"SELF-DEFENSE GADGETS"

[gadgets88]

allegra said:

It's sounds mayabang pakinggan but you have to consider before it even reaches that situation , I will be doing my best to deescalate using my irresistable charm

I would just like to second the motion Allegra's suggestion.
Do you best to avoid/deescalate/make a major altercation into a minor one into oblivion.

Training physical and mental conditioning to fight does not mean you use what you learn in the dojo for putting up a fight.
Quite the opposite is true.

For those who are really listening to what your Sensei is saying.
The highest form of Martial Arts is being smart and alert enough to foresee and avoid trouble at all times!
In fact, the secret of earning your degrees in black belt is in showing integrity, by being selfless, sacrificing, helpful and loyal.
Some good fighters can't understand why they're not getting promoted
inspite of the level of skill they have achieved in fighting and the number of wins in tournaments.


An nth degree blackbelt guru was once put in a fight with 3 streetpunks (who had knives).
When they found the guru dead, his fingers and toes were cut-off.
Sure the 3 punks were black and blue, but the guru died from the ordeal, regardless of his martial arts skills.

The moral of the story is that fighting on the streets is different from fighting in the dojo.
When faced with armed opponents, one does not rely on his arms alone like what JetLee does in the movies.
He looks for weapons, he tries to escape and call for help.

We would not have lost a (sense) teacher if not for the incident of pride (of all the parties involved).

If we are all humble in our attitude, then there would be less fighting.

Sometimes, robbery is not the reason for mugging.

Sometimes, people are just plain envious of what others have achieved in life, that they rather erase that person's existence than improve their own.

And that is the problem with "CRABS" (alimango).


Btw, the word is irresistible, Allegra baby. Lesson in English 101.
You used the word "deescalate" correctly in the sentence.
Very good!



I'll say it a million times:

The best self-defense gadgets are your feet.
Move away from trouble if you can.
Say SORRY.
Be courteous and generous to a fault.

If put to a corner fight back, make sure he won't be able to stand up again once you put him down.
I mean permanently as in RIP.
Like Tolits said, you can get legal counsel later, what matters is that you stay alive and get home.

[arcireyes]

does anybody still use "sayo-na-tsi" these days. was d*rn famous form of self defense (gadget) during my teenage years ;D

[donfacundo]

@sirarci
never heard of that... is it the age gap? ahihihihi... peace!

[allegra]

Speaking of sayonachi , if someone threatened me w/ a gun, I'm gonna run
A lot of people unfamiliar w/ guns would be too scared to move kasi they been conditioned by movies to think that it's is so easy to hit w/ a gun
It takes a highly trained person ( or a very lucky one ) to be able to hit a moving target even as something large as a person
But If does manage to hit you , keep moving coz he's probably really pi$$ed by now
Thats a big IF I see the chance to run

[arcireyes]

i was waiting that somebody race up the age gap issue ;D

SAYO-NA-TSI

is an ancient art of self defense perfected in the ghettoes (or squatter areas, if you wish) of Manila, where when faced with a life and death situation, you take your slipper off, position yourself into an aggressive running stance and when the aggressor is nearing you, run as fast as you can shouting ' SAYO NA TSInelas" ko ;D

corny 'no

oh what a gloomy day can do to corrupt people's mind

donfacundo said:

@sirarci
never heard of that... is it the age gap? ahihihihi... peace!

[knobbyist]

arcireyes said:

SAYO-NA-TSI

is an ancient art of self defense perfected in the ghettoes (or squatter areas, if you wish) of Manila, where when faced with a life and death situation, you take your slipper off, position yourself into an aggressive running stance and when the aggressor is nearing you, run as fast as you can shouting ' SAYO NA TSInelas" ko ;D

Hahahahaha! cool yun ah... i mean thats cool man. didn't know that as well. ;D ;D ;D

im gonna start perfecting my SAYO-NA-TSI technique from now on. hehehe!
even changed the personal text under my avatar. ;D ;D ;D

[donfacundo]

@ sir arci
ahahahaha... you just made my day! ahahahaha... been raining here in SG. cant go out to stroll by orchard to go to the showrooms of trek, specialized and giant... will be just here in the forum to learn some oldies but goodies humor... peace!

[arcireyes]

knobbyist/donfacundo:

btw my practicioner friend just texted me that some moves can be perfected via tai chi exercise.didn't care to ask him what, as it may corrupt my present moves , ;D

and be sure to avoid using those 1K petot slipper types, as it makes the practice of the discipline expensive (if you know what i mean)

[jd00]

Well as the saying goes "its part of life"....

[gadgets88]

arcireyes said:

i was waiting that somebody race up the age gap issue ;D

SAYO-NA-TSI

... is a discipline more than 30 years old, Tito Arci! ;D

Make a fighting stance with one foot forward.
Front foot steps back leaving slipper.
The other foot steps back leaving slipper.
About face and run like hell and shout: "Sayo-na-tsiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!"

OT information:
You can buy slippers at the sides of Quiapo church.
Different baskets (bilao) full of different designs.
I used to buy 5 pairs for P100. That's P20 each.
For all occasions. For all seasons (Pang pamily, pang isports pa.)

[oceanrider88]

I wouldn't even bike there if that's the case. Why risk it?

[gadgets88]

If one can evade the hotspot then it is prudent to do so.

But take for example the time when I was in FEU,
and everyday, we hear students getting robbed (or hurt) from mugs in Morayta.
EVERY SINGLE DAY!

There was even one incident where a female student (aspiring to be an artist) was held up at around 7a.m. at Morayta corner Espana.
She recounted that when she gave her cellphone, the guy still thrusted the knife at her.
She grabbed the knife and the guy twisted the hunting knife and mangled her 2 fingers in the process.

I still can't understand why local thieves do not follow the protocol of going for the money but not hurt anybody.
Definitely no finesse points.



I was once a victim when I was too early, around 6a.m.
My class starts at 7:15.
People usually starts rolling in only by 7 and the whole street was deserted.

I made a mistake of holding my cellphone up (a dying 3210 probably worth P2K if they traded it for a new 1), to turn it on.
3 kids (in their teens probably) came up from behind, from where I don't know.

One kid made a sort of sleeper hold on me, strangling me.
My immediate reaction was to forcibly remove the arm away and I did!

The next thing I knew I was lying on the floor (he must have thrown me down or maybe I slipped).
Then I realized that each of my hands were being held by each kid.
When I realized it was probably the cellphone they wanted,
I shouted: SAYO NA! SAYO NA! and let go of my cellphone.

Then they disappeared.
I stood up and tried to shake away the birds circling around my head.
Then I realized fingers from both my hands were bleeding.
The 2 guys must have plunged their knives in my fingers in their excitement.
Good thing I still counted 10 after the ordeal.

I took my hankie out to wipe the blood and the first thought that came to mind was:

1. Life isn't fair.
Why are these teenagers forced to do that kind of thing for a living?

2. Life isn't like the discipline inside the dojo.
If each kid tried to take me out in the ring one by one,
I would have welcomed them with open arms! ;D

[savers]

policemen were always blamed whenever a felony has occurred, but law enforcement is only one of the pillars of our criminal justice system, there's the prosecution, court, correction and the community. if only the community will do its part, like reporting crimes and criminals, filing complaints whenever become a victim of a crime and prosecute the offender, till final judgement.
for instance, a student was a victim of cellphone snatching and the perpetrator was caught , then after recovering the stolen item the victim did not pursue the case, so what will the lespu will do??? release the snatcher

so lets do our part.... thanks

[gadgets88]

There must be something wrong with the system.



If the victim does not pursue the case, the perpetrator is set free.
On the other hand, if somebody gets killed and no relative sues, the case is closed.

What happened to Republic of the Philippines vs. criminals?



What if, the family of the perpetrator calls up the victim and threatened his family if he pursued the case (already filed in the fiscal's office)?

The attorney advice the victim that if did not pursue the case, it could backfire.

What to do?


Either way, the perpetrator will go free (bec we fun-loving individuals and religious one at that, unlike Japan or China, who send their criminals to the hanger or firing squad without the media frenzy).





Sometimes a gun is a nice way of just showing the whole world what one is capable of.


Can one sue a threatening caller?
The plot thickens.


P.S. What's a nice model (self-defense gadget) that's light and fits snugly in the waist?

[knobbyist]

gadgets88 said:

What happened to Republic of the Philippines vs. criminals?

Is there such a thing as this in the Philippines?

Can't the authorities take over the prosecution once the case has been filed?

[savers]

yes there is, but in reality it doesnt practice

[dayuhan]

The state can pursue a case, but without the testimony of a witness - usually the victim - it's close to impossible to get a conviction.

Re guns... I've been shooting all my life, but I wouldn't carry on the street. Always thought guns get more people into trouble than out of it. First, if people know you carry, you become a target: someone's likely to pop you just to get the gun, and you won't know who it is or when it's coming. Second, a lot of people get careless, even arrogant, when they carry, and they walk into stuff they could have avoided.

The best self-defense gadget is what they call "situational awareness" - knowing what's going on around you. If you're walking in a potentially risky place, walk fast and with purpose. Don't pass near places of concealment, stay well in the open. If it's night and there's no traffic, walk in the street. If someone approaches you, start running. If you get a bad vibe from a situation, don't wait to see what's up, put some distance between you and the situation.

Holdup guys are looking for an easy grab. If you look complicated or make it difficult, they'll usually go for someone else.

Of course, it's good not to carry anything too valuable. A friend of mine carries a spare wallet with some Indonesian 1000 rupiah notes in it. Says if he's pressured he'll throw it at the guy and run. The bills look like 1000 peso notes at first glance, and they're worth about P5... always wanted to get one and keep it folded up, with the number showing, for traffic situations!

[knobbyist]

dayuhan said:

Of course, it's good not to carry anything too valuable. A friend of mine carries a spare wallet with some Indonesian 1000 rupiah notes in it. Says if he's pressured he'll throw it at the guy and run. The bills look like 1000 peso notes at first glance, and they're worth about P5... always wanted to get one and keep it folded up, with the number showing, for traffic situations!

Thats good information. thanks man. im gonna look for some, maybe money changers around the metro have them.

[allegra]

dayuhan said:

The state can pursue a case, but without the testimony of a witness - usually the victim - it's close to impossible to get a conviction.

Re guns... I've been shooting all my life, but I wouldn't carry on the street. Always thought guns get more people into trouble than out of it. First, if people know you carry, you become a target: someone's likely to pop you just to get the gun, and you won't know who it is or when it's coming. Second, a lot of people get careless, even arrogant, when they carry, and they walk into stuff they could have avoided.

The probems you have mentioned can be avoided by proper training
The same way that black belt martial artists dont bully people around , proper training in guns instills discipline and safe gunhandling
Plus , even if you do carry , you really shouldnt let anyone else know you are

My opinion on allowing people to carry is I'd want people to pass a certain skill test before being givern a Permit to Carry

[dayuhan]

All true... thing is, though, a lot of people don't bother to get that training. To get a black belt you put in years of training; if you don't have discipline you don't get it. All it takes to get a gun is cash; discipline is not necessarily required. Totally agree that nobody should carry a weapon if they don't have the skills to use it effectively.

[nell7806]

@ sir dayuhan still sir there are case to case basis that still happens and probably we could consider...
on my case, before when I was still travelling mostly from south luzon to the north doing business, I used to carry a simple piece where I intentionally seperate the mag from the piece and it is located in two different compartments of my bag, but there are also times that i have to keep it in safe mode because there are some place that lots of people won't venture but on my case, it's the only route available...
if someone who's carrying a gun who has a temper as hot as hell, or if he is easily being pissed and he doesn't know anything about gun handling well he might draw it and do the sad thing...
this what seperates the "real" from the "wanna be's"...keeping your cool

and your really right sir, most of the people here in the country use money to have and secure things like, drivers license etc...worst is even gunshops would even offer you that they will take care of the papers for you to even have a PTC...on my case I will not bother to have or undergo such exams because bypassing such may endanger your very own family, just imagine those people who bought guns from the blackmarket, a high percentage of them end up as statistics to the growing number of gun related case of someone going nuts shooting his own child due to lets say problems with-in the family or even blaiming poverty for sometimes... a person who has the capacity to think and who has the right mind won't do such thing a guy with a cracked nut-shell would.
Where Just like in driving...a person who attended a driving school (or studied with a drivers book/manual) would know what to do like when/why flash your headlights as a sign to another driver in front of him. this is same for a person who attended formally a gun school.
in reality, a licensed gun actually could even teach and remind us to be more carefull because the license itself is a contract that we are holding which is also a proof of our worthyness to keep such deadly instrument.

just want to share my opinion...

[allegra]

Just curious , does anyone really carry during rides?
where do you guys carry it? sa jersey?

The last time I brought one along was long ago during a reverse hidden valley explo ride
I brought a 9mm but didnt bring any water
2 hrs into the ride I wanted to shoot myself

I just dont find it effective on the bike, especially when it's inside the hyd pack
If you've got time to spot danger , then you got time to quickly ride away

Parang I keep on repeating myself ulyanin na nga yata

[anshwa]

When I was there, I used to. I put it in a fanny pack. The beauty of the fanny pack is that you could wear it w/ the compartment in front of you or behind you.

[savers]

i am using a belt bag from final option worth 550

[elsdee]

Let's keep it cool guys. We're all level headed individuals. Best is to survey the place b4 we ride n it's better if we ride with a group or a guide who real knows the place.

[glockbiker]

I think a small belt bag is the way to go.

I've seen one that is opened by merely grabbing and ripping the front of the main compartment down to expose the gun holstered inside. The front is actually held in place by Velcro all around.

I think the grab and rip design is practical especially if you are wearing full fingered bike gloves.

Me, I prefer the smallest one that would carry a .38 S&W Chiefs Special.

[Ben Dover]

i'm currently studying an old art of self defense and offense...someone wronged you, you take a beetle...whisper the secret spell to it..then it will home in on the target...its the ultimate fire and forget system...unmatched even by the latest in the US arsenal...silent and deadly, totally untraceable. ;D

[Taba®]

tolits said:

i'm currently studying an old art of self defense and offense...someone wronged you, you take a beetle...whisper the secret chant to it..then it will home in on the target...its the ultimate fire and forget system...unmatched even by the latest in the US arsenal...silent and deadly, totally untraceable.

Is this also a part of the ORDER? ;D ;D ;D Oh I miss that beetle...I'm sorry, I am still confused... ;D

BTW a gun must not be placed at your back pack and Savers and glockbiker are correct, it should be easy to draw the gun in case of emergency. "Discipline" though is still the keyword.

[Ben Dover]

nope jessie, its totally indigenous weapon to counter the pending domination of the yellow ninjas. ;D

btw, i was thinking of a proper thing to say when confronted by man with a gun and you have no way out..."iputok mo!" "no please dont kill me, please, i have 2 small kids!", "hey, before you pull the trigger, let me tell you a joke.....", "is that a real gun?", "matapang ka lang kasi may hawak ka, put it down then we'll see!"

any inputs?

[omel]

allegra said:

Just curious , does anyone really carry during rides?
where do you guys carry it? sa jersey?

The last time I brought one along was long ago during a reverse hidden valley explo ride
I brought a 9mm but didnt bring any water
2 hrs into the ride I wanted to shoot myself

I just dont find it effective on the bike, especially when it's inside the hyd pack
If you've got time to spot danger , then you got time to quickly ride away

Parang I keep on repeating myself ulyanin na nga yata

when i was just a newbie rider in batangas i used to carry (9mm lang so its lighter) and my "mantra" was " better to carry one and not need it, than needing one and not having it". , brought it in a belt back , probably like what savers is using now. you dont notice the weight at the start of the ride but as the day progresses the added weight around the waist begins to be obvious. so after some rides ( and a lot of sore "balakang" ) decided not to bring one along. mantra changed to " violence begets violence" and "theres safety in numbers" ;D ;Dhehehe