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Post by equus on Apr 14, 2008 17:05:30 GMT 8
Good day Masters, newbie here in the biking world. Was wondering if we can have a solid P & P on building yerself a road bike... its true that at the end of the day it will all be about your budget especially if yer a newbie, but maybe there is another way for a person to get the most value for his money...
1. To build or to buy off the rack?
Should a newbie like myself, someone who likes to read but has NO PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER IN ROADBIKING build a bike slowly or am i better off buy a bike off the rack...?
2. Off the rack purchase.. things to consider?
Personally, from a non pro point of view, i consider the following things... budget, how far will the bike take me, color and libog factor... when i pertain to libog factor, this is the feeling that you get when you look at yer bike... does it turn you on? do you feel giddy and excited when you see her? etc... this beiing said, are there any more points to consider?
3. Lets build this baby.. where do we start?
Ive been planning to build a road bike for the past 2 months.. this being said ive been trying to find the best possible way to build it.. asking people.. looking through the internet.. etc etc.. through all of these meanderings, ive come across a couple of things... its always better and safer to buy brand new forks and frames than second hand ones... just for safety issues.. then the drivetrain/gruppo can be bought secondhand but you need to buy from a person that you can trust or you need to know how to inspect...
I surf and with surfing its a lot easier to buy boards than bikes... kasi with boards, you can keep on renting and borrowing boards from different people until you find the one that you'd want to spend a long amount of time of your life with then you go and buy it... hard thing with bikes is that you cant do that... and its sooooooooooooooo easy to make purchase mistakes that you'll have to live with or make you lose money... kakatakot... i know you need a certain amount of money to spend when yer biking but the point in all of this is responsible purchasing... Is there an easier way to find out whats best for you to avoid purchase mistakes?
So, would there be a better way or another way/guidline on how to build your bike?
looking forward to your inputs masters... thanks!
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Post by allegra on Apr 14, 2008 20:56:52 GMT 8
I had this dilemma afew years before when I bought a roadie I decided on assembling the bike than buying off the rack I shopped around for parts, got great discounts, found a frame that was half the price and I still ended up about 30t over my orig budget hehe very easy to get sweet talked into getting high end parts w/c I probably dont need If I were to do it again today , I'd get myself fitted and just buy off the rack Depende siguro sa personality mo If you are particular about yuor equipment and mahilig sa bike projects , then build your own If yur like me , kuripot and sakay lang ng sakay , then buy off the rack  Important tyo get properly fitted moreso on a roadbike |
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2008 21:05:09 GMT 8
what's your budget? there are entry level bikes (P30-50k) that come fully equipped with Shimano Tiagra, 105 or ultegra from brands like Giant, GT, Merida and Trek. it's probably hard to build a bike at a comparable price nowadays, plus you'll get a full warranty from the dealer and distributor for a built bike. for those prices you'll get quality drivetrains and wheelsets, with the only house branded/generic stuff in the cockpit (bars, stem, seatpost, saddle)
go to a shop known for customer service with a fairly large road clientele (off the top of my head- look for Edmund at All Terra, Toots at Life Cycle, Jingo at Cycling Zone) and tell them your budget and needs.
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Post by allegra on Apr 14, 2008 21:13:26 GMT 8
Do they have an off the rack Trek Madone? hehe
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equus
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Post by equus on Apr 14, 2008 23:03:07 GMT 8
sir allegra, yer from UPLB? i might know you... i know some of the tarantados and i used to be from UPLB..  |
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Post by allegra on Apr 15, 2008 6:42:40 GMT 8
Hey , taga Elbi pm , or we might be moderated |
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Post by lockheed on Apr 15, 2008 9:46:43 GMT 8
1st step is to get a bike fit. on road bikes, my personal preference is to go for a more relaxed geometry like the roubaix. on material, its either carbon or steel for me.
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Post by equus on Apr 15, 2008 11:45:04 GMT 8
where does one get a bike fit? any bike shop? what's the best place to try out as much bikes as possible to find the right fit for you?
It's a bit hard especially for a newbie because there is no way for you to find out what you really want until you've had a certain 1000 or so hours on the saddle... Im thinking aluminum frame though... I love the bling blingy types that ooooozes sex appeal when you see it but i completely do not mind value for money..
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Post by xctofi on Apr 15, 2008 12:03:23 GMT 8
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Post by king on Apr 15, 2008 12:51:53 GMT 8
contact toots chua 0918 9222-2124 for a fitting appointment. he charges P1000 using bikefitting.com but you get fits for triathlon/time trial position, road and mountain bikes. it takes out a lot of the guesswork when buying a bike and the cockpit as you'll get the correct lengths for stems, bar width, etc.
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Post by equus on Apr 15, 2008 15:37:01 GMT 8
ahhhhhhhhhhhh... great great.. sounds like a plan. so the process is already as follows:
1. Assuming that you know you want to buy a road bike, figure out what your budget is.
2. given your budget, if its relatively low but continous, recommed you slowly build your bike.
if its ample, recommend that you buy off the rack
3. if one is to build, get yerself bike fitted.
4. .................
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Post by allegra on Apr 15, 2008 17:12:21 GMT 8
Brader , shop around sa Booksale
You'll find Cycling books ni Greg LeMond , or Davis Phinney
They are calssics and very helpful sa newbies
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Post by jrzm on Apr 15, 2008 20:36:52 GMT 8
Try the fit programs of wrenchscience.com or competitivecyclist.com
I used both (with the help of my very patient wife) and got ball park figures as to size of frame and stem length, saddle height, etc.
Still, it will be better to get an actual fit done. I had mine done also thru Toots and his measurements were more precise, albeit quite close to the online programs mentioned above
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Post by lockheed on Apr 16, 2008 10:41:33 GMT 8
ahhhhhhhhhhhh... great great.. sounds like a plan. so the process is already as follows: 1. Assuming that you know you want to buy a road bike, figure out what your budget is. 2. given your budget, if its relatively low but continous, recommed you slowly build your bike. if its ample, recommend that you buy off the rack 3. if one is to build, get yerself bike fitted. 4. ................. imho, regardless of your choice to build a road bike or buy one of the rack, you still have to get a bike fit. your body will thank you on long rides. |
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Post by allegra on Apr 17, 2008 20:30:37 GMT 8
ahhhhhhhhhhhh... great great.. sounds like a plan. so the process is already as follows: 1. Assuming that you know you want to buy a road bike, figure out what your budget is. 2. given your budget, if its relatively low but continous, recommed you slowly build your bike. if its ample, recommend that you buy off the rack 3. if one is to build, get yerself bike fitted. 4. ................. Brad, come back to uplb Mark will soon have a new shop Find a bike , fitting pati training all for free ng ex National Duathlon coach Daym ang lakas pumedal ng mamang yun |
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Post by equus on Apr 17, 2008 21:59:04 GMT 8
mark hu?
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Post by allegra on Apr 17, 2008 23:19:14 GMT 8
Si Candelaria , one of the pioneers ng Trantados
haha we're really old
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Post by equus on Apr 21, 2008 12:39:43 GMT 8
ahhh... k. you know sina ian? dennis? dante? pinky? yung magpipinsan?
btw, found a nice bike shop to build my road bike from... decided on some basic components... will use an ultegra group... hehehehehe.. so far thats been my decision so far... checking out some frames pa pero of course will have myself measured before i decide on a frame.
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Post by marcs on Apr 21, 2008 20:52:39 GMT 8
personally, I think building your own bike only comes out cheaper if
1.) you were buying most of the parts 2nd hand
2.) you already have most of the parts lying around
otherwise, a fully built bike is usually a good deal. i mean, this bike companies obviously get a bulk discount for the components they put in their bikes. if you calculate for the cost of the parts in most bikes, you'd see that most build bikes that cost 30-40k would probably cost 50-60k if you build it yourself with all bnew parts.
here are a couple of built bikes i've looked at that looks like value for money
Merida Race lineup. They have an Ultegra loaded bike for about 45k-50k. hell, that's like getting the frame free.
Fuji Roubaix - 40k for a frame with carbon fork AND seatstays, 105 shifters, tektro brakes, ultegra RD. most frames with carbon seatstays well for 30k already.
Now, if only I can find a size 58 . . . . sigh
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Post by Makoy on Apr 21, 2008 23:22:38 GMT 8
and if only 59-60cm frames were readily availiable  i started from a used road bike from erwin of anonas, all i was after was the 58cm frame for 25k it was not bad esp for the frame size that rarely came by. just changed the 9spd 105 to 10 spd and a couple of doodads if id fit on a 54 frame id still get a built bike like the GT GTR which is on the mid 30k range loaded with 105 gruppo |
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Post by empoylucas on Apr 21, 2008 23:49:27 GMT 8
Why not consider Ave Maldea's frames. He can make a custom fit frame for only P7k up. That's if you consider CrMo steel.
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Post by Makoy on Apr 22, 2008 7:37:28 GMT 8
Why not consider Ave Maldea's frames. He can make a custom fit frame for only P7k up. That's if you consider CrMo steel. my friend just got a quote from ave, but it's 11k |
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Post by equus on Apr 22, 2008 18:58:16 GMT 8
well building your own bike will NEVER come out cheaper... but you can build it slower... im a hobbysit by nature so i wannt to take the slow approach, buy the parts, use the extensive knowledge here to build it here, myself... then if i f**k it up, then go to the bike shop to have it properly done... hehehehehehe... extra gastos pero at least dehins biglaan at natuwa ka... also kasi you really get what you want and you didnt settle for something since nandyan na... The "libog" factor comes in and whenever you look at yer bike, you look at it with pride... |
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Post by Makoy on Apr 22, 2008 20:07:49 GMT 8
thanks tofi.
that will keep me busy for a couple of weeks
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Post by Makoy on Apr 23, 2008 11:55:11 GMT 8
tofi, you're God's gift to women and men hehehe here's the frame i "stole" from Xtofi   didnt know it had at standard sized headtube, luckily i have a standard fork in spare... thanks again...parts procurement will resume after lunch |
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Post by Makoy on May 5, 2008 22:52:18 GMT 8
almost done...  thanks tofi, again now back to slave mode |
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Post by equus on May 6, 2008 13:53:12 GMT 8
gorgeous...
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Post by allegra on May 6, 2008 20:41:27 GMT 8
We need to sked a PinoyMTBiker road ride |
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Post by Taba® on May 7, 2008 7:11:29 GMT 8
We need to sked a PinoyMTBiker road ride When? I hope it will be while I am here in the Phils. Sama me... |
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Post by allegra on May 7, 2008 8:00:07 GMT 8
tour de laguna de bay? sta rosa- nasugbu? hehe halata I'm from the south |
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