Ti-bar
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Pasma
Jan 12, 2008 22:33:35 GMT 8
Post by Ti-bar on Jan 12, 2008 22:33:35 GMT 8
this thread doesn't seem to die down ey......as what nora aunor shouts in one of her movie....... WALANG PASMA!!!!!...........ay himala pala yun (trans: there's no such thing as pasma....c'mon wake up people, we're in the 21st century) why do you want this thread to die down? why is being in the 21st century have anything to do with existence and non-existence of things such as "pasma"? if this thread must die why not just lock it? may i ask for a link that says there no such thing as "pasma" so ill be enlightened.
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Ti-bar
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Pasma
Jan 12, 2008 22:49:43 GMT 8
Post by Ti-bar on Jan 12, 2008 22:49:43 GMT 8
hehe, sir arci. i'm not yet convinced. it's easy to say that the condition doesn't exist. but maybe if we dig up on the history of the word "pasma" maybe we can learn some traditional/ancient knowledge that we have forgotten for a long time. i don't believe that the word was invented just like that and came into common use without proper reasoning. etymologists would agree that any popular word that continues to exist has some significance in society. just thinking out loud.s the word itself "pasma" maybe is not an original tagalog or filipino, maybe it was spoken originally by a foreigner in his/her language but was later on as time goes by and as it passes from one mouth to the other it became the word as it is commonly spoken today. im thinking more of the word "spasm" as its origin because the description of those afflicted with "pasma" have the symptoms of spasm or involuntary movement of muscles. just my thoughts
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Pasma
Jan 12, 2008 22:54:33 GMT 8
Post by knobbyist on Jan 12, 2008 22:54:33 GMT 8
brad what kind of doctor did you go to for this treatment? TIA. its not quack if thats what youre thinking ;D, it s a rehab doctor and those attending to me are PTs. the problem has something to do with the nerves at the middle of my palm, i must have leaned to them harder and longer than should be. thats why theyre rehabilitating them. no. thats not what i'm thinking at all. i asked because i find it interesting and for future reference. anyway thanks for answering the question.
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Pasma
Jan 12, 2008 22:57:13 GMT 8
Post by allegra on Jan 12, 2008 22:57:13 GMT 8
this thread doesn't seem to die down ey......as what nora aunor shouts in one of her movie....... WALANG PASMA!!!!!...........ay himala pala yun (trans: there's no such thing as pasma....c'mon wake up people, we're in the 21st century) why do you want this thread to die down? why is being in the 21st century have anything to do with existence and non-existence of things such as "pasma"? if this thread must die why not just lock it? may i ask for a link that says there no such thing as "pasma" so ill be enlightened. You want a link that proves there's no such thing as a non-existent illnes??
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Ti-bar
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Pasma
Jan 12, 2008 23:23:05 GMT 8
Post by Ti-bar on Jan 12, 2008 23:23:05 GMT 8
[quote au [/quote] You want a link that proves there's no such thing as a non-existent illnes??[/quote] yes i am asking because i want to be informed, dont you or you also believe it doesnt exist too? if so well i have no problem with that its your belief, but for me i have to find out for myself what i would believe into. for those who are interested heres a picture of what it looks like after the paraffin dip, for your reference
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Pasma
Jan 13, 2008 8:45:28 GMT 8
Post by allegra on Jan 13, 2008 8:45:28 GMT 8
I have no doubt about your injuries brad I have a lot of them myself and they dont go away , I just ignore them I just doubt a lot of "old folk's beliefs" , kahit mejo old na rin ako hehe If there would be anyone who would be susceptible sa pasma it would be triathletes Havent heard of anyone w/ one either
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Pasma
Jan 13, 2008 8:58:54 GMT 8
Post by BrusKO on Jan 13, 2008 8:58:54 GMT 8
...If there would be anyone who would be susceptible sa pasma it would be triathletes Havent heard of anyone w/ one either I totally agree with allegra. I've seen triathletes run straight into a tub of ice right after their final run.
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Pasma
Jan 13, 2008 10:46:25 GMT 8
Post by qt_kat on Jan 13, 2008 10:46:25 GMT 8
yes i am asking because i want to be informed, dont you or you also believe it doesnt exist too? if so well i have no problem with that its your belief, but for me i have to find out for myself what i would believe into. for those who are interested heres a picture of what it looks like after the paraffin dip, for your reference Paraffin wax treatment is an effective way of applying heat to reduce the swelling in muscles, decrease inflammation of joints and connective tissues, soothe the pain from arthritis and improve circulation. I think I've commented on this pasma thing before. Let it be known that......." Pasma" is not a medical diagnosis.
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Pasma
Jan 13, 2008 11:03:29 GMT 8
Post by mad_doc on Jan 13, 2008 11:03:29 GMT 8
ey guys.. ;D;D just a little addition... despite todays most recent advances in medicine and information technology...... it is still nothing compared to your Lolo/Lola/Aunt/Uncle etc etc telling you not to do this or that... irregardless of having any medical basis/background whatsoever.... it is still a proven fact that a persons state of mind can have a direct effect on his/her health. When you get instructions from a person whom you respect you subconsciously implant that idea in your mind.. and the mind carries it out. but still "pasma" is a condition not to be ignored. It still has to be treated...(rehab, paraffin, infra red heat lamps, sauna treatments, flash packs etc etc) just try to keep the traditional remedies in check and ask your favorite doctor for advice
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Ti-bar
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Pasma
Jan 13, 2008 21:17:09 GMT 8
Post by Ti-bar on Jan 13, 2008 21:17:09 GMT 8
this is a biking related something that i am sharing here for reference of those who may encounter this, actually the doc told me its not arthritis, its not painful not even swelling. the pt's talked among themselves that i lost my "ok" nerve control i have no idea what that was all i felt primarily is i lost more than 50% function of my thumb (so i am contemplating on converting to single speed now) i dig this thread up in the first place because i first thought it was some form of "pasma" but since i started on this thread to share this so i continued. i am a heavyweight so to speak and i recalled what i did when i rode, i leaned and gripped maybe so hard and my rubber grip is a generic one and my seat i think is not what you may call geometrically right but what am i to do im still not used to "high seat"?(im not really sure if this is all a factor). since this is not painful i considered to ignore this, i have so many pains and aches too that i ignored tho not biking related (including heartaches that is), but the thing that gnaws in my mind is what if it became permanent? im am searching for remedy/ies that is also what i am trying to share for those who may experience the same. if there are those who believes that this is not relevant, well pardon me, i committed a mistake, maybe i should keep this to myself. but for those who does have ideas on this kind of malady well personally i would most welcome it if it would be shared.
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Pasma
Jan 13, 2008 21:37:01 GMT 8
Post by >rocketman> on Jan 13, 2008 21:37:01 GMT 8
what's the equivalent of "pasma" in the western world, or they dont have it? only pinoys are affected?
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 9:23:22 GMT 8
Post by gadgets88 on Jan 14, 2008 9:23:22 GMT 8
Only in the Philippines may PASMA. Why do athletes take a long shower after a gruelling sports actiity? DO THEY GET PASMA? Actually, you are sweating because your pores are open. To stop PASMA, take a warm shower to fully open the pores and let all the sweat or toxins out of your sytem. After a warm shower, close the pores with a cold or normal temperature shower. This closes the pores and stops the sweating. so, hot or warm shower, then cold or normal shower. Tapos ang PASMA. Not having found terms to closely describe PASMA, let's loosely connect the condition to Carpal Tunnel syndrome, Spasms, and whatever condition that resembles it. For me, the condition exist because there are people who are suffering (totoo ito, mga tol = it's true my brothers). It is just that, all we have is the word PASMA to describe it. Not knowing the technical terms for certain conditions doesn't mean the condition doesn't exist. My version of the pasma syndrome appreared when I was a College freshman in Architecture. When I spend long hours drafting, the veins in the back of my hands and the whole length of my arm would rise up making me look like a freaky ripped-to-the-bone bodybuilder without the muscles. My hands would shake and it felt heavy and tired after working my hands for a long time (like 4 hours in the drafting table). I know it is shaking because I would raise my hands and spend time observing my fingers holding a pen and see if it's shaking. I knew something was wrong. Besides, even if my hands weren't shaking, my arms were so horrible and scary to look at because I fear that the veins rising up the skin might explode. It's like the heart is pumping all the blood to my hands (it would have been understandable if I were taking VIAGRA). Anyway, I quit school because I had to work. What happened was... with no more drafting work, the PASMA condition vanished. Up to this day, my hands don't shake like it used to. My veins rise up once in a while when my hands are tired. I always take a hot shower to relax. Doing a ritual of a hot shower then a cold shower, causes the body to adapt to sudden change of temperature. I think this adaptation makes you less susceptible to coughs and colds caused by weather changes. But those who with heart conditions (like norvasc users) are to be warned against jumping into trying this ritual. Do it slowly if you will, not too hot then slowly change to not too cold a shower. Do not try the very hot shower and suddenly turn off the hot supply and suddenly immerse yourself in cold shower. You don't want to have a heart attack in the shower! The ACE water spa in Banawe QC has 3 pools with very high temperature and a pool that is icy cold. There are instructions there in trying out the HOT-COLD ritual. You jump into the hot pool for 5 minutes, then suddenly jump into the icy cold pool for 5 minutes, then jump into the HOTTER pool for 5 minutes, then back into the icy cold pool for 5 minutes, then jump into the HOTTEST pool and back into the ICY cold pool. If you can do this, and not have a heart attack, then definitely... you are not a NORVASC user! my 2 cents...
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 9:34:24 GMT 8
Post by arcireyes on Jan 14, 2008 9:34:24 GMT 8
yo peeps, i'm old but my thinking is dynamic and not old school (i'm a firm believer of google) i'll stick to my belief and to what nora aunor says "WALANG PASMA" it's a false belief handed down by the arbularyos (for lack of better explanation to a one-categoried illness they want to treat with their herbal concoction/but this doesn't make me a non-believer in herbal medicines, FYI i use those that I believe contains curative effects for particular types of maladies). no, this thread shouldn't be locked because this offers for a lively discussion for the old-school and the google generation and everybody in-between evidence on pasma.......try to google it ;D....or perhaps try to google arthiritis or malaise or whatever, it might return more enlightened explanation on a lot of medical condition related to this so-called "pasma" excuse me, i had just finished resting my hand.......i think i can now wash it and not have pasma
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 9:37:13 GMT 8
Post by kulot_salot on Jan 14, 2008 9:37:13 GMT 8
Gadgets! Ma man! i thought you posted: My hands would shake and it felt heavy and tired after working my hands for a long time (like 4 hours UNDER the drafting table). ;D that, i think, would trigger PASMA....
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 10:11:14 GMT 8
Post by gadgets88 on Jan 14, 2008 10:11:14 GMT 8
Gadgets! Ma man! i thought you posted: My hands would shake and it felt heavy and tired after working my hands for a long time (like 4 hours UNDER the drafting table). ;D that, i think, would trigger PASMA.... Our HOA (History of Architecture) teacher was a looker. She would wear short skirts to our class. What the naughty boys did was remove the front cover of her table so we can see her (in all glory) upfront. She would wobble her legs open and close, open and close while giving lecture sitting down. As a teenager with hormones in full production, what was I to do? Get pasmatic! that's what... ;D ;D ;D Aren't we off-topic already? Thanks to Jaymz da PASMA idol!
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 10:23:47 GMT 8
Post by kulot_salot on Jan 14, 2008 10:23:47 GMT 8
OT again (please bear with us... this is within context naman... ;D ) Gadgets, just curious here.... did you studied arki @ in that well/world-known tech school inside 'the walls'? cuz, what you have shared with us here is what we do in drafting class there... heheheheh.... ;D ;D ;D same banana. Gadgets! Ma man! i thought you posted: My hands would shake and it felt heavy and tired after working my hands for a long time (like 4 hours UNDER the drafting table). ;D that, i think, would trigger PASMA.... Our HOA (History of Architecture) teacher was a looker. She would wear short skirts to our class. What the naughty boys did was remove the front cover of her table so we can see her (in all glory) upfront. She would wobble her legs open and close, open and close while giving lecture sitting down. As a teenager with hormones in full production, what was I to do? Get pasmatic! that's what... ;D ;D ;D Aren't we off-topic already? Thanks to Jaymz da PASMA idol!
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 11:00:22 GMT 8
Post by Ben Dover on Jan 14, 2008 11:00:22 GMT 8
is faraffin wax treatment an accepted medical treatment? i presume there's a proper procedure in doing that right?
just curious, if heat (or cold) treatment can somehow relieve pains etc., isn't it also an implied acceptance that wrong application of or improper procedure can cause the reverse?
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 11:28:44 GMT 8
Post by allegra on Jan 14, 2008 11:28:44 GMT 8
is faraffin wax treatment an accepted medical treatment? i presume there's a proper procedure in doing that right? just curious, if heat (or cold) treatment can somehow relieve pains etc., isn't it also an implied acceptance that wrong application of or improper procedure can cause the reverse? If it's the NBI giving you the paraffin treatment , the pain is definitely coming
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 12:09:51 GMT 8
Post by gadgets88 on Jan 14, 2008 12:09:51 GMT 8
OT again (please bear with us... this is within context naman... ;D ) Gadgets, just curious here.... did you studied arki @ in that well/world-known tech school inside 'the walls'? cuz, what you have shared with us here is what we do in drafting class there... heheheheh.... ;D ;D ;D same banana. I studied billiards inside those walls you mentioned, not Archi. I used to hang out that place because my friends are into (girls connected in the) sport. Meanwhile, on the other side of the city... I studied Archi inside the walls of the oldest university in Asia (where flooding, hold-ups, no classes during the Koree-Green-goku-theta used to occur on a weekly basis.) Studied a few sems, then quit. Twas a blessing in disguise. Don't want to be named Architect Pasmatic Man
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Ti-bar
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 20:14:39 GMT 8
Post by Ti-bar on Jan 14, 2008 20:14:39 GMT 8
is faraffin wax treatment an accepted medical treatment? i presume there's a proper procedure in doing that right? just curious, if heat (or cold) treatment can somehow relieve pains etc., isn't it also an implied acceptance that wrong application of or improper procedure can cause the reverse? its hot alright especially when you bring up your hand from the vat (?) kinda let the wax gets a little solid before dipping it again for another coat. there is pain the sort of like your nails are being pulled. the pain is when the melted wax is met by the cool air, as in defiance of the condition, the heat gives out its last strength before succumbing, freeing the wax to return to its solid state as the pain travels from the finger tips transmitting it to the brain which reaction is sent to the vocal chords which converted it to ..... arrrgh.... four more sessions to go...
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Pasma
Jan 14, 2008 21:40:52 GMT 8
Post by mad_doc on Jan 14, 2008 21:40:52 GMT 8
and yes paraffin wax treatment is a medically accepted practice... though physical therapists are the ones who know how to properly do this procedure... even i don't know the proper steps... just the concepts....
so just relax... and leave your hands in their... errr hands ;D
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Ti-bar
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Pasma
Jan 16, 2008 21:30:47 GMT 8
Post by Ti-bar on Jan 16, 2008 21:30:47 GMT 8
talking about steps please allow me to post some pictures i took during this afternoons session: 1. dipping of hand into the parabath- liquefy paraffin wax 2. pulled it out hanged a little while to let the coating solidify a bit then dip it again for another coating repeated 10x (this is when it will be painful ) 3. afterwhich the hand will be wrapped in black plastic and towel the purpose is to lock the heat for a longer time and will look like this: 4. after about 20 minutes it would be unwrapped with the solidified wax covering your hand like this: or this: and this (in a previous session two days ago) 5. the wax would then be peeled and will be given to you for the handjob ;D, squeezing the wax to exercise the hand, the wax although solid is quite soft. ok guys thats it, i hope i had contributed something in here somehow with this. thanks for viewing. ;D
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soctrumbiker
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Pasma
Feb 20, 2008 11:57:17 GMT 8
Post by soctrumbiker on Feb 20, 2008 11:57:17 GMT 8
May I ask somebody here regarding" pasma" or whatever u called? May hands and feets often sweat a LOT,, since elementary , but my hands/feet does not shake or my hands/feet has bigger veins. Everytime when I am excited.. sweat really pours into my hands My derma told me that I have over active sweaty glands. I tried some ointment like dri-color w/applicator. but for few months i never use it, then it goes back again, because my skin react to the chemical making it more dried. Are there any options for these currently when i am working i am having difficulties concentrating,because I have to wipe out excess sweat on my hands before working. rgds and thanks
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Pasma
Feb 20, 2008 19:00:13 GMT 8
Post by g.b.b on Feb 20, 2008 19:00:13 GMT 8
you have sweaty palms & feet....... there's a known procedure there but i just cant remember what's it called.... basta your palm skin needs to be operated and they will block the sweat glands........ downside... you'll gonna have a small scar..... ooperahan kasi...... so walang bike for weeks hehehe
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Pasma
Feb 20, 2008 19:21:58 GMT 8
Post by bigboyenrile on Feb 20, 2008 19:21:58 GMT 8
sweaty palms.. i tried rubbing my hands with tawas to stop the sweating.. and it did work.. until ur next handwash/bathtime that is...
pasma.. never experienced it but "pinched nerve" while gripping the handlebars? yes.. i think it has a lot to do with the ergonomics of the handlebar grips..
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Pasma
Feb 20, 2008 22:03:12 GMT 8
Post by qt_kat on Feb 20, 2008 22:03:12 GMT 8
May I ask somebody here regarding" pasma" or whatever u called? May hands and feets often sweat a LOT,, since elementary , but my hands/feet does not shake or my hands/feet has bigger veins. Everytime when I am excited.. sweat really pours into my hands My derma told me that I have over active sweaty glands. I tried some ointment like dri-color w/applicator. but for few months i never use it, then it goes back again, because my skin react to the chemical making it more dried. Are there any options for these currently when i am working i am having difficulties concentrating,because I have to wipe out excess sweat on my hands before working. rgds and thanks You are suffering from Hyperhidrosis. It could be treated with surgery called Thoracic Sympathectomy. This procedure eliminates palmar sweating in essentially 100 % of cases unless an incomplete procedure is done. Do consult a neurosurgeon regarding the procedure.
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Pasma
Feb 21, 2008 0:08:07 GMT 8
Post by g.b.b on Feb 21, 2008 0:08:07 GMT 8
there goes the doctor...... that's the correct scientific term hehehe update us whenever you had your checkup
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Pasma
Feb 21, 2008 0:20:26 GMT 8
Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Feb 21, 2008 0:20:26 GMT 8
pasma is true,,,, no questions, there are lot of illness frikin english don't know how to pronounce...
if your pasma, i do belive you need albularyo.... see them ASAP... hehehe
don't push it too hard kasi!
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soctrumbiker
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Pasma
Feb 21, 2008 12:18:08 GMT 8
Post by soctrumbiker on Feb 21, 2008 12:18:08 GMT 8
May I ask somebody here regarding" pasma" or whatever u called? May hands and feets often sweat a LOT,, since elementary , but my hands/feet does not shake or my hands/feet has bigger veins. Everytime when I am excited.. sweat really pours into my hands My derma told me that I have over active sweaty glands. I tried some ointment like dri-color w/applicator. but for few months i never use it, then it goes back again, because my skin react to the chemical making it more dried. Are there any options for these currently when i am working i am having difficulties concentrating,because I have to wipe out excess sweat on my hands before working. rgds and thanks You are suffering from Hyperhidrosis. It could be treated with surgery called Thoracic Sympathectomy. This procedure eliminates palmar sweating in essentially 100 % of cases unless an incomplete procedure is done. Do consult a neurosurgeon regarding the procedure. Thanks doc QT_KAT.. now I know the terms.. Hyperhidrosis Surgery mahirap pala, according to recent study one of every 5 asian has this condition.. I was wondering about BOTOX, are there any side effects and for how long? thanks again doc see this website.. www.handsdry.com/index.html
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Pasma
Feb 21, 2008 12:52:34 GMT 8
Post by qt_kat on Feb 21, 2008 12:52:34 GMT 8
Botulinum Toxin A injections are an effective and well-tolerated treatment for Axillary Hyperhidrosis. The results usually last for 4-16 months. Not really recommended for Palmar Hyperhidrosis because of pain during injections and occasional transient generalized muscle weakness in the hands after treatment. Sympathectomy is still the recommended treatment for palmar hyperhidrosis.
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