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Post by maxbuwaya on May 3, 2006 15:43:50 GMT 8
 The epitome of a nations success. Rugged spacious powerful (No maintenance needed) The Philippine Jeepney We cant deny it. Its part of our culture. Jeepney is been with us after WWII. It might be true that our ingenuity(Now how do you spell that|? hehehe)had help us recover after the war. But Its been Decades and still Jeepney still remain the same. We Still have no National Car. other neighboring countries have their own car. Indonesia Had one. Malaysia is coming back with proton vietnam seems to be doing in car manufacturing. Whats in a jeep anyway? Crowded. The last passenger should sit only one of his or her butt cheek. Barbaric Drivers. As another driver in the street I must say that 80% of jeepneys does not respect trafficc signs. If your in an open intersection and your on the redside and a jeep is beside you. theres a 90% chance that it would ignore the sign. Some even are disrespectful to their passenger and to trafficc enforcers. Pollution. Jeepneys has got to be the most neglected piece of equipment in this counrty. There are rules alright but nobodyseems to care. Road worthy. At night maybe only 2 out of 10 has the proper or required light for safety. Of course Cheap fare or is it? at P7.50 for the first 5 kilometer?I dont think so. Symbol of National Pride? I dont know seems to me that its a symbol of lawlessness I just pass by this Tourist shop and saw this little toy jeepneys that they are selling. And I wondered. Is Jeepney really something to be proud of as of this time? Ok so i made this bec. everytime I bike commute jeepneys would cut me off like am not in existence |
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Post by Ben Dover on May 3, 2006 15:59:17 GMT 8
where else can you find a public transportation vehicle with always one seat available?...again...always one seat available!!...nasira ulo ng mga german engineers dyan pards.  |
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Post by bikeman on May 3, 2006 16:32:33 GMT 8
the malaguenas of today are the saraos long time ago w/ additional lights that have no use at all and the mirrors oddly placed above the head of passengers.
jeepneys have not evolved since then. is it a manifestation of our "pwede pa yan" mentality?
few years ago i saw an indian government ad about deepwell engine improvised with improvised body like that of s steel cart, people were having a blast of a ride as if it was a great breakthrough in transporation. i will not be surprised if in a few years from now they will have their own car brand.
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Post by marcs on May 3, 2006 17:10:53 GMT 8
but we have to understand how a jeepney driver makes money, and that is by boundary system. esentially he has to meet a quota for the day, and anything beyond that (minus diesel cost) is his take home pay. so given that situation, siyempre a driver will do whatever it takes to always have a lot of passengers, unload them at their destination as soon as possible, and pick up passengers again.
if you don't change the reward system, don't expect any change in the behavior. that's a basic HR concept.
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Post by Ben Dover on May 3, 2006 17:11:02 GMT 8
hmm...i thought the famous maruti is indian.
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Post by quiesledaddy on May 3, 2006 17:29:28 GMT 8
if only those thing don't pollute as much.........
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Post by Rotten on May 3, 2006 17:58:38 GMT 8
jeepney drivers mga hardcore hehehehe they wouldn't think twice to stop at the middle of the road just to pick up a passenger smoke belcher pa
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Post by rob on May 3, 2006 18:07:30 GMT 8
Jeeps... what can i say... world war two vehicles turned public transpo?
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Post by janix on May 3, 2006 18:23:01 GMT 8
i think it's something we have to be proud of, it has become a symbol of Philippine public transportation.
it's not the jeepney we should hate, they're innocent. they're only driven by careless drivers, and operators who do not care about the environment.
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Post by allegra on May 3, 2006 19:19:14 GMT 8
you never know how much you'll miss the jeepney until you go abroad
Sa visayas , parang tricycles have been replaced by the multi cab
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Post by woofers on May 3, 2006 20:11:55 GMT 8
i think it's something we have to be proud of, it has become a symbol of Philippine public transportation. Just because something is "uniquely Filipino" doesn't mean we should be proud of it. Much less a vehicle that is ugly, dirty, unsafe, and inefficient.  |
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 3, 2006 20:18:25 GMT 8
Len, sure dont miss em ;D Thing should now belong to the museum  Been riding that thing since... probably even when i get backed from here. But its still unsafe, most driven by uncaring drivers, ridden by some passengers who wants to get off wherever its convenient for them. Exciting specially if your lucky enough to be sitted infront of a babe which made the 1hr morning trip worthwhile. Then will suffer a near fatal heart attack in few minutes since the driver decided to wait at every kanto or for some people who're crossing the street even if they're not flagged down My morning commutes starts from RFC Las Pinas to Madrigal Business Park in Ayala Alabang.... on a normal day its 30mins but if driven by Boy Kada-kanto-hintay it'll be 1:15 hr. With frayed nerve as I bundy up the clock at the ofc. |
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Post by stormloader on May 3, 2006 20:42:08 GMT 8
jeepneys have not evolved since then. is it a manifestation of our "pwede pa yan" mentality?few years ago i saw an indian government ad about deepwell engine improvised with improvised body like that of s steel cart, people were having a blast of a ride as if it was a great breakthrough in transporation. i will not be surprised if in a few years from now they will have their own car brand. Am inclined to say it is. the writer roby alampay wrote an interesting piece about the jeepney in a similar context in Flip magazine (anybody remember this?) a few years back - arguing why we we are extolling this friggin' contraption at all. (twas around the time when someone apparently called the originator of Sarao jeepney a "genius") Its creators never dreamed to improve or elevate it beyond its current sorry form that's why! Airconditioned jeepneys? please...  |
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Post by janix on May 3, 2006 20:54:24 GMT 8
few years ago i saw an indian government ad about deepwell engine improvised with improvised body like that of s steel cart, people were having a blast of a ride as if it was a great breakthrough in transporation. i will not be surprised if in a few years from now they will have their own car brand. what do you mean by indian government? if you're talking about India, they already have cars. Though it is not that famous here in SEA, in the middle east it's very famous. its....... Tata. In Qatar and in other middle east countries, buses and trucks of Tata are famous. Tata vehicles have been around since 1945. |
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Post by Patrick on May 3, 2006 21:25:42 GMT 8
Jeepneys must be phased out. Its like a dinosaur just like the bayo was phased out in favor of rice mills etc.
Jeepneys are not a symbol of ingenuity but the opposite, its only a product of ingenuity of that time (after WWII).
Government must promote "cleaner" mode of transportation, IE LNG powered buses, electric powered trains (electricity from geothermal and other renewable sources or diesel even <-less total emission than jeepneys)
BTW jeepneys are far safer than FX in terms of momentum (heavy, can ram an SUV) and parts (overkill in strength IE truck parts) hehe.
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 3, 2006 21:57:41 GMT 8
well not to drift out of the topic..better check again about Indian car manufaturer.... linkBajaj Auto Daewoo Motors Eicher Motors Ford General Motors Hero Honda Hero Motors Hindustan Motors Hyundai Ind Auto Ltd. Kinetic Engineering LML Mahindra Maruti Udyog Ltd. Royal Enfield Telco TVS Suzuki Swaraj Mazda Ltd. Volvo DC Designs This are the listed manufacturers I stumbled on...do we have the same number? Do we have the same number? |
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Post by rob on May 3, 2006 22:04:14 GMT 8
talk about going into details. hehe
peace warlock!
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Post by janix on May 3, 2006 22:04:38 GMT 8
butch: is that for me? hehehe... i don't know about the others, but i'm very familiar with Tata. www.tata.com There's so much more hidden about India, not enough publicity though. back to topic: i wouldn't say jeepneys have not evolved. their designs evolved, their passenger capacities evolved, even their airconditioning system evolved. but not much evolution on its machines i think...
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 3, 2006 22:09:33 GMT 8
nope brad its just for the post about the injins will have their own cars someday... ;D yeah rob guess I overdid that.  going back to the topic. "ma, daan ba to ng festival?"butch: is that for me? hehehe... i don't know about the others, but i'm very familiar with Tata. www.tata.com There's so much more hidden about India, not enough publicity though. |
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Post by rob on May 3, 2006 22:19:30 GMT 8
perfectly alright bossing... It's just that i hope they enforce smoke belching on PUJ's as much as they do when it comes to private vehicles. Imagine going uphill and puffing your way slowly - then this jeep suddenly gives you a carbon monoxide hit. Plus most of them drivers don't have the courtesy to pull over in proper places (not blocking the road) before taking in pasengers. Which is another source of traffic idiotic drivers. when I was younger (sometimes i still do... oops) whenever jeeps would stop in front of me while driving I would howler (before speeding up hehe) ...SANA GINITNA MO PA, nakadaan pa ko eh... (wish you'd block the road some more, i'm still able to pass) then i usually speed off before I get hit by a lead pipe ---- VRoooooom! hehe Seriously - I also vote for MUSEUM! |
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Post by coolangot ☺ on May 3, 2006 22:46:59 GMT 8
Our ideas of "improving" the jeepney is nice, but is it feasible?
I agree with bikeman regarding the "pwede pa yan" mentality of Pinoys (or even "pwede na yan").
Sure we can have a "safer"or "environment friendly" designed jeepney, but it will definitely cost more. The jeepney drivers can't afford it ( unless they have no choice.. heh heh heh) or will not buy it.
Heard or tire recapping? The tires are being recycled, what more the jeepney?
I vote for the MUSEUM.. but hasn't the TORA TORA been in our museum but still taken out when needed
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Post by jovellcheng on May 4, 2006 0:13:01 GMT 8
[glow=yellow,2,300]Jeep??? Put... a... little more color to it to symbolize trash! Maxbuwaya's thoughts? I agree. And may I add? It seems "to me" that most Filipinos (us) regards the "jeep" as blessing from the (American) war. But if you could just think it over for a while and study a "bit" of WW2 history, it's trash! Left by the americans because transporting all of those vehicles back to their country is far more exepensive than leaving it to our land. And what else did we benefit from WW2, besides the fact that americans refers to our land as "strategic location" in defeating their enemy (Japan)? Oh yeah! The "Jeep". Then the Filipino made a slight improvise on that trash and turned it into public transport (clever). Pinoys thought It was so reliable that it doesn't need more modifications besides stretching it further, and then bought another trash (surplus engine) from Japan! So yeah, it was a reliable vehicle for a while that pinoys didn't started to care for any improvements in road safety and traffic regulations. The fact that our traffic rules and emission standards are hindered and greatly influenced by jeepneys and it clearly shows that we embrace regression and, as "Bikeman" said, "pwede na yan" mentality. So now, Manila is officially the 8th most polluted city in Asia. We trash our air and we cherish it! We don't care for air pollution, we've got jeepneys! ;D We are trashing our country and we're lovin' it!!! ;D And by the way, We don't have the most polluted city in Asia...  but we're getting there! ;D ;D ;D   [/glow] |
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Post by g.b.b on May 4, 2006 2:26:58 GMT 8
Toanswerthequestion: "Is Jeepney still something to be proud of?"
iwasneverbeenproudofthistransportation.itsucksanditgivesmeheadache.
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Post by quiesledaddy on May 4, 2006 3:09:19 GMT 8
this is one topic that i would glady see become real, we don't need 'em rolling @#$%!!!!! the majority of the distances that majority of the passengers use is definitely well within 15 to 30 minutes on a bike. 90% of the time it's less.
less trafic, less pollution, win win situation? it will need someone with BALLS to pull this off. sure ain't that midget sitting in office right now.
Vote for:
No jeepneys
No tricycles
No pedicabs
No surplus parts ( Filipino pride??? garbage from abroad??)
No Buses from Korea and Taiwan
No to vehicles older than 20 yrs. old
I hope that this does not offend our countrymen with this type of livelihood. ( i'm sure it will )
Yes to scooters
YES TO BICYCLES
Less fuel consumed more bicycles consumed, imagine that
A very good topic!
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Post by Ben Dover on May 4, 2006 9:04:26 GMT 8
i like nono's suggestion but definitely not all of us can bike...the sick, the old folks, disabled (or differently abled), children etc at depende sa lakad o sitwasyon...what is the most feasible alternative then that we have in mind to replace this relic? btw, can they make the smoke coming out of the pipes smell like winston lights? hehe!  |
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Post by marcs on May 4, 2006 9:12:57 GMT 8
the only way to phase it out is to provide a viable alternative means of transport. as tolits said, not everyone can bike or would always want to bike in this hot weather especially if you're going from one end of the metro to the other.
the best approach would still be a mass transit system, be it a subway, more MRT lines, etc.
I lived in Japan for about 3 months and given their super efficient train system you would not need a car anymore coz it's so much more convenient to hop on the train (if the train gets delayed they give you a pass to show to your boss why you were late, or people can actually tell you to meet them at the 11:10 train etc). All the train stations are interconnected you can literally go from one end of japan to other.
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Post by BrusKO on May 4, 2006 9:22:54 GMT 8
this is one topic that i would glady see become real, we don't need 'em rolling @#$%!!!!! the majority of the distances that majority of the passengers use is definitely well within 15 to 30 minutes on a bike. 90% of the time it's less. less trafic, less pollution, win win situation? it will need someone with BALLS to pull this off. sure ain't that midget sitting in office right now. Vote for: No jeepneys No tricycles No pedicabs No surplus parts ( Filipino pride??? garbage from abroad??) No Buses from Korea and Taiwan No to vehicles older than 20 yrs. oldI hope that this does not offend our countrymen with this type of livelihood. ( i'm sure it will ) Yes to scooters YES TO BICYCLES Less fuel consumed more bicycles consumed, imagine that A very good topic! What about me??? What am I to do with this 20+ year old junk???  While I agree with quiesledaddy on this, I feel it's a bit harsh. Not everyone can afford a bike or a scooter. But I honestly think that jeepneys should be phased out. Don't get me wrong. I ride jeeps from time to time. But these rolling coffins are just too dangerous to keep on the streets- be it the jeepneys' or their drivers' aspect. Marc, all of us have to make a living. Don't tell me one is excused from road courtesy and being barbaric just to make a boundary. If this is the case, then a common employee meeting a deadline should be excused as well. My take: get rid of the jeepneys, impose stricter traffic laws on taxis and trikes and reinforce them fully. I think the key word here is REINFORCE. ...Mi dos sentimos. |
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Post by Ben Dover on May 4, 2006 9:37:24 GMT 8
levity aside...i believe the jeeps/jeepneys...that transportion system i.e. is only a microcosm of the way pinoys think...backward...i think mr. sarao (not sure 'bout his children though )was genius improvising on a military vehicle and making lots of money out of it...but i think it should serve only as transition...it served its purpose and now has become obsolete...replacement is long overdue. we pinoys should be always forward looking..lets plan ahead for lots of things not only in the mass tranport system...knowing that population will eventually baloon in our cities still we created narrow main roads...wtf, without (or provision for) drainage, electrical, telephone and water systems underneath...kagagawa lang hukay ulit..after that hukay ulit...waste ng (borrowed even) money...same with lots of things. why not commission those witches to design and manufacture fying walis tambo..or breed these mananangals and tikbalangs and use them as transport...dyan naman tayo magaling hehe! believe me they are friendly and dont eat much..wala akong nabalitaan na ang nakalagay sa death certificate eh kinain ng aswang. itong ating mga planners di nagtratrabaho...isusumbong kay panday yan pag nainis ako. |
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Post by janix on May 4, 2006 9:56:36 GMT 8
my opinon:
if only drivers are disciplined, if only passengers are responsible enough, if only operators maintain enough, if only traffic enforcers enforce enough... i don't think there would be any health/physical hazards.
but is it only the jeepneys who should be phased out? how about buses? old buses, those who have been in service for more than enough. don't you think they're dangerous too? bus drivers as well are barbaric, they would utilize every space just to overtake. they are also the reason why MMDA makes new traffic schemes, and they get mad at MMDA? hypocrites! all they care about is theirselves.
most drivers are good and understanding outside cars, but when they get inside their cars, they become evil. only few drivers really understand what it's like to be out there to be harrased by other reckless drivers.
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Post by quiesledaddy on May 4, 2006 9:59:37 GMT 8
Brusko,
I'll take that 20yr. old car if you don't mind. ;D
Not meaning to be harsh, but the problem is d@mn pollution and traffic.
We are just SO used to this system that it is very hard to adjust to anything else. pedicabs and tricycles are just band aids to the jeepneys unwanted route.
Mass transit is the main key, how about the provinces you say? that's another issue when you got other important cities that are not connected to Manila. heck, let's start off with Manila first.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....... after 10minutes of thinking, besides the jeepney issue, we should start off with the population one instead. ok, i'll shut my trap now.
Nice starlet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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