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Post by Ben Dover on Mar 13, 2008 12:33:59 GMT 8
just curious...arci, is your condition irreversible according to your doctor/s?
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Post by kulot_salot on Mar 13, 2008 13:06:42 GMT 8
i dont have a cyclocomp (threw it away... hate to see registering below 1kph on climbs ;D )... i dont have a HRM... but i do get tunnel visions when i ride hard... no peripheral visions... like you're viewing a binocular but in reverse... di kaya yun na yung white light at the end of the tunnel...?
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Post by leflea on Mar 13, 2008 14:41:34 GMT 8
wow, thanks sir! how do you know all this ...amazing explanation. more please i promise not to fall asleep.. Maybe this will help I'll try to make it simple coz it's so d@mn boring! You dont use one energy system You use different gas tanks at different heart rate levels At lower heart rates , you use the aerobic energy system It can make you go on all day , kaso it's too slow magproduce ng energy So pag tumaas na heart rate mo , dehins na nya kaya isupply energy kasi mabagal nga sya magproduce You body now switches to using Anaerobic system( turbo charger ) It's produces power quickly, kaso it relies on carbs ( have you eaten?) and produces lactic acid kaya di ka naman tatagal Mas efficient if yu train them seperately Build a bigger engine muna( aerobic system ) ,so that your body can do more work/go faster at lower heart rates Only Then do intervals so it learns to burn carbs and dispose lactic acid more efficiently to go even faster there's more to it , kaso you'll probably fall asleep I'm writing this from memory and it's been awhile, so someone correct me if I'm wrong If I am wrong , then go buy your own f#$%^n physio book and read it yourself edit - forgot the smileys
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Post by allegra on Mar 13, 2008 15:05:07 GMT 8
When you cant ride , magbasa nalang ng libro Lots of books and old mag articles about it They just dont explain it that well naks! haha or maybe because I'm wrong
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Post by marcs on Mar 13, 2008 15:44:25 GMT 8
Been reading lately Triathlete's Training Bible, and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to improve his performance, not just in Triathlons but training in general.
Several key points that I remember . . . . 1.) Rest is very very very important. Actually, someone once told me an HR is there more to help you do recovery rides because we always have a tendency to always push ourself, that if i don't ride so and so kms every x period i will backslide. Well, fitness gains actually happens during the rest period.
2.) Understand the diff factors that lead to improvement -- FORCE, ENDURANCE, SPEED Force is how much power you crank out (this is like torque in a car). Good climbers crank out a lot of FORCE.
Endurance is of course how long you can sustain a certain activity, or delay the onset of fatigue.
Speed is actually not just how fast you go, but how efficiently you do a certain activity (this is why, for swim training, it's actually better to focus on technique rather than power, now i count strokes per lap rather than actual time).
FORCE+ENDURANCE = Muscular Endurance ENDURANCE+SPEED= Anaeorobic Endurance SPEED+FORCE= Power
Again, this is all from a book that i'm just recently reading, and am quoting from memory hehe. Will post more details when i get home.
But key points to remember are 1.) No pain no gain is not always true. If something hurts, stop. 2.) Each one's body reacts diff to a training program. Which is why you cannot simply cut and paste a workout from a magazine. You have to know what works for you. That is why training is both a science, and an art. 3.) Practice does not make perfect. Practice makes permanent. Common sense approach sometimes is not the best approach. The best training programs produces the best result at the least amount of time needed.
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Post by jr on Mar 13, 2008 22:31:38 GMT 8
You should listen to your heart and your body reaction. In training hitting yourself over max HR in long period of time you will end up to over training. The key is to do 85 -95% HRM on intervals twice a week with recovery ride in between and a long ride once a week will develop endurance. In few weeks you HR will reach the peak but when the training continues will turn the other way. Your HR will drop and gain more power . Hi fafa Jr, That was what I used to do 2 interval sessions a week , plus LSDs during the weekends I'd get overtrained agad And tagal ng interval between the LSDs ( weekends lang ), it doesnt train your aerobic system efficiently So I do nothing but LSDs and pedaling drills during the base period and nothing else AFTER , the base period then I start some intervals Habang palapit ng palapit ang race , mas madami na high intensity training and little na ang LSD until you peak Well that's my program , I just too lazy/busy to follow it But I usually finish base training lang Allegra..yap sometimes listen to your body. Every person have different effect on training. Some they take slowly and gradually increases the effort and others the other way around. Intervals is very hard also boring if you doing alone. I think the best way is to join the spinning classes with instructor love doing intervals or do with fellow riders.
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Post by allegra on Mar 13, 2008 22:49:35 GMT 8
Been reading lately Triathlete's Training Bible, and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to improve his performance, not just in Triathlons but training in general. Several key points that I remember . . . . 1.) Rest is very very very important. Actually, someone once told me an HR is there more to help you do recovery rides because we always have a tendency to always push ourself, that if i don't ride so and so kms every x period i will backslide. Well, fitness gains actually happens during the rest period. 2.) Understand the diff factors that lead to improvement -- FORCE, ENDURANCE, SPEED Force is how much power you crank out (this is like torque in a car). Good climbers crank out a lot of FORCE. Endurance is of course how long you can sustain a certain activity, or delay the onset of fatigue. Speed is actually not just how fast you go, but how efficiently you do a certain activity (this is why, for swim training, it's actually better to focus on technique rather than power, now i count strokes per lap rather than actual time). FORCE+ENDURANCE = Muscular Endurance ENDURANCE+SPEED= Anaeorobic Endurance SPEED+FORCE= Power Again, this is all from a book that i'm just recently reading, and am quoting from memory hehe. Will post more details when i get home. But key points to remember are 1.) No pain no gain is not always true. If something hurts, stop. 2.) Each one's body reacts diff to a training program. Which is why you cannot simply cut and paste a workout from a magazine. You have to know what works for you. That is why training is both a science, and an art. 3.) Practice does not make perfect. Practice makes permanent. Common sense approach sometimes is not the best approach. The best training programs produces the best result at the least amount of time needed. Tri geek ka na rin!
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Post by bm5er on Mar 14, 2008 15:52:28 GMT 8
Found a simple VO2max formula = (d12 - 505) / 45 where d12 is your distance covered in meters in a 12 minute-run.
Dr. Kenneth H. Cooper conducted a study for the United States Air Force in the late 1960s. One of the results of this was the Cooper test in which the distance covered running in 12 minutes is measured. An approximate estimate for VO2 max (in ml/min/kg).
Maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max) is widely accepted as the single best measure of cardiovascular fitness and maximal aerobic power.
The average young untrained male will have a VO2 max of approximately 45 ml/kg/min. The average young untrained female will score a VO2 max of approximately 38 ml/kg/min. These scores can improve with training and decrease with age.
World class male athletes, cyclists and cross-country skiers typically exceed 80 ml/kg/min and a rare few may exceed 90 ml/kg/min for men and 70 ml/kg/min for women.
Three time Tour de France winner Greg LeMond is reported to have had a VO2 max of 92.5 at his peak - one of the highest ever recorded.
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Post by leflea on Mar 14, 2008 21:46:05 GMT 8
wow this is a wonderful resource... thanks for posting.
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Post by mountguitars on Mar 15, 2008 3:16:47 GMT 8
bm5er, this is a very good resource. thanks for posting. if you think about, cardio sometimes isnt what matters the most. people have got to read this to get a better picture.
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Post by dayuhan on Mar 15, 2008 8:11:51 GMT 8
Wow... HRM, LSD, intervals, VO2 max etc etc... y'all sound like... like roadies.
Me, I just ride. Every day. Weekdays, minimum 2 hrs a day, one or two 5-6 hr rides a week. Trails on weekends, when I have company. If I feel like sprinting, I sprint. If I feel like climbing fast, I do.
Couldn't begin to tell you what the heart rate is. Don't really care. Good to stay fit, but in the long run what makes it worth it is the fun. That's what makes it worth it from a fitness perspective too, because what keeps me on the bike, and staying fit, is the fun of it. If I was gonna wire myself up to a bunch of gadgets and "train", instead of just riding... I think I'd end up riding less.
But that's me, whatever works for each person is what's best for them...
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Post by Ben Dover on Mar 15, 2008 12:28:22 GMT 8
Wow... HRM, LSD, intervals, VO2 max etc etc... y'all sound like... like roadies. Me, I just ride. Every day. Weekdays, minimum 2 hrs a day, one or two 5-6 hr rides a week. Trails on weekends, when I have company. If I feel like sprinting, I sprint. If I feel like climbing fast, I do. Couldn't begin to tell you what the heart rate is. Don't really care. Good to stay fit, but in the long run what makes it worth it is the fun. That's what makes it worth it from a fitness perspective too, because what keeps me on the bike, and staying fit, is the fun of it. If I was gonna wire myself up to a bunch of gadgets and "train", instead of just riding... I think I'd end up riding less. But that's me, whatever works for each person is what's best for them... wow! thanks dayuhan...its nice to hear that there's someone here who's just like...except that i don't really ride every day...i used to contemplate on buying one but then i realized that maybe its not for me. i still believe though that for those who are really serious about training, improving their performance and has plans in joining a lot of races, these things are important...just my 2 cents.
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Post by bm5er on Mar 15, 2008 13:54:31 GMT 8
For some, it is really for peace of mind, ours & our family's. At our age and current fitness level, I believe it is wise to be on the safe side knowing your bounds.
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Post by g.b.b on Mar 15, 2008 17:51:53 GMT 8
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Post by yetiman on Mar 15, 2008 18:36:46 GMT 8
nice one dayuhan...... if it's your time...no matter how fit you are Always thank the LORD for a new day to ride!
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Post by allegra on Mar 15, 2008 19:46:51 GMT 8
Wow... HRM, LSD, intervals, VO2 max etc etc... y'all sound like... like roadies. Me, I just ride. Every day. Weekdays, minimum 2 hrs a day, one or two 5-6 hr rides a week. Trails on weekends, when I have company. If I feel like sprinting, I sprint. If I feel like climbing fast, I do. Couldn't begin to tell you what the heart rate is. Don't really care. Good to stay fit, but in the long run what makes it worth it is the fun. That's what makes it worth it from a fitness perspective too, because what keeps me on the bike, and staying fit, is the fun of it. If I was gonna wire myself up to a bunch of gadgets and "train", instead of just riding... I think I'd end up riding less. But that's me, whatever works for each person is what's best for them... hehe of course Beginning of the year , I make my own triathlon training program I dont think I've finished even one It does take the fun out of riding unless your an obsessive compulsive freak in the first place Nga lang , when I followed a strict training program I had better results riding 2 hrs twice a week than when I was riding everyday pa-ride ride lang
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Post by dayuhan on Mar 15, 2008 20:01:11 GMT 8
i still believe though that for those who are really serious about training, improving their performance and has plans in joining a lot of races, these things are important...just my 2 cents. Guess it depends on what you mean by improving performance... for ,e, if I can ride something today that I couldn't ride yesterday, I'm improvingh my performance. If I can do one of my usual rides and feel like I did it cleaner, smoother, better, more fun... that's improved performance. Not much into joining races anyway, they're all too far away and I'm just an AM/trail guy not DH or XC or 4X or any other neat category. So I'll just ride and have fun, and leave "training" to those who care. Of course if y'all want to come up and keep up on an all day ride, I'm always happy to oblige...
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Post by bobby on Mar 15, 2008 22:53:34 GMT 8
yeah, got me thinking also...but its one helluva way to die don't you think? doing one of the things you love most...yes thats right, just one of the things...i guess the real pain will always be on the people you gonna leave behind...imagining that gives me "kurot sa puso" if i may say. plus, imagine that the last faces you gonna see are those of noel, ian, bruce, jon and paul? asking, dude, ok ka lang? dang!! no way!! Lord, take me now while i'm here at my home with my family. ;D this ive heard a long time ago. The reason for expensive hearses on funerals and the slow speed, is that you are going out in style for the last time. well dying while you do what you love most, must definitely be going out in style.
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Post by Ben Dover on Mar 15, 2008 23:37:08 GMT 8
yeah, got me thinking also...but its one helluva way to die don't you think? doing one of the things you love most...yes thats right, just one of the things...i guess the real pain will always be on the people you gonna leave behind...imagining that gives me "kurot sa puso" if i may say. plus, imagine that the last faces you gonna see are those of noel, ian, bruce, jon and paul? asking, dude, ok ka lang? dang!! no way!! Lord, take me now while i'm here at my home with my family. ;D this ive heard a long time ago. The reason for expensive hearses on funerals and the slow speed, is that you are going out in style for the last time. well dying while you do what you love most, must definitely be going out in style. i remember during my brother's funeral my father gave instruction for the hearse driver to speed up to normal driving speed and nobody would walk..he just couldn't find the reason for the traditional way. ;D during my mother's funeral, i was in charged and gave the same instruction...the barangay tagays couldn't believe their ears..they were smiling at each other...they prolly thought that i lost my mind if ever i will have a chance to write my last will, the song that they will be playing on my funeral will be the makabagbag damdaming.... sorry for the OT ;D
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Post by allegra on Mar 16, 2008 20:20:23 GMT 8
i still believe though that for those who are really serious about training, improving their performance and has plans in joining a lot of races, these things are important...just my 2 cents. Guess it depends on what you mean by improving performance... for ,e, if I can ride something today that I couldn't ride yesterday, I'm improvingh my performance. If I can do one of my usual rides and feel like I did it cleaner, smoother, better, more fun... that's improved performance. Not much into joining races anyway, they're all too far away and I'm just an AM/trail guy not DH or XC or 4X or any other neat category. So I'll just ride and have fun, and leave "training" to those who care. Of course if y'all want to come up and keep up on an all day ride, I'm always happy to oblige... hmmm... Dayuhan + high altitude riding + all day rides ( aerobic training) + sagada climbs ( improves power ) = major butt kicking for the challengers I wish I had a training schedule like that
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Post by mountguitars on Mar 16, 2008 22:18:07 GMT 8
Wow... HRM, LSD, intervals, VO2 max etc etc... y'all sound like... like roadies. Me, I just ride. Every day. Weekdays, minimum 2 hrs a day, one or two 5-6 hr rides a week. Trails on weekends, when I have company. If I feel like sprinting, I sprint. If I feel like climbing fast, I do. Couldn't begin to tell you what the heart rate is. Don't really care. Good to stay fit, but in the long run what makes it worth it is the fun. That's what makes it worth it from a fitness perspective too, because what keeps me on the bike, and staying fit, is the fun of it. If I was gonna wire myself up to a bunch of gadgets and "train", instead of just riding... I think I'd end up riding less. But that's me, whatever works for each person is what's best for them... that's awesome. i do this too. really dont care. unfortunately, if it werent for some races, i wouldnt push really hard. sometimes if you're ahead, you miss all the small chit chats, hehe. ;D and i've given up on that HRM and even using a cyclo computer. i dont even wear a watch, hehehe. ;D
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