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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 3, 2005 21:18:25 GMT 8
Mga brad, I tried mild DH sa Tagaytay earlier today...Peak 3..What a RUSH! Super fast and wild (for a trail biker like me) as we tackled the ride in about 45 mins (+15 mins tambay time) Thanks, Rouen Raz, James and Allan M.!! I likey ! BUT I promised my wife not to do any heavy DH rides...not to mention Im chicken for those types So I got a Giant AC1 arrivin from US soon..May I get the setup advice on how to make it...ikanga ..bombproof. I have that + a Zoke DJII 130mm comin and I want a aggro trail-mild DH rig Any components you can advice me to get for that rig pls? Thanks, mga kasama salamat sa tulong
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 3, 2005 23:34:00 GMT 8
i dont think its good to use a 130mm fork, not because it lacks travel but because of the height of the fork
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Post by atomikmatchbox on Apr 4, 2005 7:20:05 GMT 8
i dont think its good to use a 130mm fork, not because it lacks travel but because of the height of the fork boxxer,boxxer.boxxer!!! ;D
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 4, 2005 8:42:10 GMT 8
boxxer,boxxer.boxxer!!! ;D 66rc? ;D
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 4, 2005 9:07:29 GMT 8
Ouch..mahal yan mga sir! ;D Yeah I know pangit angle and geometry of my rig if I use a DJ fork but I gotta work with it for now. Nabili ko na eh I have the ff: Giant AC1 (with RS Pro Deluxe), DJII 130mm, Z1 130mm, Thomson SeatPost, WTB Speed V saddle, the new Deore Octalink Spline Mega9 crankset (tigas.ok na to). If ok, pls advice me using these parts and what I still do not have, mga bros and sis (knowing there are abt 4 tough gals here) Thanks Thanks
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 4, 2005 9:12:59 GMT 8
Remember...Im "underdsaya" like many of you I know heheh "I promised my wife not to do any heavy DH rides...not to mention Im chicken for those types ;D" Fast, rocky, ruts and humps-full (and dusty langhya!) rides like Peak 3 , k na for a sissy like me Astig kayo , mga DH bros!
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 4, 2005 9:27:20 GMT 8
use the z1 instead of dj, it works better for trail use
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Post by puregutz on Apr 4, 2005 13:23:59 GMT 8
Here's my all time best component picks:
I agree with jr, use Z1 instead. I tried it already and travel feels like its more than 130mm. Good fork.
Brakes: Shimano XT hydros (best brake ever! super good modulation feel).. Hassle lang to set-up but once you do, that's it! ;D
05 Shimano DX clipless pedals (proven na!)
Answer pro taper (if you could still find original). Super tibay, mapilipit na stem mo ayus pa din to (did i mention its extremely light?). if not Easton DH risers.
Mavic D or EX model rims. (D321 or EX 729). But if you have the "attik" get Dee Max ;D
ODI ruffian lock-on grips (great grips, say good bye to kalyo!)
The rest of the parts, its up to you. Those that I suggested wala ng palitan un until it breaks. The best na for me.
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 4, 2005 21:05:43 GMT 8
Thanks for the advice, sirs JR and Puregutz
Wish I had a longer travel frok but that s it.
Which stem and seatpost brands are OK and value for money?
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Post by basti on Apr 5, 2005 6:23:36 GMT 8
try looking for dabomb products..worth your money.
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 5, 2005 7:15:32 GMT 8
there are answer pro tapers in detour bikes... it think 900 bucks
yes, use da bomb stem, or spend a little extra and get Funn
you may also wanna consider sun single track rims... and avid mechanic brakes if your looking to save more
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Post by puregutz on Apr 5, 2005 7:52:47 GMT 8
Which stem and seatpost brands are OK and value for money? Im using DaBomb seatpost and minime stem. So far no complaints yet. The stem only cost P800. Great value. Dont buy azonic stems...
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Post by cmp on Apr 5, 2005 12:30:55 GMT 8
puregutz - care to enlighten us on your recommendation not to buy azonic stems? just curious. i've got one (a shorty deluxe) and it's been holding up well. it's up for sale only because i'm looking for a 50-60mm stem, and the azonic's a 75mm. thanks, cmp
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Post by Konan on Apr 5, 2005 12:36:46 GMT 8
Ahem looks like the you were infected by the Downhill Rash mah friend ;D Slap on a Fox 36 on it, I know you can score one You can't go wrong either if you go for the 66RC Ditch the DJ3 or the Z1, better yet those 2 forks in my garbage can brad, helpout a brad in need ;D ;D Poor Spez Enduro Pro you'll be on Alpha Alpha's trading post soon ;D bring it back here and will see how well she'll handle the rockies ;D
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Post by Poseur on Apr 5, 2005 13:28:29 GMT 8
build it up as heavy as u think u need it to be. i would suggest NOT turning it into a heavy hitting freeride machine if you're not going to be doing the huge drops. i'm not a weight calculating guy at all but a lighter bike is easier to handle.
what year is that Z1? ... that's my vote as well.
are flying off drops yet? are u planning to?
invest in a nice set of wheels. mavic 721 (old 521)... light and super strong. singletracks are ok too. the wheel builder will make the most difference.
get a decent handlebar since u dnt want that breaking on you while you're riding it. answer pro-taper like what puregutz says is good... easton EA50 is decent.
a good set of pedals.
good grips coz that's very impt. remember most of the time you're in contact w/ just your grips and your pedals. oh a nice grippy shoes if you're on platform pedals.
a decent derailleur. anything will break... get what u can afford to replace w/o swearing like a drunking irish guy. minimum deore. i hear there's a Suntour product that's nice and tough, plus it's cheap (DUROLUX). short cage. compatible to BOTH sram and shimano.
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Post by puregutz on Apr 5, 2005 15:53:24 GMT 8
puregutz - care to enlighten us on your recommendation not to buy azonic stems? just curious. I was using azonic shorty stem (40mm or 50mm i think) for quite sometime but didn't really experienced a hard crash. But 2 years ago during one of our trail rides I was carving a corner on a steep descent. I used too much front wheel steering so the front wheel just stopped and me going over the bars while my bike flew on top of me. The bike landed upside down, handle bar first resulting in a twisted azonic shorty stem. But my answer pro taper remained perfectly true. I was thinking if the fall is hard enough to twist the stem, it should have twisted my handlebars also. Dunno maybe it was a real hard fall and the bars were just really strong. I guess thats also how I fell in love with my protapers... I think un below P1,500 na protapers are japakes... (or probably not same quality as the first batch) The original ones are polished in the grips area and costs P2,800. They are also usually sold neatly packaged in a cardboard...
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 5, 2005 18:55:40 GMT 8
I think un below P1,500 na protapers are japakes... (or probably not same quality as the first batch) The original ones are polished in the grips area and costs P2,800. They are also usually sold neatly packaged in a cardboard... the prices just went down... and also may not be the same quality, im not sure, but they are the real thing.... polished in the grip area and all....
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 5, 2005 21:12:22 GMT 8
Thanks, Bok..I already use Da Bomb parts and they work fine Thanks, JR & sir Puregutz ..I really plan to checkout Detour..I plan to tour the bomber shops ;D Been to Endless na kanina Konan my ka-probinsya, I m lookin forward to riding with you..I will keep you in mind when I finally get my rig ready Peach sir, thank you for the advice....The Z1 is an 2002 model only but I like it & the DJ2 s a 2004. I also have a RS Psylo XC Tulio 120mm but I gues that s not a consideration (its a thru-axle though) I like the FUNN Stem but its so heavy! weighed 390 grams at the digital scale at Endless Shop ! I dont want to whine but I agree with Peachy sir ...I dont have to bear that much weight to do Mild DH Any other options pls? I m buying the stem soon..70mm to max 90mm
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 5, 2005 21:47:16 GMT 8
are flying off drops yet? are u planning to? invest in a nice set of wheels. mavic 721 (old 521)... light and super strong. singletracks are ok too. the wheel builder will make the most difference. get a decent handlebar since u dnt want that breaking on you while you're riding it. answer pro-taper like what puregutz says is good... easton EA50 is decent. a good set of pedals. good grips coz that's very impt. remember most of the time you're in contact w/ just your grips and your pedals. oh a nice grippy shoes if you're on platform pedals. a decent derailleur. anything will break... get what u can afford to replace w/o swearing like a drunking irish guy. minimum deore. i hear there's a Suntour product that's nice and tough, plus it's cheap (DUROLUX). short cage. compatible to BOTH sram and shimano. Peachy, Im right now tagging along with DH people..I ve been doing some low jumps at Peak 3 (cant help it..dami dirt humps). I plan to do some Drop offs but max 4 ft. lang. I ll break my parts and baka bones (katok kahoy) if higher. I need to buy decent rims now..sun rhino lytes, ok? ok price eh Handle bars...Yeah Im eyeing the Easton 50s Pedals...Im using Mallet Cs Derailleur...Im limited to a Deore or an old XT 2001..k na b to ? Grips...Im not so happy with the Lock-on Da Bombs...they kinda hurt IMHO when riding the long DH rides like Peak3 (30-40 mins) Which grips work for you, folks?
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Post by Poseur on Apr 6, 2005 4:22:57 GMT 8
sounds like u r going bigger... so don't cheap out on wheels. u'll ruin one real fast if u cheap out on that. like i said b4, find a good builder, one w/ lots of experience.
i would go for the 2002 Z1. 20mm axle?
get a good disc brakes... mech or hydro. 8" in the front if u have a 20mm axle. if not i would think about it.
i would stay w/ a 50-60mm stem (never 90 - that's XC) azonic is fine.
i swear by ODI grips. rogue.
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Post by puregutz on Apr 6, 2005 5:18:07 GMT 8
the prices just went down... and also may not be the same quality, im not sure, but they are the real thing.... polished in the grip area and all.... O great. I need a new one for my trail bike. I'll pass by detour shop one of these days... ;D I heard ok daw mga products dyan... Thanks for the info.
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 6, 2005 6:17:39 GMT 8
I need to buy decent rims now..sun rhino lytes, ok? ok price eh Which grips work for you, folks? single tracks are stronger than rhino, based on experiace.... grip? the generic ones worth 150(max, sometimes 130) with locks.... you can find them everywhere
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Post by >rocketman> on Apr 6, 2005 6:27:32 GMT 8
rhino lytes are weak it's for XC brad i saw one twisted ocho, after endoing, at the steep start of ridge 2, tagaytay. try mavics, alex, dabombs, or sun single tracks, Im' using lizard skin lock ons, almost 2 years na, easier to remove pa.
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 6, 2005 6:48:35 GMT 8
Thanks, sirs JR, Rocketman and Peach Peach, Im using Avid BB5 with an modified-to-8inch Jagwire rotor upfront now..It s on my KHS FXTrail frame (my first bike). Im happy with it except for that long ride at Peak3. Ouch to the fingers! . Im dreamin of hydro for that now ODI grips...where can I find them and how much pls? sir JR, how much single track rims and ODI grips sa Detour pls? Hope to meet you when I go there.. It s beside your house only right? sir rocketman, thanks for the review for the rhinos . I ll stay away from them. price for that is really tempting though Which Alexrims models are ok pls? those are better priced sa mga LBS here.
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 6, 2005 6:54:07 GMT 8
i would go for the 2002 Z1. 20mm axle? i would stay w/ a 50-60mm stem (never 90 - that's XC) azonic is fine. . The Z1 s a Wedge model and doesnt have thru axle but It s quite tough IMHO I can get a 70mm FSA stem ...that ok? What s the lightest BUT mid-DH level stem for you, sir Peach?(this would make for a good thread, huh? ) Thanks brad. Ingat riding your USA trails
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 6, 2005 14:24:51 GMT 8
im not sure sa prices, i think 1300 ung single track.... its about a minute away from my house pag naka bike....
im there most of the time, when i dont have class... right now madalas bantay si tena(intense1) and bans(cigi)...
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Post by jrjrjr on Apr 6, 2005 16:32:34 GMT 8
corretion on the new protapers, the grip part is not polished anymore pala
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Post by Poseur on Apr 6, 2005 20:58:40 GMT 8
rhyno lites aren't for XC. buy the welded version and build it right. seeing some guy taco a rim says nothing. all rims will taco given a certain circumstances. all things break.
when i started riding harder, i got myself a rhino lite also. it held up fine. my buddy who's riding pretty hard and much more aggressively (he is smooth though) still rides his 26" rhyno lite after his 24" got decommissioned.
build it right! make sure the tension is as even as possible and tensioned correctly. your wheel will last. of course buying a nicer rim is better but 4 some1 who's just starting and wants a budget wheel. i would go for it.
not in the US alpha, CND.
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Post by stormloader on Apr 6, 2005 22:25:21 GMT 8
I think un below P1,500 na protapers are japakes... (or probably not same quality as the first batch) The original ones are polished in the grips area and costs P2,800. They are also usually sold neatly packaged in a cardboard... the cheaper P900+ protapers are noticeably heavier than the more expensive version (P1,600 in cycle art). but the weight difference is insignificant IMO - 10, 15 grams? dunno if it's as durable as the more expensive version though. the cheaper model has missing laser-etched decals or something and they tend to fade after a few months of exposure to the elements (at least in my case) orig or japeyk? not really sure but yes they're cheap protapers and is probably a good buy. personally i think the bar's diameter is a bit too flimsy for aggro-riding and DH/FR and i intend to replace mine
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 6, 2005 22:52:42 GMT 8
sir Peach, One more reason to DH for you...Canada's subsidized healthcare program. That s why that country produces some of the wilder riders eh? ;D I have a pair of Mavic 217 Ceramic rims ...will they fare as good as the Rhino lites or the Single Tracks ? Some guys at Cartimar offered some good money for it on the spot..Im thinking of using or selling it. It s mint so its as good as money Im down to my 217 Ceramic, the rhino Lites or the Single Tracks.....the fewer the choices the harder it is..HALP
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