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Post by >rocketman> on Aug 17, 2005 12:12:00 GMT 8
;D 05 8 inch boxxer race P28 to 30 K taiwan.
cost down of boxxer race/team without high speed compression and external low speed compression adjustments.
Travel: 7” / 8” Adjust: All Travel Target Weight*: 3356g / 7.4 lb Spring: Dual Coil Adjust: Preload Damping: HC2 Adjust: External Rebound Lowers: NEW One piece magnesium, Disc Only Crown: Forged Aluminum with bolt hole pattern standard to allow stems to direct mount Steerer Tube: Easton butted Aluminum Upper Tubes: 32mm EA70 Straight Wall with low friction anodized Colors*: Silver
the new lowers and the arch are mean looking, nice direct stem mount upper crowns.
any reviews?
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Post by quiesledaddy on Aug 17, 2005 12:37:03 GMT 8
it's works like a giant judy!!!!!! looks good but the damping needs a lot of help. they went to this route because of OEM specs. technology wise and damping wise = 0
When we use to make them before, there's only one model, none of that make them cheap and available. i know you guys remember the old electric red and black boxxers. those were the good ones.
they're good for daily urban rides though. where damping is not a big factor.
Nono
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Post by vertigo on Oct 11, 2005 2:51:38 GMT 8
nono,
is there a certain "tweak" that can be applied to this particular fork for it to be worthy of becoming a boxxer world cup? you know, like changing it's internals? i think i saw one unit displayed at kings and it's about 30K.
and in what particular aspect in the damping area will be the problem? is it prone to spike? or anything like that?
one last...kelan ka uuwi para sa mga pyesa? hehehe dami nang naghihintay sa iyong pagbabalik ;D
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Post by PT on Oct 11, 2005 12:53:07 GMT 8
the boxxer race is still known for spiking guys .. i've seen the reviews and a lot of people dont like it .. just save up for a 2004 team or a 2005 team .. better yet, a 2003 super t ..
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Oct 15, 2005 13:25:44 GMT 8
guys, what do you mean by "SPIKE"? can you give a detailed description on how and what can you feel? and bakit meron nun?
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Post by PT on Oct 15, 2005 14:22:25 GMT 8
"spiking" is when your fork starts to feel crappy! heheh .. the hydraulics on the fork lets say for example the boxxer race will lock up ..so the fork wont be as plush during continuous hits .. this is something you cant fix with rebound and preload adjustment ..
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Post by PT on Oct 15, 2005 14:23:58 GMT 8
if you want them boxxers to perform better .. get a boxxcart or get it TF tuned .. but thats way too expensive .. mojo also do this for boxxers ..
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Post by vertigo on Oct 15, 2005 20:02:28 GMT 8
brad i think "spiking" in a fork (which is the most specific downside characteristic of the good 'ol JuniorT) is more of "the sudden jerking of the fork, as to what some DHers say that is jerking upward" usually the problem lies in rebound, and i think walang way to resolve the issue, except buying a new fork perhaps ;D
pero endoboy's explanation is right, too, spiking as in parang nagiging stiff ung fork on the more high speed runs usually like going 40-60kph tapos bigla kang tatama sa isang object tapos it feels really stiff, parang wala nang laro, spiking din un, ano ba yan ang gulo ;D kasi ung spiking is so relative kasi, pero iisa lang ang pinanggagalingan ng problema, usually sa rebound.
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Post by Poseur on Oct 16, 2005 2:43:14 GMT 8
spiking is NOT your "jerking upward" feel. that's not spiking. spiking is when the valving can't handle the liquid moving thru the valves. more on the downward motion... feels like the fork is locked up.
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Post by vertigo on Oct 16, 2005 3:22:05 GMT 8
spiking is NOT your "jerking upward" feel. that's not spiking. spiking is when the valving can't handle the liquid moving thru the valves. more on the downward motion... feels like the fork is locked up. it's NOT MY "jerking upward" feel, just quoted some downhillers as how they described it, besides, i don't do full time DH anyways. so it seems that spiking is more on the downward motion, so pag naka compress ung fork nagla lock sya, as to what spiking is described, and eventually it will disengage, e diba ang tendency nung fork e bumalik sa dati nyang travel so it moves up again, thus the jerking upward feel nung travel. tama ba? or am i missing something? paki correct na lang po kung mali. anyways i'm just trying to help out, share some thoughts, engage in healthy arguements and have no problems to be standing corrected but NOT be categorized.
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Post by Poseur on Oct 16, 2005 10:40:46 GMT 8
the feel basically is like suddenly having 1" (or zero) of travel as oppose to 7" or 8". the fork stops going thru it's travel. so u get that momentary loss of travel... as if it's locked suddenly. parang yon traffic sa edsa when the road becomes narrow. he3 the flow of cars suddenly comes to a stand still.
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Post by PT on Oct 16, 2005 14:40:00 GMT 8
brad sa case naman ng jr.t ganito yung nangyayari.. Jr.T's use simple ported valving. what this means is that the fork can't adjust to the speed of different impacts...it's tuned to take one medium-speed impact, and will be too soft on slower ones and will completely lock out on some faster hits. There's basically a disc with holes in it that passes the damper fluid as the suspension moves...the holes are a constant size, and when pushed too hard, just can't get the oil through fast enough, so the fork effectively locks..
if and only if your gonna spend big bucks on your fork i suggest you get those with hscv(super t) rather than those with ssv or ssvf (junior t) .. the junior t is a very good fork.. the super t is a better fork and the 888 is kick ass fork .. what im trying to say is you wont go wrong with the junior t ..
just remember this guys .. it all boils down sa skills .. if you have the best bike in the world that doesnt mean that your the best rider .. sure it will help pero i know a lot of people who can just fly through those trails and pass riders with better bikes ..! peace..ü
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Post by Poseur on Oct 16, 2005 16:46:04 GMT 8
endo is correct. a Jr-T might be fine for someone until that person starts pushing that fork to it's capability. having said that i would not call the jr-Ts "a very good fork". it's ok but not even close to very good. u get what u pay for.
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Post by PT on Oct 16, 2005 16:52:40 GMT 8
my bad .. bang for the buck pare .. my friend just got one and its plush .. nuff said ..
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Post by vertigo on Oct 17, 2005 2:31:00 GMT 8
yeah endoboy, and andami pa namang naka JrT sa pinas, kasi abot kaya ang presyo! really bang for the buck!
and yeah the damping system of the Junior T (SSVF) indeed sucks lalo na kung gagamitin pa sa full time DH races, medyo ok sya sa small bump sensitivity pero yun nga lang very bad in spiking. but hey, mura pa rin sya and perhaps a more fitting choice over it's rivals like the manitou stance kingpin, marz drop off triple, etc.
the best still is the HSCV damping system installed in the Super Ts, the Shivers and today's champion, the 66RC. haaaayyyyy naku sana anak ako ng pulitiko para makabili ng mga ganito. i can't even afford the JuniorT...
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Post by Poseur on Oct 17, 2005 3:39:31 GMT 8
I wonder how the 06 Boxxer Race will perform....
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Post by PT on Oct 17, 2005 8:19:25 GMT 8
a lot better i hope .. if you want your boxxer to perform a lot better i suggest you get a black box kit for it .. pero xempre dehins nakakatuwang gastusan ang mangyayari jan ... hahah!
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Post by Poseur on Oct 17, 2005 9:45:40 GMT 8
black box is only for the older ones.... 2004 and older. the ones with the new lowers are all "black box" already. it's not like you're going to get some new cartridges or something like that. just some new aluminum washers and bits (base valve, wavy washer, base valve carrier, new spring perch) that allow the oil to flow thru better. your boxxer will rebound faster though. i did that to my Bullit's boxxer race.
btw, black box upgrade kit is free here. you just have to pay for the service. i did it myself.
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Post by PT on Oct 17, 2005 13:17:35 GMT 8
exactly .. talaga free?? astig ah .. if anyone wants to trade their boxxer team for a 66rc pm nyo ko or text me at 09195966360 ..
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Post by jumpingzaskar on Oct 18, 2005 23:57:04 GMT 8
pucha, ok na ung 66 endoboy!
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Post by vertigo on Oct 19, 2005 1:37:49 GMT 8
endoboy, your gonna trade your 66RC for a boxxer?
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Post by alien_scream on Oct 19, 2005 9:43:57 GMT 8
i think!!! the boxxer is more expensive than the 66!!!!!
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Post by PT on Oct 19, 2005 12:02:08 GMT 8
05 boxxer is more expensive .. 04 team dein ..
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Oct 27, 2005 17:54:04 GMT 8
spiking wont happen unless pang world cup ung tracks....dito sa atin d ganon ka solid ung ruts at kung meron naman kaya naman nating magcompensate sa conditons,dun tayo magaling, sa pag adapt ng equiptment natin sa course...
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Post by Poseur on Oct 27, 2005 23:49:56 GMT 8
define "pang world cup ung tracks". what you're saying is like we can ride a hardtail and all we do is adapt to it's harshness.
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Post by >rocketman> on Oct 28, 2005 15:26:40 GMT 8
uso nuon 80's sa US, XC bike palitan ng mataba gulong pang DH na! I remember sa old magazine John tomac bombing kakikaze DH course on his XC bike with matching sungay bar ends.
Full suspension frame entered the scene kasi bugbog yung katawan ng rider, so naisip nila mostly mga motorcycle riders, suspension mechanic and race car designers, to use suspension sa mtb fork and frame for Dh race and trail/ XC bikes and the rest is history.
;Dsa Present time, Nag evolve na mtbike, dahil ito ang demand ng market, Ang dami na, You choose your discipline DH, FR, XC, AM, DJ, DS, 4X, meron sila specific na bike para dito.
you can now choose the right bike based on your discipline and the trail in your area.
Peachy, di ba Steve Peat is using/testing S.P.-1 proto (black box) boxxer on his Orange dh bike, maybe it will become 06 WC boxxer, boxxer with Steve Peat's inputs.
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Oct 28, 2005 17:34:18 GMT 8
so it means yung spiking is like a hit or shock you feel during extreme riding conditions... hmmm...... kala ko katulad sa Volleyball yung spiking.?!?!?! what d FeK am i talking about? hehehehe!!!
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Post by PT on Oct 28, 2005 20:11:23 GMT 8
define "pang world cup ung tracks". what you're saying is like we can ride a hardtail and all we do is adapt to it's harshness. pang world cup na tracks i guess would be those tracks where world cup racers race on? brad if youve seen the 2005 fort williams world cup segment on earthed 2 you'll know what he's talking about ..ü 3/4 ng track parang rock garden ng grotto..! since ganun yung terrain yung mga fork na prone to spiking mahihirapan dun .. yung sa mga naka hardtail naman they dont have any other choice but to "adapt to the harshness" of the track with the use of their arms and legs.dun nila cinocompensate yung lack of suspension nila ..so yea,we can ride a hardtail and all we do is adapt to it's harshness.. kaya nga advantage pag full-sus gamit mo diba? dehins kasing bugbog yung katawan compared sa naka hardtail.. kaya saludo ako sa lahat ng may hardtail pride! heheh .. peace.
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Post by vertigo on Oct 29, 2005 2:00:08 GMT 8
e paano ngayun yan? dehins naman lahat kayang bumili ng FS?
you simply can't apply what you know when you're not used to riding in the philippines, on the otherhand you can't also speak of trails all around the world unless you went there. it also applies to kung anung kayang abutin ng rider from different walks of life pagdating sa mga pyesa, and also the availability of the parts for that matter! so syempre ung iba (gaya ko hehehe) dehins maka adapt ang bulsa nila so HT lang ang kaya nilang mabili, kaya nga me word na ADAPT e.
pero dito sa atin me mga nagdi DH na naka HT ahh, yung mga UKAY riders ng baguio before naka HT, and ely zapanta (he uses an XLR8 nga ba) the rest i don't know but there are people who rides HT
kung me pambili ng FS, well and good! kung wala at HT lang ang kaya, okay din naman, skills at ALAXAN na lang ang gamitin pang compensate hehehe! i agree! HARDTAILPRIDE! i believe kasi ibang klase ang rider kung HT ang sanay gamitin sa DH/FR e ;D skills wise malulupit!
hehhe ala na OT na tyo ;D
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Post by PT on Oct 29, 2005 11:47:47 GMT 8
e paano ngayun yan? dehins naman lahat kayang bumili ng FS? you simply can't apply what you know when you're not used to riding in the philippines, on the otherhand you can't also speak of trails all around the world unless you went there. it also applies to kung anung kayang abutin ng rider from different walks of life pagdating sa mga pyesa, and also the availability of the parts for that matter! so syempre ung iba (gaya ko hehehe) dehins maka adapt ang bulsa nila so HT lang ang kaya nilang mabili, kaya nga me word na ADAPT e. pero dito sa atin me mga nagdi DH na naka HT ahh, yung mga UKAY riders ng baguio before naka HT, and ely zapanta (he uses an XLR8 nga ba) the rest i don't know but there are people who rides HT kung me pambili ng FS, well and good! kung wala at HT lang ang kaya, okay din naman, skills at ALAXAN na lang ang gamitin pang compensate hehehe! i agree! HARDTAILPRIDE! i believe kasi ibang klase ang rider kung HT ang sanay gamitin sa DH/FR e ;D skills wise malulupit! hehhe ala na OT na tyo ;D sir, wala naman po akong sinabi na kelangan ng ful-sus or kelangan bumili para mag dh eh ..sinabi ko advantage pag naka full-sus.kung walang pambili ok lang! astig nga pag hardtail lang eh ..dapat nga may hardtail division sa mga karera para dehins sila lugi .. pero wala eh .. yet may mga top 10 finishers parin na naka HT! sir,ako po ay matagal nang nakatira dito sa laspinas at matagal nang nagbbike.. so im used to riding here in the philippines.mapakalsada o trail.dehins nga lang lahat. last, theres nothing wrong if we talk about trails or tracks from other countries even though we havent been there..dehins ko naman sinabi na nakaride na ko dun kahit dehins totoo eh .. a lot of people here talk about going to whistler because they think its a fun place to ride their bikes and i agree with that.. but have they been there? i dont think so. yun nga yung purpose ng advertising ng mga trails/tracks sa magazines diba? para basahin,pag-usapan tapos puntahan...
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