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Post by albatross99 on Dec 11, 2016 21:28:00 GMT 8
Hi sir Anthrax and sir konablack I need your advise and sa lahat. knina nung nagtry ako magclear ng gutter sa espanya I was on 25kph speed I think. Ayun about 1 and a half feet ata yung gutter I tried to hop and ayun pinched flat nangyare hehehe. Sa rear wheel and medyo nayupi considering I was 230 LBS?... Buti yun lang and di ako nagcrash kasi nag roll naman tires. Sa tingin niyo ano pa ba dapat ko gawin bawasan ko aggression ko on practice? What should I consider? And how can I improve my hop? For a more safer ride and practice? Thanks and also what can I do daily to improve my skills on clearing obstacles?. Thanks sa mga magshare ng ginawa niyo to improve. Bonus question po sana papano ko po magagamit 7speed cogs ko sa shimano non series na bolt type hubs and possible po ba? Salamat po ulet.
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 11, 2016 22:00:44 GMT 8
Q: Sa tingin niyo ano pa ba dapat ko gawin bawasan ko aggression ko on practice?
A: Practice more actually. kesa gutter, subukan mo muna shoe box or a 2x4 piece of wood. subukan mo front and rear wheel lift. if you can clear that without hitting it, tsaka mo subukan sa gutter.
Q: What should I consider?
A: Skill level, speed, height of lift, height of obstacle and most importantly, timing.
Q: And how can I improve my hop? For a more safer ride and practice?
A: Hmm....again, practice. If you can clear a 2x4, clear a shoe box, clear two shoe boxes, clear 3 shoe boxes. If you want try concrete, try speed bumps.
Q:Bonus question po sana papano ko po magagamit 7speed cogs ko sa shimano non series na bolt type hubs and possible po ba?
A: Kung bolt type and cassette mo, then cassette hubs it is. Kung bolt type, then use bolt type hubs.
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 11, 2016 22:31:35 GMT 8
Wow parang nasagot ang dasal ko sa matinong sagot sir Anthrax the best ka talaga! Tama wag ako magmadali hehehe gusto ko na kasing magawa yung ginagawa mo sa last Sharing Sessions natin. Hehehe. Sige I'll try to ask my LBS na din on hubs nabarag ko na din kasi hubs ko kanina lang...
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 11, 2016 22:35:27 GMT 8
Q: Sa tingin niyo ano pa ba dapat ko gawin bawasan ko aggression ko on practice? A: Practice more actually. kesa gutter, subukan mo muna shoe box or a 2x4 piece of wood. subukan mo front and rear wheel lift. if you can clear that without hitting it, tsaka mo subukan sa gutter. Q: What should I consider? A: Skill level, speed, height of lift, height of obstacle and most importantly, timing. Q: And how can I improve my hop? For a more safer ride and practice? A: Hmm....again, practice. If you can clear a 2x4, clear a shoe box, clear two shoe boxes, clear 3 shoe boxes. If you want try concrete, try speed bumps. Q:Bonus question po sana papano ko po magagamit 7speed cogs ko sa shimano non series na bolt type hubs and possible po ba? A: Kung bolt type and cassette mo, then cassette hubs it is. Kung bolt type, then use bolt type hubs. Napaka helpful po nito this means a lot to me sir godbless you more po. |
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Post by xmayor on Dec 11, 2016 22:37:14 GMT 8
hmmmm.... kelangan ko ng madaming shoe box nito. 😮
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 11, 2016 22:43:27 GMT 8
hmmmm.... kelangan ko ng madaming shoe box nito. 😮 2x4 mas matibay po. Haha |
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 11, 2016 23:09:19 GMT 8
ah, heto pa, try to bunnyhop multiple times sunod sunod. 'di ba, compress, explode, lift and jump. paglanding, absorb mo yung impact tapos yun na ang compressed position mo, explode ulit.
no need to get the height, ang mahalaga maitalon mo yung bike, mga 4 to 5 times in a single run. ginatamit ko yung exercise na ito para masanay ako na makabwelo agad.
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 11, 2016 23:42:11 GMT 8
ah, heto pa, try to bunnyhop multiple times sunod sunod. 'di ba, compress, explode, lift and jump. paglanding, absorb mo yung impact tapos yun na ang compressed position mo, explode ulit. no need to get the height, ang mahalaga maitalon mo yung bike, mga 4 to 5 times in a single run. ginatamit ko yung exercise na ito para masanay ako na makabwelo agad. ok sir salamat last question avid fan mo talaga ako... San ko pa makikita mga kagrupo mo sa pinoy trials? Active pa ba sila? Nakita ko ibang post mo dun last 2010 or 2008 pa ata. |
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 11, 2016 23:45:03 GMT 8
May times na maganda talon ko at smooth sabay na sabay halos front and rear wheel. May times din na halos front lang naangat hehehe maybe I should practice lifting my rear wheel more often.
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Post by konablack on Dec 12, 2016 7:37:56 GMT 8
Start slow first, then progress your speed. Compression and weightshift are important.  |
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Post by spyghost on Dec 12, 2016 8:19:49 GMT 8
for starters, i'd say i still do a lousy bunny hop, so that makes me a bit less worthy in preaching, but what i can do is provide a few tips, and practice progressions
if you can't do a 'full pledged' hop yet, try transitioning from a manual front lift to a rear wheel lift. think of it as a 3 step process: (1) manual front wheel lift, (2) pause, (3), rear wheel lift. do this hundreds if not thousands of times on flat ground. don't force yourself into pulling up the rear wheel while your front wheel is airborne... trust me, it will come naturally. just let your CNS and endurance get used to the feeling. as you progress, you'll notice that (2) will become shorter until you get to the point where (1) long count followed by a quick (2). it helps if you count with your head, 1, 2, 3... 1, 2, 3... 1 (pronounced as onnnneeee), 2... 1 (pronounced as onnnneeee), 2... 1 (the real bunny hop). hope this makes sense. again, it doesn't take overnight. this takes a long time to master so don't force yourself and don't stress yourself. like i said, it will come naturally. each one is different.
another tip in manual is that the force should come from the hips down. not the a$$ being thrown rearward. what makes the front wheel rise and fall is the pump that the legs do. the a$$ is just for counterbalance (ie front wheel unweight). videos show that the rider in a manual front wheel lift moves his a$$ back and forth, but this is just an effect. in reality what the rider is doing is moving his legs front and back via the hip joint - this is the cause. there's a huge difference between imitating how it's done and feeling how it's done. this is a bit tough grasp since you have to feel both hand and pedal pressure to make it happen - literally like hanging in an unstable platform that moves in both axes. another tough paradigm shift in manual is that you throw the bike forward and not throw yourself backward - remember pedal pressure.
hoping and jumping while they look astig! and feel fun requires a ton of energy to perform, even when done from a transition (ie ramp), just less tiring as there is an assist. tbh i get tired far more easily hopping/jumping compared to doing a standing climb.
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 12, 2016 11:12:18 GMT 8
ah one more thing, what you saw us doing during the sessions are years and years and years of practice, trial and error, semplangs, blood, sweat and tears (not to mention a lot of broken hubs, bearings and misaligned rims). so don't fret if you're not getting it in a month, two months, half a year. i started learning how to bunnyhop watching bmx'ers near our place when i was 14. my first real 2 wheels off the ground (not even clearing anything) was a year later, and i was on a bmx, which is a whole lot easier to learn with.
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Post by spyghost on Dec 12, 2016 11:59:03 GMT 8
not to discourage, but i've been riding for more than 3 years, but i still do a lousy hop and an inconsistent manual  honestly, a rear wheel lift is easier than a manual front wheel lift (for me that is) |
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Post by simplej0ys on Dec 12, 2016 12:55:51 GMT 8
And I still do have that fear that lingers na baka maputulan ako ng tinidor. Yun ang madalas mangyari sakin during the BMX years.
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Post by konablack on Dec 12, 2016 13:47:43 GMT 8
I have my fears as well, especially when going full lean back on a bmx bike (manual) i can't even stay on the rear wheel like for 5 seconds because when i reach the balance point. But it really helps to start learning the bunnyhop on a bmx bike The low seat helps in giving you space for the weight shift. Maybe we should start scheduling the urban assault rides again hihihi |
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Post by konablack on Dec 12, 2016 13:52:10 GMT 8
Hi sir Anthrax and sir konablack I need your advise and sa lahat. knina nung nagtry ako magclear ng gutter sa espanya I was on 25kph speed I think. Ayun about 1 and a half feet ata yung gutter I tried to hop and ayun pinched flat nangyare hehehe. Sa rear wheel and medyo nayupi considering I was 230 LBS?... Buti yun lang and di ako nagcrash kasi nag roll naman tires. Sa tingin niyo ano pa ba dapat ko gawin bawasan ko aggression ko on practice? What should I consider? And how can I improve my hop? For a more safer ride and practice? Thanks and also what can I do daily to improve my skills on clearing obstacles?. Thanks sa mga magshare ng ginawa niyo to improve. Bonus question po sana papano ko po magagamit 7speed cogs ko sa shimano non series na bolt type hubs and possible po ba? Salamat po ulet. Ride every day! Practice with someone that is also learning |
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 12, 2016 13:52:29 GMT 8
same here, i also have fears regarding my front wheel. any height higher than a foot, i have the fear of being washed out and land on my back. wheelie or manual has always been difficult/impossible for me. hanggang ngayon kailangan ko pa rin overcome yun. i tried practicing a lot of wheelies once, pero mali mali ang landing ng front wheel, isang linggo masakit ang pulso ko. i can't even squeeze an orange properly sobrang sakit.
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Post by xmayor on Dec 12, 2016 14:33:43 GMT 8
if you can't do a 'full pledged' hop yet, try transitioning from a manual front lift to a rear wheel lift. think of it as a 3 step process: (1) manual front wheel lift, (2) pause, (3), rear wheel lift. do this hundreds if not thousands of times on flat ground. still can't figure out how to lift the rear wheel... hangang (1) and (2) lang ako, hehehe! |
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 12, 2016 14:51:39 GMT 8
Rear wheel lift, hmm....easier demo'ed than described, ha ha ha. Here's how i divide it. 1) Off the bike, imagine scraping off gum or poop from your sole. Remember that motion, if you can't just remember the foot position and motion. 2) On the bike, there are a few things that will happen in an instant. Push a little or grab the handlebar so you'll have body tension to push down on the pedals. Slightly point your toes down, this makes the pedals diagonal. Do the foot scraping motion to pull up the rear wheel to your butt. 3) When you pull the rear wheel, bend your knees. You might do the scraping motion without bending the knees, it won't work that way, he he. Things to note: 1) You might want to move your body weight forward from the saddle a little. 2) Twist the wrists a little forward, your pivot point is the front hub, keep that in mind for now. 3) You'll be lifting the rear wheel, try not to slam it down while landing  |
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Post by xmayor on Dec 12, 2016 15:04:20 GMT 8
thank you sir anthrax76! though, i still have few more questions... 1) Off the bike, imagine scraping off gum or poop from your sole. is it scrapping forward motion, as if the "gum" is on the heel part? or is it backward motion, as if the poop is on the toe part?  2) Slightly point your toes down, this makes the pedals diagonal. Do the foot scraping motion to pull up the rear wheel to your butt. so both toes must be pointing down? at this point, the pedals are in 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock position, right? would you suggest putting best foot forward (right foot if right handed) or it doesn't matter? |
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 12, 2016 15:16:25 GMT 8
is it scrapping forward motion, as if the "gum" is on the heel part? or is it backward motion, as if the poop is on the toe part? Hmm...i never thought of what part of the foot you're actually scraping, ha ha ha. As long as you got the scraping/scooping motion of the foot where you press down and scrape, it's all good. so both toes must be pointing down? at this point, the pedals are in 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock position, right? would you suggest putting best foot forward (right foot if right handed) or it doesn't matter? Your choco foot or favored foot should be forward. I'm right handed but my choco foot is the left. And yeah, all ten toes must be pointing downwards because you're pressing diagonally on the pedals so you the pins dig in your soles and then you can lift the rear wheel. |
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Post by xmayor on Dec 12, 2016 15:46:24 GMT 8
thank you sir anthrax76 really need to practice lifting the rear wheel. whenever i try bunking on gutters, i'm able to clear off the front wheel but always ended up on dragging the rear wheel up the gutter. hehehe! |
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Post by jrocket803 on Dec 12, 2016 16:17:51 GMT 8
Try this
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Post by spyghost on Dec 12, 2016 17:02:07 GMT 8
ok, to break things down... try these progressions. this regardless of the bike, sus, geo, wheel size. the principle is the same 'for all of them'
- drop your a$$ by flexing your lower body... hips, knees and ankles as if your pumping with your legs and rise up. you are not aiming for a lift yet. just get used to the feeling of compression and popping up. repeat over and over 'a lot' literally. what your aiming for is to feel the pressure between your hands on the bars and feet and pedals. only proceed to the next once you feel this as it's important.
- to initiate a lift, do the above, but this time use the pressure between your hands and feet to pivot on the front axle. at the exact moment that you've unweighted your rr wheel, twist the bars a bit. important thing is to maintain pedal contact by feeling the pressure on your feet. the closest analogy i have here is picking up something like a cup, bowl or glass by grasping the inside (not outside). you have to put pressure in the inside front and back in order to lift. hope this makes sense.
like i said earlier, there's a big difference between imitating a move and feeling how it is done in order to do it. simply looking at something does not let you see that there is actually both hand pressure and feet pressure that enables pivoting on the fr axle and lifts the rr wheel.
is there timing involved? yes. twist the bars ahead of time and you wont lift. twist the bars late and you wont lift. pop slowly and you loose the compression (even hardtails compress). pop too quickly and you go off the pedals. tbh, the word compression is a it misleading and the tagalog equivalent is more descriptive which is 'bwelo'
do the bars really have to be twisted? not really. you cab lift without twisting, but better get used to the sensation early on as you need wrist movement in bunny hop. also the lift becomes more pronounced and powerful so to speak with the twist.
btw, don't grab the brakes. not because it's dangerous but it's not a rr wheel lift but a fr wheel rock.
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 12, 2016 18:14:00 GMT 8
A little lengthy pero heto pa yung ibang application ng rear wheel lift.
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Post by spyghost on Dec 12, 2016 18:17:28 GMT 8
A little lengthy pero heto pa yung ibang application ng rear wheel lift. the rolling endo... a freakishly scary advanced cool move... |
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Post by spyghost on Dec 12, 2016 18:48:28 GMT 8
if you analyze neil's movements in all videos that he does that involves a front wheel lift, he always mentions the L shape. you have to take note that he emphasizes this because this is the effect of the pumping movement. there will always be pedal and hand pressure, otherwise there will be no lift. another way to put the manual front wheel lift is to push your bike away with your arms. the moment that the push of the arms becomes a pull, you push with your legs... hope this makes sense btw, trust your back brake during manuals. whenever you feel your about to loop out, dab your rr brake. assuming it's working properly, you'll immediately drop your fr wheel. dont worry much about control. it will come later on |
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 12, 2016 20:34:14 GMT 8
Start slow first, then progress your speed. Compression and weightshift are important. salamat sir! grabe gulpi wheelset ko nakakatakot na gamitin. |
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 12, 2016 20:36:56 GMT 8
for starters, i'd say i still do a lousy bunny hop, so that makes me a bit less worthy in preaching, but what i can do is provide a few tips, and practice progressions if you can't do a 'full pledged' hop yet, try transitioning from a manual front lift to a rear wheel lift. think of it as a 3 step process: (1) manual front wheel lift, (2) pause, (3), rear wheel lift. do this hundreds if not thousands of times on flat ground. don't force yourself into pulling up the rear wheel while your front wheel is airborne... trust me, it will come naturally. just let your CNS and endurance get used to the feeling. as you progress, you'll notice that (2) will become shorter until you get to the point where (1) long count followed by a quick (2). it helps if you count with your head, 1, 2, 3... 1, 2, 3... 1 (pronounced as onnnneeee), 2... 1 (pronounced as onnnneeee), 2... 1 (the real bunny hop). hope this makes sense. again, it doesn't take overnight. this takes a long time to master so don't force yourself and don't stress yourself. like i said, it will come naturally. each one is different. another tip in manual is that the force should come from the hips down. not the a$$ being thrown rearward. what makes the front wheel rise and fall is the pump that the legs do. the a$$ is just for counterbalance (ie front wheel unweight). videos show that the rider in a manual front wheel lift moves his a$$ back and forth, but this is just an effect. in reality what the rider is doing is moving his legs front and back via the hip joint - this is the cause. there's a huge difference between imitating how it's done and feeling how it's done. this is a bit tough grasp since you have to feel both hand and pedal pressure to make it happen - literally like hanging in an unstable platform that moves in both axes. another tough paradigm shift in manual is that you throw the bike forward and not throw yourself backward - remember pedal pressure. hoping and jumping while they look astig! and feel fun requires a ton of energy to perform, even when done from a transition (ie ramp), just less tiring as there is an assist. tbh i get tired far more easily hopping/jumping compared to doing a standing climb. thanks sir😆 |
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Post by albatross99 on Dec 12, 2016 20:41:35 GMT 8
ah one more thing, what you saw us doing during the sessions are years and years and years of practice, trial and error, semplangs, blood, sweat and tears (not to mention a lot of broken hubs, bearings and misaligned rims). so don't fret if you're not getting it in a month, two months, half a year. i started learning how to bunnyhop watching bmx'ers near our place when i was 14. my first real 2 wheels off the ground (not even clearing anything) was a year later, and i was on a bmx, which is a whole lot easier to learn with. oks sir... kaya pala antagal dumating sakin ng ilaw... hehehe sana kumutitap na and ayun bunny hop effortless...😆 |
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honestly, a rear wheel lift is easier than a manual front wheel lift (for me that is)
