deejay
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Post by deejay on Nov 4, 2006 18:52:35 GMT 8
Anybody using HARDTAIL MOUNTAINBIKE for downhill/freeride? Is it ok to use it in every race? And who is the great rider here in the phil that using hardtail in the race?
pls post comments!
thanks!
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Post by madmax on Nov 4, 2006 19:36:43 GMT 8
hardtails are ok to use for downhill races. but it really depends on the course itself on how well you do.
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Post by >rocketman> on Nov 4, 2006 19:55:39 GMT 8
;Dthe famous ukay boys of baguio used to race dh on hardtails and pro eli zapanta
now, all are in the pro category, rides full suspension, for dhr.
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Post by Alphabolt on Nov 4, 2006 22:13:54 GMT 8
DH of HT ... nifty Like those Canadian Chromo hardcore peeps. I read before that they had to use large tires like 2.5s and 2.7s to take the beating body-wise Can anyone post pics ?
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Post by wadesingson on Nov 4, 2006 22:22:10 GMT 8
checkout www.asilvertouch.com/features.php?feature_id=104 they have a review on the cromag stylus hardtail for shore and DH riding. it was set up with a 2.7 in front and a 2.5 in the rear plus a 150mm fork I use a cove stiffee with a 6 inch fork in tagaytay when i need to refocus the riding. seriously its good to use a hardtail every now and then if you feel that your riding gets sloppy. tires will help to take some of the sting out - but you will need to realy read the trail. also it helps that the hardtail you will use should have a slack head angle to make the most use of the front suspension.
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Post by wadesingson on Nov 5, 2006 6:08:59 GMT 8
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Post by deejay on Nov 5, 2006 19:18:59 GMT 8
Thanks for the comments!!
I used to ride in hardtail and race with it, but now I temporary stopped because of busy work, but I will ride it soon. Owners of high end bikes always under estimate hardtail riders, as my experience, but I always think that I will win in races with my hardtail.
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Post by Dragunov on Nov 5, 2006 22:16:23 GMT 8
how bout this, its setup for fr/dh duty, but i use it for hehehehe XC ;D ht can be used as dh rigs but for me a, a fs would be better for dh
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Post by puregutz on Nov 6, 2006 12:50:09 GMT 8
Aky of Baguio Ukay Riders used to ride one. His first ever pro race he placed 5th in Laoag City. Not bad for a hardtail.
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Post by joes on Nov 6, 2006 13:35:40 GMT 8
ah.. the legend of the ukay riders! that's why i'll never go FS!!!
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Post by >rocketman> on Nov 6, 2006 15:00:39 GMT 8
but they are now on full suspension, for dhr.
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Post by ian_rex on Nov 6, 2006 15:46:39 GMT 8
they say the thrill is in the shakes.
honestly, i've used my hard tail / trail bike for downhill and it fares quite well. that is, if you could tolerate the bumps along the way.
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Post by madmax on Nov 6, 2006 16:40:44 GMT 8
if you want to be competitive in downhill and get podium finishes then fs is the way to go. its not impossible to do dh on a hardtail but just dont expect to win.
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Post by deejay on Nov 6, 2006 18:33:16 GMT 8
Is it true that success is not on the BIKE it is in the RIDER? How bout that?
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Nov 6, 2006 18:35:26 GMT 8
well that sounds good..but if you want to win races you might have to put in twice the effort..
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Post by madmax on Nov 6, 2006 18:41:44 GMT 8
yeah that would be true if everyone raced in identical bikes. hehehe
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Post by Patrick on Nov 6, 2006 18:55:31 GMT 8
Is it true that success is not on the BIKE it is in the RIDER? How bout that? From your point of view IMHO that would be wrong...your talking about racing right? While like Aky who won on a hardtail, anybody with enough skills in handling hardtails will have a chance to win, chances would be greater on an FS. BTW im not saying you cant win on an HT. Like madmax said if they raced identical bikes that would be true (about skills). But sadly its not all about the rider, DH racing is also about the bikes, the trails and technology as well and how the rider blends everything together. But keep on practicing who knows. ;D Better use that HT for DJs / street where it will excel ;D
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Post by joes on Nov 6, 2006 19:16:54 GMT 8
it's not about the bike mate, it's the rider. an HT with an experienced rider could beat out an intermediate rider on a very expensive FS.
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Post by madmax on Nov 6, 2006 19:24:51 GMT 8
yeah and try racing two experienced riders. one on a ht and the other on a fs. on a rough track with big ass rock gardens. who do you think will win. if it was all about the rider and not the bike well why arent pros riding hardtails for dh.
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Post by ewik on Nov 6, 2006 22:58:49 GMT 8
canadian HT frame user here. 3.5" fork travel. i just use other tires when riding dh's... 2.5/2.35 F/R tire combination, and right tire pressure ;D
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Post by anshwa on Nov 6, 2006 23:13:18 GMT 8
I'm with Patrick & Madmax here. The bike plays a significant role. The example was perfect, have two riders w/ identical skills do runs. One on a hardtail & one on a FS, I'm pretty sure the FS would win.
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Post by the D. on Nov 6, 2006 23:36:51 GMT 8
yes Aky, Nuy, Brian podiums on a hardtail before in the novice division. i believe they shifted to FS co'z the expert level is very different from the novice. i never heard of anyone won the expert class on a hardtail.
Ely Zapanta also used to raced on a hardtail but decides to raced on a full sus rig too. it's hard to win against a rider that's good as you but with a better rig.
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Post by joes on Nov 7, 2006 8:21:33 GMT 8
i just admire the skills that you have to muster to podium on a hardtail. alot of riders nowadays focus more on getting the good stuff on their bikes and less on developing their skills.
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Post by kulot_salot on Nov 7, 2006 8:36:07 GMT 8
i just admire the skills that you have to muster to podium on a hardtail. alot of riders nowadays focus more on getting the good stuff on their bikes and less on developing their skills. i agree.
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Post by anshwa on Nov 8, 2006 0:17:14 GMT 8
i just admire the skills that you have to muster to podium on a hardtail. alot of riders nowadays focus more on getting the good stuff on their bikes and less on developing their skills. Yeah, to an extent you're right.
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Post by rob on Nov 8, 2006 7:45:17 GMT 8
i just admire the skills that you have to muster to podium on a hardtail. alot of riders nowadays focus more on getting the good stuff on their bikes and less on developing their skills. way to go JOES. MY DJ bikes goes anywhere I go riding. I like the quick response of HT's however, Max has a point equally skilled riders pitted against, given diiffrent bikes will generate different results. O yeah about the kind of trail? That is also a factor. Maybe for rockies i'll agree FS is better but for a high speed winding DH trail with ruts... that's another story
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Post by joes on Nov 8, 2006 8:42:17 GMT 8
well, if you're not going to be competetive and you're as cheap or broke-arsed as i am... go hardtail!
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Nov 8, 2006 10:53:56 GMT 8
probably YES.......probably NOT.......let see! ;D .......let the bike do the talking! ......we will be there to CHEER u up! ;D EVS!
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Post by madmax on Nov 8, 2006 14:02:27 GMT 8
i guess it all comes down to making the best with what you have.
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Post by deejay on Nov 8, 2006 18:15:01 GMT 8
Okay guys, thanks for you comments. I've known a lot of riders who owned high end bikes, they can buy anything, to the expensive parts but they can't win, i'm not saying that they are nothing but I think RIDER first then the BIKE is second.
How bout the the 30 ft.+ drop from the film "Statement". the rider uses a, I think, Balfa Minuteman HT frame.
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