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Post by forcebinder on May 18, 2006 21:02:22 GMT 8
anyone care to explain this difficult move???
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 21:16:56 GMT 8
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Post by Patrick on May 18, 2006 21:31:18 GMT 8
A G-turn is like a front pivot without locking the front brakes. Start by doing an endo then release the front brakes while in a pivot. You have to have a perfect front tire balance to maintain and complete the move. Notice the front tire is rolling from trials-online.com
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Post by Patrick on May 18, 2006 21:34:43 GMT 8
This clip actually inspired me to take up trials, so i wont be happy until i can pull that one off.
You can actually do that without even locking the brakes. If I reach front hop level, I will try to learn that move.
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Post by styxmaster69 on May 19, 2006 11:09:44 GMT 8
A G-turn is like a front pivot without locking the front brakes. Start by doing an endo then release the front brakes while in a pivot. You have to have a perfect front tire balance to maintain and complete the move. Notice the front tire is rolling from trials-online.com i used to do it on my bmx.... years ago.... i tried it on my mtb.... but my front suspension absorbing the pivot force..... it is easy to do it on rigid fork....
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Post by Patrick on May 19, 2006 11:24:30 GMT 8
did you feather the front brakes with your BMX to control the balance?
Any tips on how to learn this aside from getting a ridgid? I think I saw Spency do this in some video, it might be in Red Bull Bike Battle AKA Boston's hell
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Post by joes on May 19, 2006 12:19:32 GMT 8
You can actually do that without even locking the brakes. pat. could you discuss weight shifting? i think this is an essential.
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Post by the D. on May 19, 2006 12:26:31 GMT 8
have you seen the opening credit of Show ko on QTV channel 11? you'll see Boyet C doin' that trick With Tubby's bike.
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Post by Patrick on May 19, 2006 13:45:20 GMT 8
pat. could you discuss weight shifting? i think this is an essential. For this move or as general? I cant do a g-turn, yet ... (what ive learned so far: its a skill, not a talent so if you study it, you can eventually do it. Talent is the time it takes to learn it. Before I couldnt imagine that I will learn to trackstand ;D I thought man this is impossible) ... so I can only teach you weight shifting in general. Basically if you want to do a move ie hoo-haa, front pivot 180 etc transfering your body's location relative to the bike is essential. I couldnt do a front 180 before I learned to throw my body ahead of the turn. The bike just follow your pull. Fora hoo-haa, I think that is rear tire to front tire to rear tire, I can do front to rear for now, while on an endo or form a front pivot, I just jump to the rear of the bike (ahead of the move) then pull the bike on a rotating motion to land the rear tire. Often times it is important to exagerate body motion to achieve proper weight shifting. Weight shifting is also important in pedal kicks, mastering a fluid body motion is essential for distance when gapping, the kick is just a kick, power of the kick is least important. Ex kick the pedals when the body already leading the bike (from a crouched position) and then bring the bike infront of you. In the gif animation I posted see the 3rd frame I think, the rider throws his body ahead of the turn after he turned his handlebar which causes the spin. The balance over the handlebar is a different thing though. You have to practice doing some endos and holding it to have skills to learn this move. If anybody wants to learn or teach me, Im most willing to teach or learn. have you seen the opening credit of Show ko on QTV channel 11? you'll see Boyet C doin' that trick With Tubby's bike.
When is that show? I can watch it since im a bum and sits on my couch all day hehe
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Post by forcebinder on May 19, 2006 18:19:46 GMT 8
doing a pivot 180 isnt that very difficult...but at first i thought i couldnt make it... but the 180 hop is one of the the hardest skill i ever learned!!! i thought it was impossible to do it on my 32 pound "trials" bike...my bike is setup for street and dj and is not that light like the others here...but in the end i eventually got the hang of it...
back to topic...ive tried practicing some gturns b4 but i only got it 180 degrees...i always end up endoing... you must really commit urself to find that balance point or that "sweet spot" in order to continue your rotation without locking the brakes...
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Post by Patrick on May 19, 2006 19:07:39 GMT 8
forcebinder my 180 hop needs help, I couldnt get past 120 degrees, i do a pedal punch to aid the turn making it faster but I kinda stall in the last 90 degrees doing only at the most 30 degrees. BTW where are you located?
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Post by forcebinder on May 19, 2006 19:25:39 GMT 8
bacolod...i dnt do a pedal punch when doing a 180... i first practiced 180s using small bumps to help get my front tire up enough and let me get the feel of the 180... after i felt it i try it on flat pavement but with some speed...then i practiced then i got it... have u ever seen bmxers doing 180s??? if u knw a friend who rides bmx and can do 180s ask him...
the key to doing a 180 on pavement is to turn your front wheel like doing a trackstand then lift the bars and notice ur bike like doing a small manual then immediateley do a bunnyhop...and remember to turn your head to the desired direction of the rotation and ur body will juat follow...
if ur bunnyhop is too low sometimes ur rotation will stall but if it is high enough then you can make that 180... u could also practice on leveled ground like those 10" gutters then do 180 down... the one im telling is 180 hop not static 180...havent tried that yet...
hope this helps
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Post by Patrick on May 19, 2006 22:02:57 GMT 8
oh I was talking about static 180 i dont know if thats the term its like your on two big rocks (each tire) then switch your tires by a 180 spin. But that tip will help me a lot, is what your saying a bunnyhop 180? Cool, galing mo I will practice that. Did you have BMX background?
Bacolod? I have relatives there. Im from Iloilo City and Antique.
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Post by forcebinder on May 20, 2006 8:24:23 GMT 8
no bmx...png batang bmx lng hehehe...i started xc then got a little interested in street,trials and dj...most of my companions are bmxers so i learn from them...
you can also do a 180 by just doing a small hop about 10-13" by hopping your bike with the wheels parallel to the ground and immediately turn your bars and body...dnt need to pedal punch...
when you succeed doing a static 180 with a pedal punch teach me!!! i suck at pedal punches..
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Post by Patrick on May 20, 2006 10:29:50 GMT 8
Hey you changed the title so now its not OT ;D. Me too straight to mtb, I started a year ago with an XC bike, di ko pala type hehe, I ended up learning trials on an XC bike about 8 months ago. Hopefully I can save up for a dedicated trials bike soon (I have tons of expenses so bikes/parts comes in second). Konablack actually started me on learning trials , I was balancing while seated and he suggested that I stand. After that I started learning Trials with a trackstand, that was around August last year. Hopefully through Bongjumper's kindness he can help me get an Echo Pure/ES4R/Urban, I plan to put a susp fork still hehe, im old so I need to take care of my bones hehe, plus I'd rather ride lines eventually like what Leech, Lenosky etc prefer. Im practicing 180 with a hop but I cant get the spin quite right as of now, punching it helps a lot in terms of effort, reducing effort from 100% down to 20% plus additional 10 degrees +/- so it helps a lot. But im not practicing my spins often. Im dialing backhop/pedalkicks now. Im focusing on basic trials move than in play moves ie basics: balance,hop,rocking,trackstands, advanced:backhops, pedalkicks. , play: manual (for balance, & I totally suck at this). Hopefully I can dial them soon (expect 6 months or so). Disclaimer: BTW I dont want to come accross as someone whose really good at this, I just speak my mind in these topics because I want to share my experiences in learning, hoping that it will make someone else's learning curve better, faster and thus avoiding what made my learning slower.
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Post by forcebinder on May 20, 2006 12:25:29 GMT 8
mastering the art of trials video can also help...it'll give you the idea on how to do those tricks step by step...
btw i managed to learn trackstands inside our living room during rainy days and if i cant ride my bike i ride inside sa living room...
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Post by Patrick on May 20, 2006 18:00:29 GMT 8
hehe, In case of rain I practice under easment parking in nearby buildings, this rainy season I will practice in our garage slash my home office.
I have the video, it helped me a lot. Sayang I didnt get it sooner bec I had to go back to basics and polish those moves. Leech's arrangement of skills (phases) is unusual (on phase 2 - 3) but effective.
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Post by forcebinder on May 20, 2006 18:23:13 GMT 8
also one of the most fruitful sites about trials that ive learned from very much is trials-online!!! they explain things very well...
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