research. Another thing, like what the guys here are saying, we are here to help out and not hit anybody. And just to state another fact, the reasons I've stated are not alibis but are real reasons for me not to jump into the Anthem bandwagon YET. Hydration is not the only reason. I'm still very happy with my NRS. It still brings me to where I want to go with or without hydration. People here in the forum know for a fact that I do not make alibis for anything. Kilala nila ako... ikaw baka dehins pa. |
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Post by xctofi on Dec 8, 2006 8:15:06 GMT 8
The pic is a medium Anthem frame. If I can ask Onie one of these days to take a pic of his medium frame with a water bottle in it then we can compare. Im thinking that since the owner of the bike in the pic is in the US,it might have a different geometry than what we get here. BTW,its impossible for a small Anthem to fit a water bottle more here forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=250439 |
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Post by xctofi on Dec 8, 2006 8:16:47 GMT 8
or maybe Giant has remedied this issue by designing this bottle holder  |
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Post by yukon on Dec 8, 2006 10:32:01 GMT 8
i dunno about bottle designs... presenting the anthem s 2007 wish i have money now to buy this.   |
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Post by nhan on Dec 8, 2006 11:15:02 GMT 8
or maybe Giant has remedied this issue by designing this bottle holder i like the design... giant na giant.... hope i can see one here in our lbs to test for my small anthem frame...  as what sir radical said, this is the only issue i see when i bought the anthem (specially the small frame)  i think anthem LE is the US '07 version (correct me if i'm wrong pls, be very gladly to be corrected) and don't know if its has a difference between late anthem models ('06) that's why the bottle holder fit the frame??? or is it just because of sizes?  don't worry guys, all points are taken... we're here to help and spread the info... lets just be careful with our words that post... most of us don't know each other and will be very easy to cause misunderstandings on this forum..... currently my search is on for the bottle holder... and the bottle as well.... hate to bring hydropack in small trail rides... |
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Post by paolomiguel on Dec 8, 2006 12:57:52 GMT 8
yeah, i think it is a medium... i have the anthem medium u.s. version. i havent tested if it would fit a regular bottle cage though..if a cage would fit on the small anthem,you can only fit a canned beverage. frame geometry practically same with all versions. 06 LE's are australian i think. the only diff in bike geometry is the fork travel.100mm aus vs. 80mm u.s.
Some of us have the weirdest preference for frames that would influence us in buying one..i dont think not buying a frame because a bottle can't fit is lame..
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Post by radical1962 on Dec 8, 2006 21:22:15 GMT 8
or maybe Giant has remedied this issue by designing this bottle holder i like the design... giant na giant.... hope i can see one here in our lbs to test for my small anthem frame... as what sir radical said, this is the only issue i see when i bought the anthem (specially the small frame) i think anthem LE is the US '07 version (correct me if i'm wrong pls, be very gladly to be corrected) and don't know if its has a difference between late anthem models ('06) that's why the bottle holder fit the frame??? or is it just because of sizes? don't worry guys, all points are taken... we're here to help and spread the info... lets just be careful with our words that post... most of us don't know each other and will be very easy to cause misunderstandings on this forum..... currently my search is on for the bottle holder... and the bottle as well.... hate to bring hydropack in small trail rides... Nhan, ask John of Extreme. I know he already ordered the side entry bottle holder. I'm just not sure when it will come in from Taiwan. So when do I see your new ride? |
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Post by Superbad on Dec 9, 2006 19:36:30 GMT 8
i like the design... giant na giant.... hope i can see one here in our lbs to test for my small anthem frame... as what sir radical said, this is the only issue i see when i bought the anthem (specially the small frame) i think anthem LE is the US '07 version (correct me if i'm wrong pls, be very gladly to be corrected) and don't know if its has a difference between late anthem models ('06) that's why the bottle holder fit the frame??? or is it just because of sizes? don't worry guys, all points are taken... we're here to help and spread the info... lets just be careful with our words that post... most of us don't know each other and will be very easy to cause misunderstandings on this forum..... currently my search is on for the bottle holder... and the bottle as well.... hate to bring hydropack in small trail rides... Nhan, ask John of Extreme. I know he already ordered the side entry bottle holder. I'm just not sure when it will come in from Taiwan. So when do I see your new ride? Ohhh... I like this bottle holder! Going back to the topic of this thread, I had an NRS before I upgraded to an Anthem, and all I can say is that I find the Anthem to be really really plush. It makes me enjoy the trail more. As what the people here have said, if you have the extra cash, go for the Anthem. |
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Post by xctofi on Dec 9, 2006 19:41:52 GMT 8
Ohhh... I like this bottle holder! Going back to the topic of this thread, I had an NRS before I upgraded to an Anthem, and all I can say is that I find the Anthem to be really really plush. It makes me enjoy the trail more. As what the people here have said, if you have the extra cash, go for the Anthem. are you able to fit a water bottle on your medium Anthem Raul? please post pics naman if you can for our referrence  |
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Post by Superbad on Dec 9, 2006 19:51:54 GMT 8
Ohhh... I like this bottle holder! Going back to the topic of this thread, I had an NRS before I upgraded to an Anthem, and all I can say is that I find the Anthem to be really really plush. It makes me enjoy the trail more. As what the people here have said, if you have the extra cash, go for the Anthem. are you able to fit a water bottle on your medium Anthem Raul? please post pics naman if you can for our referrence i suck. i always use a hydra pack when i bike. hahahaha |
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Post by Alphabolt on Dec 9, 2006 23:09:00 GMT 8
If Paul aka Freeman buys an Anthem (he did na ba?) ...the bottle cage wont be an issue he doesnt drink water...thinks he s a Tuareg or sumthin I tried not drinking water during my village rides...max 45 minutes lang and Im begging for H2O! peace Paul heheh |
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Post by radical1962 on Dec 10, 2006 5:35:27 GMT 8
If Paul aka Freeman buys an Anthem (he did na ba?) ...the bottle cage wont be an issue he doesnt drink water...thinks he s a Tuareg or sumthin I tried not drinking water during my village rides...max 45 minutes lang and Im begging for H2O! peace Paul heheh I think he is part human, part camel ;D Rode with him in the Reverse Wawa ride and he didn't even carry a bottle with him. Ang lakas talaga. Paul idol ka talaga!!! |
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Post by nhan on Dec 10, 2006 11:22:43 GMT 8
Nhan, ask John of Extreme. I know he already ordered the side entry bottle holder. I'm just not sure when it will come in from Taiwan. So when do I see your new ride? Thanks sir, i'll visit Extreme nowadays... i've been there recently but forgot to ask for the bottle cage... as for my ride, for sure you'll be seeing it always on every ride cause i already dispose my HT and just retain this one.... Thanks sir for the info.. til next ride.. (Pagsanjan?) |
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Post by Dragunov on Dec 11, 2006 12:16:20 GMT 8
Dude ima just tryin to help out. besides, ones entitled to free speech here... Where I found your alibi lame. well let's put it this way Dude... Convince me you'r exerting some effort. To the rides that you missed bcuz you didn't have hydration (if and only if you were to buy an anthem frame) Oh, my bad! Small anthem, almost forgot about it. Almost but not quite so. FYI that's no large frame. Funny thing here, how would you able to tell its large without any decal saying it is so. You'r ridiculous! LMAO. here: Just do yourself a favor, key in "sigg" in any search engine you feel at home using. And the rest is history! So no need for all caps dude. a li'l netiquette will do. pls? For pete's sake! Alright? All's well that end's well... PS all apologies if you felt i've mangled your ego there dude. and also would like to appologize to everyone for wasting space replying. Just cant help not to. why did i get involved here? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 4, 2007 11:13:18 GMT 8
Who says a big water bottle can't fit in a small Anthem???      All you need is a thick washer and you don't even need a side-entry cage for it! Thanks to Boyet for the excellent fabrication of the washer! So Radical, stop making LAME EXCUSES for not getting this frame! bwhahahahahaha Biro lang pards! ;D |
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Post by Ben Dover on Jan 4, 2007 13:03:31 GMT 8
wow new anthem! nice brus...pangmayaman!! |
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Post by radical1962 on Jan 4, 2007 17:29:27 GMT 8
Brusko ...
You really couldn't resist the upgrade!!!
That's a great solution. Now I no longer have an excuse .... EXCEPT ... no budget right now for a new frame and the old NRS is still working well enough (and I just had all the bearings replaced last December) UNLESS someone wants to buy my NRS.....
Ginugulo mo na naman ang buhay ko!!!!!!!
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 4, 2007 18:58:03 GMT 8
Hey man, glad to be of help to your confusion. hehehehe Anyway, the NRS will always be. That's why I'm not giving it up. I plan to have it restored and have all the bushings and bearings replaced. When budget permits, I'll build it up again. As for the Anthem? It's a small size so it could probably accomodate my wife. |
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Post by nhan on Jan 4, 2007 19:53:51 GMT 8
Great strategy there sir bruce i notice that you rotate the position of the rear shock 180 degrees thus placing the rebound adjuster at the bottom, thus giving more space to accomodate ordinary bottles aside from the thicker washer. Will try to do it as well, thanks for the info. |
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 4, 2007 19:59:04 GMT 8
Glad to be of help brad!
BTW, the washer I installed is a little bit inclined. I suggest you consult with Boyet for him to be able to fabricate this washer for you. Everything for less than a hundred.
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Post by radical1962 on Jan 4, 2007 20:35:36 GMT 8
Hey Bruce,
To get back on thread ... which is better? The NRS or the Anthem?!!!
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 4, 2007 20:49:14 GMT 8
Haven't used the Anthem long enough to judge. However, I feel no difference in the suspension. My Anthem is set to hard (competition daw oh!) shock settings, BTW.
But with the Anthem, besides the fact that I lost weight, the small size is just right for me. According to Extreme, there's a pound difference with the small Anthem and the small NRS. I have a medium NRS so you can just imagine how much weight I lost. If my NRS were just a tad bit smaller... hmmm...
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 4, 2007 20:50:15 GMT 8
Pahabol: the NRS looks more macho IMO. ;D
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Post by qt_kat on Jan 4, 2007 21:31:29 GMT 8
Pahabol: the NRS looks more macho IMO. ;D I knew it.... I knew you're a member of the federation!....gay and beautiful,... lovers of Anthem ;D Congratulations on your new rig sistah! |
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 4, 2007 22:38:10 GMT 8
bruce, nice rig. nice color, too. so manly, hehehe. anyways, taking a look at an anthem, my first impression is it really looks like a VPP just by taking a look at the thing that links the bb to the chainstay but in any case, the frame design has good points (if not better) overall when you compare it to an NRS. first thing i've noticed is the tubing. top and bottom tubes aren't round, more like a triangle i guess which i believe is stiffer thus they get to use less of the material to make the tube so the frame gets lighter without sacrificing stiffness. well, anything other than round these days are stiff or light if not both. i guess for some its called hydro formed tubing technology where they manipulate the tubes to make shapes that are light yet stiff. another thing is the geometry. the NRS' rear suspension design will only accomodate seat tubes with 16.5" in length or more unlike with an anthem, a small sized frame has a seat tube which is 16" and can even go extra small. i bet no one has ever seen an extra small giant NRS before becoz giant cant produce any becoz of its suspension design. so what does this mean? anthem frames are more "compact". a sloping top tube reduces weight and to some degree, is better to handle becoz of its low center of gravity. the NRS suspension design is stiff so you need more 'umph' to get the suspension working. reason would be 2 things: takes 4 joints before the shock actually works and when you get to the point where its supposed to work, (2) you have to apply the right 'umph' on it becoz the shock is set to a stiff pressure. its set to a stiff pressure so as not to induce bobbing giving it a hardtail feel. ok, so its somewhat similar to an anthem when it comes to shock pressure. so what's the diff? VPP. looking at an anthem, it looks like a single pivot frame but its not. the link between the bb and the seatstay says a different story (VPP). add to that the link between the shock and the seatstay and what you have is a different frame design altogether. like bongjumper said, its a combination of an FSR and a VPP but what's more significant here is the way giant sort of copied the VPP design. i'd like to get an anthem myself but i dont have the money yet. and besides the NRS is still doing its job. but i guess it'll be "more better" if i use an anthem, hehehe. ;D . congrats to all anthem owners. more power. |
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Post by Patrick on Jan 5, 2007 0:46:51 GMT 8
but what's more significant here is the way giant sort of copied the VPP design. The FSR is also a virtual pivot design, a virtual pivot is a moving pivot point along the suspension travel. Why then would an FSR have the rear hub travel in a straight line if the pivot isnt virtual or an imaginary moving pivot location. It is so because it is made up of different links but not one pivot is the actual pivot point. Usually patents are made based on the formula of the curve of the 'virtual pivot'. Im short examples of virtual pivot designs are: FSR, VPP, DW, MAESTRO etc. The VPP uses a misleading marketing wherein it is thought that it is the only virtual pivot design but actually it isnt and they dont own all virtual pivot design, they own one or more but not all. |
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