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Post by hingal aso on Jun 18, 2006 3:06:01 GMT 8
What are the effects of painkillers and anti-inflammatory medications on physical development?
By physical development, what I mean is strenght and endurance improvement.
After engaging in a strenous more than your normal regular excercise (most of the time pag 'napa-subo' ka and you cannot back-out, or 'wala nang atrasan'), there are times that you experience muscle and joint pain. (In my case I also experience arthritic pain on my ankles usually induced by a trauma on the said part .....nadapa, sumemplang, or was abnormaly twisted).
So, in the interest of wanting to improve one's conditioning (ride stronger, faster, harder...and therefore more merrier), we tend to push our limit to our threshold. Which result in muscle pain (discomfort at the least), and other related conditions.
And therefore...... will taking these pain killers and/or anti-inflammotory medications have a drawback in your physical development?
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Post by arcireyes on Jun 19, 2006 9:48:35 GMT 8
sir,
from experience, let me share my two cents worth:
i have an osteoarthritic right knee (relatedly caused by a basketball injury i sustained when i was young/51 na kasi ako ngayon eh).
until 2 years ago i was still playing competitive age-group basketball ang right after every game my arthiritic right knee is super sakit that i took the habit of taking painkillers (movic 5mg).
it was a regular habit i did, until i read that regular taking of painkillers may cause some effects on the liver/kidney. and after that, even after experiencing some pain after a game, i avoided the painkillers and instead rested the knee. somehow it reduced the pain (or perhaps increased my pain threshold).
until recently that i had been into mtb the past 2-3 months (newbie) and after doing long rides, i still avoided taking painkillers even experiencing muscle pain brought about by the longer than normal rides. i remember the last time was i took paracetamol but that was for the headache.
in ending, i believe that our body can withstand whatever pain it experiences, its only a question on how much we are able to increase our threshold of pain.
in my opinion, taking pain killers and/or anti-inflammatory medications somehow have some negative effects on physical development if done unchecked.
again, my two cents worth.
cheers sir!
arci
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Post by ygolote on Jun 19, 2006 14:18:45 GMT 8
Before doctors prescribe non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen, diclofenac sodium/potassium, mefenamic acid) they usually ask, "may ulcer ka?" Such drugs limit the body's production of prostaglandin (which is chiefly responsible for inflammation, and also protecting the stomach lining from digestive acids in the stomach). The previous post also mentioned the side effects of prolonged use to the kidneys.
I find stretching effective for sports-related muscle pain and stiffness. For joint or ligament pain I take non-steroidal medication, but only when the pain has become a hindrance to normal activity.
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Post by REDNEB on Jun 19, 2006 20:30:37 GMT 8
I know a very good pain killer........... takes away the pain and gives u a whole lotta munchies............... if u take too much tho kinda works like viagra na rin.......
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...........................
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Post by hingal aso on Jun 19, 2006 20:39:18 GMT 8
Thanks for your inputs....
But I would like to rephrase my question.
I am not a pill junkie. I try to avoid "popping" a pill as much as possible. I only take mefenamic acid as my pain killer (tried those new generation painkillers (COX inhibitors) but it had an effect on my heartbeat).
The reason I asked the question is that it was a matter of being house "confined" ... due to pain and or swelling of affected parts versus being productive (being able to work) the following day.
I usually consider taking these medications as a preventive measure to ensure that I can function normally the next day (from experience I already know the 'symptoms' which leads to the pain and discomfort).
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 19, 2006 20:45:43 GMT 8
I know a very good pain killer........... takes away the pain and gives u a whole lotta munchies............... if u take too much tho kinda works like viagra na rin....... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........................... funny, i feel the same way too. it even makes me a deuretic sometimes.
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 19, 2006 21:00:50 GMT 8
how about steps on treating road/offroad rash? i've been getting a lot lately. i could even hardly recognize my elbow. any tips after the crash and home treatment? TIA.
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Post by REDNEB on Jun 19, 2006 22:33:17 GMT 8
bili ka elbow pads ...eheheheh........ =P
amm mefenamics r bad really fer yer bones........ and dont worry bout pills.... pills are bad.... u can just roll this in rizla paper or thru a bong..... ^_^.... no long term side effects ... just short ones ehehehehehe..... ^_^
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 19, 2006 22:46:19 GMT 8
bili ka elbow pads ...eheheheh........ =P i wish it was that easy but if you're a XC rider, wearing one limits your movements and feels hot on the elbow overtime. i actually have shin and elbow pads that i haven't used except for one elbow pad. yeah, used one on my bad elbow. and yesterday after the crash, im looking at it again. i might end up using it which im trying to avoid. that's an additional 150 grams for god's sake. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) maybe the question that i should've raised is how to avoid crashing in the first place. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by mountainmark on Jun 19, 2006 23:12:39 GMT 8
hmmmm never used any pain killer anymore after i discover that pain killer harms my tummy due to my ulcer problem and the doctor from dubai told me that pain killer leaves resedue to our body that soon may cause cancer. So if i feel in pain all i have to do is used my voltaren gel thats really works but dont know if we have that one in the phils. Now what i always bring in my hydration? I always put a mueller wrap and mueller tape for emergency purposes.
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Post by Julio on Jun 19, 2006 23:13:57 GMT 8
maybe the question that i should've raised is how to avoid crashing in the first place. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Quit riding ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by mountainmark on Jun 19, 2006 23:15:22 GMT 8
In addition to that joint pain.. I had that one for more than 2 weeks and after seeing a doctor i found out that it was my uric acid level. I took a medicine for control of the uric acid and avoid some food and more water in take. So the best way to find out before taking any medicine is that have seen by professionals first.. ciao!
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 20, 2006 20:36:22 GMT 8
maybe the question that i should've raised is how to avoid crashing in the first place. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Quit riding ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) hehe, very intuitive. quitting is not an option though, hehe. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by mountainmark on Jun 20, 2006 20:44:14 GMT 8
thats true @ mtguitar, no pain no game. hehehehe
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Post by wcoastbo on Jun 21, 2006 1:57:10 GMT 8
If you're having so much pain from riding that you have to be confined to bed, then there might be a larger problem. You need to seek medical advice and find out what the cause is. Riding should not cause that kind of pain. How often do you ride? Does your bike fit you correctly? Where exactly is the swelling? The knee? Even when I push myself very hard, even to the point of exhaustion... my joints are fine the next day. My major leg muscles may be tired, but not sore the next day. What you're describing is unusual for a typical weekend ride. The reason I asked the question is that it was a matter of being house "confined" ... due to pain and or swelling of affected parts versus being productive (being able to work) the following day.
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Post by icecold on Jun 21, 2006 10:23:10 GMT 8
I too have bad knees, I suffer pain after long exhausting rides or hikes. But I've yet to stay home the next day because of the pain. Bengay or omega pain-killers are what I used, and they're probably not as effective as taking pills. Having said that, I share the same sentiment as wcoastbo, it's either something is wrong with you or you're using the wrong bike or you are simply over-doing it.
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Post by hingal aso on Jun 21, 2006 23:14:16 GMT 8
If you're having so much pain from riding that you have to be confined to bed, then there might be a larger problem. You need to seek medical advice and find out what the cause is. Riding should not cause that kind of pain. How often do you ride? Does your bike fit you correctly? Where exactly is the swelling? The knee? Even when I push myself very hard, even to the point of exhaustion... my joints are fine the next day. My major leg muscles may be tired, but not sore the next day. What you're describing is unusual for a typical weekend ride. I have gout/arthritis (yup at my tender young age). It does not happen all the time, but when it does, it is too painful to walk and therefore I would "confine" myself in bed. Riding my bike does not cause it. Twisting my ankles or "na-tapilok" when I suddenly have to dismount, from my experience, triggers the arthritic attack. This is when I have to consider wheter to take anti-inflammatory or painkillers. I just want to know if these medications "negates" the effort I put in during my ride. It would be a waste of "pushing" myself physically if it gets wasted just because of these medications.
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Post by wcoastbo on Jun 22, 2006 8:07:48 GMT 8
my bad. I was under the impression the pain was caused by riding. I don't think that taking recommended doses of OTC anti-inflammatory meds will negate any of the exercise value you receive from cycling (I should note that I have no formal medical training, just stating my opinions). kudos to you for riding and doing what you enjoy, even though you know that it will cause pain later on. just make sure that riding is not making your condition worse. hopefully, exercise will improve your condition ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by wcoastbo on Jun 22, 2006 8:12:07 GMT 8
As far as gout goes... can't the condition be minimized by one's diet? We all know that the right diet, or wrong diet, could have a major impact to our health. I'm trying to reduce the red meat and fat from my own diet... but I sure do love that "bad" foods.
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Post by icecold on Jun 22, 2006 17:06:40 GMT 8
Hehe, I also thought your pains were the result of too much pedaling. While I'm not a doctor, I think that it depends on the painkillers you take. They have different side-effects, so it's hard to say if the efforts you excerted during your rides would be useless. Probably the best person/people to answer your questions would be doctors.
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Post by minotaur on Jun 26, 2006 11:24:45 GMT 8
I have gout/arthritis (yup at my tender young age). It does not happen all the time, but when it does, it is too painful to walk and therefore I would "confine" myself in bed. Riding my bike does not cause it. Twisting my ankles or "na-tapilok" when I suddenly have to dismount, from my experience, triggers the arthritic attack. This is when I have to consider wheter to take anti-inflammatory or painkillers. I just want to know if these medications "negates" the effort I put in during my ride. It would be a waste of "pushing" myself physically if it gets wasted just because of these medications. brad, For gout or "gouty arthritis", pain relivers and anti-inflammatory drugs such as NSAIDs will be important in your medical management especially during sever onset of pain. However for gout, there is elevated uric acid depositon between joints and NSAIDs do not help in lowering these levels. Another drug you may need is Colchicin and Allopurinol, these drugs help by reducing uric acid levels. These drugs is available only thru prescription so you may need to see your GP. Diet is also important, of course.
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Post by GALVinChie on Jun 26, 2006 12:45:10 GMT 8
Sir Hingal Aso, The drawback to physical improvement might be very imminent specially if you'll develop tolerance to the meds. Try consulting with your Physical Therapist, they might make some modification on your postural positioning specially when you go biking. Try not to exert too much on your body when you go on trails. Hope I helped. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by xc on Aug 1, 2006 1:30:07 GMT 8
ice! for cramp, swelling, and spasm no drugs.
strenthening of muscles around week joints is also good. learned that from therapy from lots of football injuries.
strengthen muscles that are not used in cycling
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