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Post by allegra on Oct 3, 2007 22:39:50 GMT 8
lespu have arrested the suspect in the killing of two persons following a traffic altercation in Pasig City past 2 p.m. Tuesday, ABS-CBN News reported.
Senior Superintendent Francisco Uyami, city lespu chief, said lawyer Manuel Hernandez Jr. was arrested shortly after the incident at the entrance gate of Barangay San Antonio Village on Shaw Boulevard.
Uyami said the suspect was collared at his home.
lespu named Hernandez suspect in the fatal shooting of Egadrdo Canizares and Katherine Palmero.
Witnesses told lespu that the incident took place around 2 p.m. when Canizares's Nissan Cefiro (XSA 205) nearly ran into Hernandez's Toyota car (UEP 547) that was about to leave the village near the corner of Shaw Boulevard.
Following the near-accident, Canizares alighted from his car and hurled invectives at Hernandez.
The suspect initially ignored Canizares and drove on. Canizares, however, kicked the suspect's car and forced him to draw a pistol and open fire.
Witnesses said after shooting Canizares four time, the suspect vented his ire on Palmero.
Authorities took the victims to The Medical City hospital. They died while undergoing treatment.
The assailant, meanwhile, escaped on board his car toward Pioneer Street. With reports from Sol Aragones and Ricky Velasco, DZMM
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Post by knobbyist on Oct 3, 2007 23:33:57 GMT 8
yeah saw this in the news earlier tonight. it was really tragic. the sad part was the young woman, Palmero got killed as well (nadamay pa)... tsk tsk. yes to the guys who commutes with their bikes and to every rider, just practice patience and humility when your out in the streets. there are a lot of crazies out there.
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 4, 2007 12:06:31 GMT 8
this pasig cityhall lawyer hernandez is f@$#d...there's a gun ban and there's no gun registered under his name...another rolito go..life yan.
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Post by anthrax76 on Oct 4, 2007 12:45:15 GMT 8
i was talking to my sis-in-law last night regarding this. the fact that he just killed two people with an incident like that should be more than enough to put him in jail. then slap the unlicensed firearm case.
i'm just thinking, applicants for the lespu force and security guards go through psycho tests to gauge their inclination to violence (i think) because they bear arms. should we also do that to civilians who wish to purchase firearms?
it was already discussed here in the forums. egos go big and temper is quick when you know you have firepower at your disposal.
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Post by yukon on Oct 4, 2007 19:35:06 GMT 8
Ed (formerly of PLDT) and Kat are good friends of a close friend. To update you, the lawyer Manuel upon his arrest immediately requested for a drug test. I think he plans to enter the plea that he was high on drugs and not on his right being when he shot Kat and Ed. I'm no lawyer but I heard that his sentence could be lighter coz of this plea. What irritates me was when he was being shown in TV he was smirking as if he didnt take 2 lives in a matter of seconds. Ed and Kat work for TIM...Kat just arrived from Singapore was en route to PhilHealth when they chanced upon this lawyer from Pasig City Hall. Wouldn't it be nice for Atty. Manuel to meet some of the guys he'd sent to jail in Pasig Jail...sorta reunion w/o the jailguards watching. Lesson here is to keep your cool...this goes for me, too. His picture  very witty, he invoked his constitutional rights in refusing to undergo a paraffin test to determine if he had fired a gun recently. |
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Post by allegra on Oct 4, 2007 20:33:24 GMT 8
i was talking to my sis-in-law last night regarding this. the fact that he just killed two people with an incident like that should be more than enough to put him in jail. then slap the unlicensed firearm case. i'm just thinking, applicants for the lespu force and security guards go through psycho tests to gauge their inclination to violence (i think) because they bear arms. should we also do that to civilians who wish to purchase firearms? it was already discussed here in the forums. egos go big and temper is quick when you know you have firepower at your disposal. There's a neuro psychiatric test before yu may be licnsed He wasnt licensed |
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Post by allegra on Oct 4, 2007 20:39:04 GMT 8
I feel very sorry for their families but I cant say I wont do the same if I was in hernadez position
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 4, 2007 20:55:37 GMT 8
i say if a man can shoot an unarmed young beautiful lady of 27 who might be scared shitless already upon witnessing his companion got shot, i say there's something wrong with that guy's head.
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Post by jr on Oct 5, 2007 0:41:05 GMT 8
Wow..if the guy wont go to jail for long time. Something wrong with the judicial system. If thats the case, the other family become an outlaw: Dont kill him - kill the persons very close to him. Let him feel the sorrow.
I seen this a lot growing up. When the family loss a member and didnt press any charges, you better hide your family because the revenge is coming. This usually happen with family who had money that can manipulate the judicial system. Specially if the victims are poor.
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Post by wcoastbo on Oct 5, 2007 2:26:18 GMT 8
what! the suspect can get a lighter sentence if he's high on drugs?! shouldn't he get additional time for being under the influence in the first place? two bads don't make his action better. that's a sorry defense and a jury should understand that. what kind of person is more worried about getting more/less jail time when he just gunned down two people. has he no remorse for his actions? where are his values? I guess this type of moral decay can happen in the civilized world when one's attitude becomes so elitist and corrupted by money/influence, that the life of another is worth so little. what a sad commentary on life. this same type of attitude is prevalent in the materialistic US, I expected different in the Phils. I guess it's a human shortcoming to value life so little, not cultural upbringing. I guess a dent in his car is worth the taking of two lives  . let's hope the judicial system sees otherwise. |
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Post by wcoastbo on Oct 5, 2007 2:48:17 GMT 8
i say if a man can shoot an unarmed young beautiful lady of 27 who might be scared shitless already upon witnessing his companion got shot, i say there's something wrong with that guy's head. yes, i agree the circumstances are much different. the first victim deserved a beating or large fine (a kick for a kick maybe, not a shooting). the second victim was truly innocent. what if there was a child in the back seat? a third shooting victim perhaps? his gray matter is definitely scrambled. I hope he can come to the realization that he killed two people over slightly damaged material possession... somehow i doubt it. Everytime I think humankind is becoming more enlightened, an incident such as this comes to light. Is it even possible for our species to progress? I always thought so, but occasionally we seem to regress. |
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Post by yukon on Oct 5, 2007 7:45:14 GMT 8
 the victims Ed, by the way, celebrated his bday last Monday...killed Tuesday. Killer Manuel Hernandez Jr. of the Pasig City Hall Legal Department is also a nephew of Sandiganbayan Justice Jose Hernandez. Love to see Justice system work here in RP where money can silence the witnesses. |
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Post by anthrax76 on Oct 5, 2007 9:55:19 GMT 8
allegra, i was just thinking that even before getting a license, the firearm buyer should undergo examination already  then again....you can get a gun in the blackmarket. @bo, sad to say, i don't think we have a jury here, it's just 2 lawyers and a judge.
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Post by allegra on Oct 5, 2007 12:54:45 GMT 8
allegra, i was just thinking that even before getting a license, the firearm buyer should undergo examination already then again....you can get a gun in the blackmarket. @bo, sad to say, i don't think we have a jury here, it's just 2 lawyers and a judge. Yup he does You have neuro -psychiatric tsts , drug tests , barangay,court, lespu clearance , BIR cert etc to submit upon application for a license |
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Post by sabretooth on Oct 5, 2007 13:51:44 GMT 8
now that all well-meaning citizens are outraged by his actions, i'd suggest that this lawyer/killer be set free!
justice will be served in a few minutes...in a platter, with his head on it.
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Post by wcoastbo on Oct 6, 2007 17:56:01 GMT 8
allegra, i was just thinking that even before getting a license, the firearm buyer should undergo examination already then again....you can get a gun in the blackmarket. @bo, sad to say, i don't think we have a jury here, it's just 2 lawyers and a judge. 1 person has the final say?! Not even a panel of judges for a murder case where another lawyer is involved and theres lots of conflict of interest? Too easy to influence a single person. I say show the people all evidence and let vigilante justice take its course. I'd rather be put in front of a jury of PinoyMTBiker members than any single judge. |
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Post by yukon on Oct 6, 2007 18:24:48 GMT 8
here's an update...Atty. hernandez is now out on bail the case was downgraded to double homicide for the price of 80kPHP. Something's wrong with RP justice system  |
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Post by allegra on Oct 6, 2007 21:27:15 GMT 8
Homicide is bailable , murder is not
Since the shooting wasnt premeditated or planned , it was downgraded from murder to homicde
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Post by bikedaddy on Oct 6, 2007 23:31:23 GMT 8
I also believe that it was homicide. However, being a double homicide should have been taken into consideration. Let him rot in jail even before his arraignment.
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Post by baboinsky on Oct 7, 2007 0:13:40 GMT 8
Homicide is bailable , murder is not Since the shooting wasnt premeditated or planned , it was downgraded from murder to homicde I have a question about this murder vs homicide thingy. If the guy fired 6 rounds towards an unarmed person/s, isn't it clear that his intention was to kill? I'm confused... |
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Post by allegra on Oct 7, 2007 8:26:49 GMT 8
Homicide is bailable , murder is not Since the shooting wasnt premeditated or planned , it was downgraded from murder to homicde I have a question about this murder vs homicide thingy. If the guy fired 6 rounds towards an unarmed person/s, isn't it clear that his intention was to kill? I'm confused... Of course , but it wasnt planned Murder is if he was following him around then ambushed him Homicide kasi parang spur of the moment/act of anger I"m not a lawyer ha , dont shoot anyone yet  But I have some friends din who shot someone in a fight and are also out on bail. Bali wala lang . Waiting for the other guy ma iniip then make areglo |
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 7, 2007 12:09:30 GMT 8
Homicide is bailable , murder is not Since the shooting wasnt premeditated or planned , it was downgraded from murder to homicde I have a question about this murder vs homicide thingy. If the guy fired 6 rounds towards an unarmed person/s, isn't it clear that his intention was to kill? I'm confused... p.a. i guess you have a good reason to..am not sure though but i believe rolito go and that gonzalez guy who killed a pregnant woman and shot two others in loyola memorial are now serving jail terms for murder...am no lawyer either but just because you dont know the guy or have not met him before when killed you him, it will not qualify as murder...i believe, the manner of killing, situation and other things should be considered. |
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Post by whoopi on Oct 8, 2007 12:32:19 GMT 8
murder is premeditated.
the killer of julia campbell, the peace corps volunteer who was murdered while hiking solo in batad last summer, had his charge downgraded to homicide, because all of julia's belongings were found with her. ergo daw, the killer did not premeditate on robbing and killing her.
this one could be a murder if after the argument, and after the victim kicked the killer's car, some time elapsed when the killer then followed the victims and then shot them.
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Post by allegra on Oct 8, 2007 21:12:24 GMT 8
I think they'll try to make areglo
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Post by Alphabolt on Oct 8, 2007 22:50:36 GMT 8
so what would you do when you re in a dark hallway with a gun in your hand and this Hernandez person across the hallway? it kinda puts a twist on how you mete out justice doesnt it? But put me + gun in a room with a child rapist ...and that perp will have holes on his body shhhhhh May I ask what the relationship was between Mr. Canizares and Ms. Palermo ? there appears to be a major age gap looking at the pictures. A secondary matter but relevant IMHO |
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Post by oceanrider88 on Oct 12, 2007 11:12:16 GMT 8
Bravo Canizares! What a show off! He got himself killed and his innocent friend. He probably wanted to impress the younger Palermo by kicking Hernandez's door to show her his macho image despite his balding forehead. To think that Canizares was the one who ran into Hernandez - yabang talga!
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Post by yukon on Oct 12, 2007 12:58:04 GMT 8
May I ask what the relationship was between Mr. Canizares and Ms. Palermo ? there appears to be a major age gap looking at the pictures. A secondary matter but relevant IMHO Hi Arnel Kate and Ed are good friends working for the IT industry. Ed works with TIM and Kate a subsidiary of the said company. The reason they were together was they were both enroute to PhilHealth to take care of something. rich I dont think Ed (an ex officemate) didnt deserve to be shot by a gun wielding lawyer (who's out on bail) despite his arrogance. I guess nanilim paninggin ni Atty. and to pump 4 bullets and 2 on Kate is maybe the last thing he should have done. |
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Post by oceanrider88 on Oct 12, 2007 15:03:19 GMT 8
Sorry for your friend sir yukon. He didnt deserve to be shot I agree.
Pero, yabang niya kasi sir eh. Ed should not have tried to take an ego advantage of the geeky looking lawyer. He should have let him go. Ed's fault anyway. Poor Kat. Nadamay pa tuloy siya.
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Post by yukon on Oct 12, 2007 18:07:39 GMT 8
not my friend rich (exPLDT guy) but a friend of mine is good friends of both Kate and Ed. Lawyer is still out on bail in case he goes back to jail hope he shares the same cell as Rolito Go maybe they could publish a book bout entering one way streets and shooting those who have right of way.
Lets see how justice will work this time.
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Post by edp773 on Oct 20, 2007 3:29:50 GMT 8
i say if a man can shoot an unarmed young beautiful lady of 27 who might be scared shitless already upon witnessing his companion got shot, i say there's something wrong with that guy's head. He's a lawyer. There should be no question that there is something wrong with his head and ethics. I have yet to see the Robin Hood of lawyers. My condolances to the victimns. |
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. let's hope the judicial system sees otherwise.
then again....you can get a gun in the blackmarket.
