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Post by krx on Aug 18, 2007 11:19:03 GMT 8
I'm a bike commuter, mountainbiker and do road bikes.
I use 324s on my mtb and my commuter bike. And 540 on my road bike.
I like the 324's performance very much. I can use any type of shoes I like(cycling shoes with cleats, sandals, slippers, boots, sneakers) and they all feel comfortable. The issue of having to flip over the pedals to get the right side is not a big issue since you'll get used to it, as I did. I used them in the 24 hour race last week and had no problems with them. Helped me a lot in having the platform side in some of the more technical sections I wasn't comfortable with.
I got one of my 324's from a member here at PinoyMTBiker for around 750 pesos. Pristine condition.
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Post by trailrider on Aug 18, 2007 17:07:27 GMT 8
idol krx! thnx for the idea. im thnking of getting a 324 and im planning to get a 2nd hand. thnx!
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Post by jobyoreta on Aug 18, 2007 22:40:58 GMT 8
I've always used shimanos but have recently been thinking about getting crank bros. candy pedals. This is mostly because of the very muddy conditions we've been encountering lately. Some people have suggested that the candies work better than the shimanoes when caked in mud. Is this true?
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Post by RickShox on Aug 21, 2007 13:55:50 GMT 8
I've always used shimanos but have recently been thinking about getting crank bros. candy pedals. This is mostly because of the very muddy conditions we've been encountering lately. Some people have suggested that the candies work better than the shimanoes when caked in mud. Is this true? That's true brad'. Not that it works better in mud, but you can easily remove mud in any crank bros pedals because of its egg beater type of clipping system. However, if you are used to multi-release cleats, crank bros don't have such. Also, there are no tension adjustments for crank bros. The only adjustment is by switching the cleats. One cleat has two small dots in the center between the bolt holes, and the other cleat does not. If you put the cleat with two dots on it on your right shoe, then both feet release outwards at a 15 degree angle and if you put the one with the two little dots on your left shoe, then both feet release outwards at about 20 degrees. First-time users normally start with the 15 degree release angle. I like the simplicity of crank brother pedals.
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Post by jobyoreta on Aug 21, 2007 21:27:41 GMT 8
Thanks, man. Another question, I heard that if one side of the egbeater breaks, all other sides are broken, too. That daw is the nature of this particular system. Unlike shimanos, if one side breaks, you can still clip into the other side.
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Post by king on Aug 21, 2007 22:27:30 GMT 8
joby, the spring mechanism on the eggbeaters are pretty sturdy. i have the original 2002 models. and have hit them many times on roots, rocks, etc without any problems. i personally haven't heard of anyone breaking theirs either. Thanks, man. Another question, I heard that if one side of the egbeater breaks, all other sides are broken, too. That daw is the nature of this particular system. Unlike shimanos, if one side breaks, you can still clip into the other side.
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Post by jr on Aug 21, 2007 22:37:01 GMT 8
Eggbeater is the best pedal out there (my opinion). I tried top of the line shimano but really bad on muddy trails.
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Post by jobyoreta on Aug 21, 2007 22:39:29 GMT 8
Hey King, are you back? I heard about this guy that had to tie one side of his eggbeaters together so he could clip into the other side just to get home. Problem was, he couldn't clip out anymore, so when he got to where he was going, he actually had to take off his shoe whilst it was still in the pedal.
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Post by leflea on Aug 23, 2007 12:53:20 GMT 8
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Post by xero on Sept 5, 2007 19:13:36 GMT 8
Eggbeater is the best pedal out there (my opinion). I tried top of the line shimano but really bad on muddy trails. Do you recommend crankbrothers "Mallet" for newbie clipless user? Thanks!
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Post by jr on Sept 5, 2007 22:19:00 GMT 8
Eggbeater is the best pedal out there (my opinion). I tried top of the line shimano but really bad on muddy trails. Do you recommend crankbrothers "Mallet" for newbie clipless user? Thanks! Crankbrothers not mistaken have 15 degree play for dis engage compare to shimano have 10 degree. My opinion shimano is better fit for newbie because of adjustable dis engaging mechanism. The crankbrothers doesnt have that option.
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Post by hyperion on Sept 6, 2007 2:30:57 GMT 8
IMO, eggbeaters are a lot easier to use than SPD because they have 4 sides to clip on instead of only two compared to SPD. There are no adjustments to fiddle with so you cannot mess em up unlike more complicated pedals. Besides, unclipping is very effortless so I dont see any need for spring tension adjustment. They are also much lighter than most pedals and never gets clogged up with mud. They are also so small that they rarely hit anything on rides unlike bigger and bulkier pedals. The only downside is that they are hard (but not impossible) to use without the cycling shoes with cleats. Also because the eggbeater has no platform of any sort - it is best to be engaged into them all the time. xero, I have no experience with the mallet so take this with a grain of salt. I think the mallet sort of defeat the purpose of the eggbeater because it is heavy (kinda like 2 pedals in one), and does not have the traction of platform pedals anyway. In short as a clipless pedal - it won't be as good as the lighter eggbeaters and as platform pedal - it won't be as good as the typical platform with traction pins and larger surface. My solution to this dilemma is to have both eggbeater AND platform pedals hehe. I only use my eggbeater SL for long XC rides and looong climbs ... otherwise I use platform pedals for urban assaulting and every day use.
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Post by shimanoy on Sept 7, 2007 20:01:05 GMT 8
2007 xtr pedal
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Post by glockbiker on Sept 24, 2007 8:22:14 GMT 8
I'm into XC and so far Shimano's M747 pedals have been the best for me. Never failed to engage- even in the gooiest mud of Tanay.
The test riders at MBAction once said that the M747 remains the standard by which later XTR-level Shimano pedals live up to.
The Crank Bros. Eggbeaters would be my second choice.
The only reason I can't buy them for my second project bike is that their cleats are not SPD-compatible, and that means another pair of cycling shoes. Argh!
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Post by shuzzs on Sept 24, 2007 12:24:16 GMT 8
I just had my PD-520 "repacked" last Friday. I think it was the 3rd time since I got them last year. Anyway, I asked Butchoy of Sta. Rosa Bikehauz if it's better to get crank brothers pedals with regards maintenance.
He told me to just stay with Shimano pedals because it is easier and cheaper to maintain as compared to the crank brothers. Bearings of Shimano are sturdier than that of Crank Bros. He also advised if I wish to upgrade... go for XTR pedals... and it's cheaper as compared to the high-end crank bros.
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Post by leflea on Oct 9, 2007 12:29:20 GMT 8
i bought PD-647 weeks ago. so far so good. still learning to use it. haven't tried deep mud yet.
from reviews i've read that it's better from its other countersparts (with cages) in shedding mud. 424's seems to have a weak plastic cage. i've seen up close how 545's gather and eat mud, didn;t like it.
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Post by edge808 on Oct 9, 2007 13:45:20 GMT 8
the 647 shares the same mechanism design as the m520s, m540s, m959s, XTR and the new XTs. So far the best shimano clipless design out there. The only difference is the cage for 647 and weight via materials among the others.
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Post by losiphile on Oct 9, 2007 15:31:17 GMT 8
Anybody here seen a Shimano PD-M350 pedals? I've seen one and I think its the updated version of the PD-M324 but a little lighter I guess. The flatform side is concave so your cleats are not touching the axle. I'd like to buy this pedals but I've just purchased an M324 so no go for me. ;D ;D
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Post by baboinsky on Oct 9, 2007 20:31:46 GMT 8
After years of using spd pedals, I've decided to shift brands and bought a pair of candy c pedals. I fell in love with them after the first ride and I don't want to go back to SPD's. ;D
Here's my take on CB pedals:
Pros: -Great engagement (rode in the mud and did not have problems clipping in and un clipping) - No sharp edges unlike shimano spd's - good amount of lateral float
Cons: - You have to install the cleats at a proper angle. There's a chance you won't be able to unclip if you installed it wrong. - It's too silent. I was longing for the loud click you hear from spd pedals when you clip in. - Loved the pedals so much that I am buying another pair for my ss. (GASTOS ;d)
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Post by schwinng on Oct 10, 2007 9:39:41 GMT 8
Nothing but Crank Bros. Eggbeaters here! I'll install a new pair once I get my Singlecross bike. Speedplay X2s on my road bike.
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Post by pullback on Oct 14, 2007 21:34:13 GMT 8
in my own opinion...the best clipless pedal out there is shimano DX/m647... 1. it has a platform 2. mud-shedding design 3. tension adjustment its perfect for muddy conditions and you can still use your bike if you want to buy pandesal...hehehe...just my two cents
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Post by brothermoe on Oct 22, 2007 21:47:06 GMT 8
To all Shimano SPD users: Do you encounter a hotspot or burning sensation on the balls of your feet while riding? baboinsky: Yes I do. In fact, there's also numbness on long rides. Something like pins and needles. I use PD-M515s and as far as I can tell, they're OK for road use but next to useless when riding in mud (which is the whole point of MTB riding in any case - get dirty). The pedals are very hard to clip into when filled with mud and you can't just put your feet on them unclipped on technical trails because they'll slip and you'll crash and probably break something. Another downside is they're very hard to clean. I had to use a pressure washer to be able to clean them completely. A toothbrush would take ages and a garden hose... well, good luck. To sum things up, I'd get rid of my 515s in a heartbeat if I had something to replace them with.
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Post by mountguitars on Oct 23, 2007 1:38:25 GMT 8
crank brother pedals are ok except when the cleats are pudpod na so that's means you have to buy new cleats at P700 at velocity. using worn out cleats can be dangerous becoz there's this sense of false security: you think you're engaged but you're just half engaged (hehe, do i make sense?). just ask hermi of velocity. he's had this awful experience using worn out cleats. ;D
by the way, anybody here knows a cheaper source of crank brother cleats?
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Post by mountguitars on Oct 23, 2007 1:45:09 GMT 8
I just had my PD-520 "repacked" last Friday. I think it was the 3rd time since I got them last year. Anyway, I asked Butchoy of Sta. Rosa Bikehauz if it's better to get crank brothers pedals with regards maintenance. He told me to just stay with Shimano pedals because it is easier and cheaper to maintain as compared to the crank brothers. Bearings of Shimano are sturdier than that of Crank Bros. He also advised if I wish to upgrade... go for XTR pedals... and it's cheaper as compared to the high-end crank bros. i never knew shimanos can be repacked, hehehe. ;D crank brother pedals can be repacked and its actually easy (if you have the right tools and if you know what to do). but as always, shimano gets my vote. bang for your buck. its affordable and the cleats dont fade (dehins napupudpod). its good for all around use. plus, you can also adjust the tension. though i use my eggbeaters on my XC race rig. its for special occassions, hehehe. ;D . for everything else, its SPD for me.
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Post by mountguitars on Oct 23, 2007 1:49:45 GMT 8
joby, the spring mechanism on the eggbeaters are pretty sturdy. i have the original 2002 models. and have hit them many times on roots, rocks, etc without any problems. i personally haven't heard of anyone breaking theirs either. Thanks, man. Another question, I heard that if one side of the egbeater breaks, all other sides are broken, too. That daw is the nature of this particular system. Unlike shimanos, if one side breaks, you can still clip into the other side. mine are like bashed and mashed a couple of times too but its still alive and kicking. pretty tough, i should say. took me like 2 years before i decided repacking them. good thing hermi says its still intact. and you can also get internal rebuild kits just in case at velocity. .
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Post by shuzzs on Oct 23, 2007 8:01:16 GMT 8
Yup. Shimano pedals can easily be repacked or re-greased. Actually I was able to completely disassemble my 520s (including the bearings) by using an old sock and my trusty vice-grip. ;D
For those people who find disengaging on SPDs quite difficult, better use the multi-release cleats (SH-56). I just bought one (500 pesos) last Friday to replace the single release cleats and tested them last Sunday on a Reverse-Palace-Gotohan-Cardiac route. I felt more confident riding engaged on my pedals even on single tracks. Even though you can release vertically on the multi-release cleats, they do not disengage when you are spinning (pulling hard) uphills.
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Post by Lui-G on Oct 23, 2007 8:20:19 GMT 8
I love my Eggbeaters too and have been using them for almost 6months now. Got them as used from a good friend and upon receipt of said item, I emailed Crankbrothers directly, inquiring where to get the plastic end caps and on how/what to do to keep said pedals in tip-top shape. I was generously informed that they can have it rebuilt for me or they can send me the rebuild kit, I opted for the latter.
After 3 weeks, I received the rebuild kit (bushings, bearings, end-caps, O-rings...etc, with free sticker logo) via United States Postal Service (USPS), at no charge/s at all! (But of course, you have to pay Customs duties, around P70, I think) Now that's the greatest after-sales service I've ever experienced! Considering there are rebuild kits available for less than a thousand pesos (I think).
Just sharing...
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Post by king on Oct 23, 2007 9:28:48 GMT 8
hmm i ought to try that. you cant get a rebuild kit for the original 2002 eggbeaters at velo. they only have them for the newer models.
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Post by Lui-G on Oct 23, 2007 9:56:18 GMT 8
Yes sir King, better check with them. Mine was the 2005 model but the rebuild kit they sent was for the newer models as the end caps are those made of aluminums already, it worked though.
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Post by mountguitars on Oct 24, 2007 2:02:34 GMT 8
I love my Eggbeaters too and have been using them for almost 6months now. Got them as used from a good friend and upon receipt of said item, I emailed Crankbrothers directly, inquiring where to get the plastic end caps and on how/what to do to keep said pedals in tip-top shape. I was generously informed that they can have it rebuilt for me or they can send me the rebuild kit, I opted for the latter. After 3 weeks, I received the rebuild kit (bushings, bearings, end-caps, O-rings...etc, with free sticker logo) via United States Postal Service (USPS), at no charge/s at all! (But of course, you have to pay Customs duties, around P70, I think) Now that's the greatest after-sales service I've ever experienced! Considering there are rebuild kits available for less than a thousand pesos (I think). Just sharing... hey lui-G, thanks for sharing. you said yours was replaced with aluminuum? how heavy is the aluminuum cap compared to the plastic? is it more durable now as compared to the plastic? hmmm.......i'll try sending them an email too, hehehe. ;D. try ko lang, who knows, i might get a sticker as well, hehehe ;D
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