aidz
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Post by aidz on Jan 31, 2007 19:55:43 GMT 8
w/c is better? i know the bullit is a classic frame but the vpfree has VPP design.  I can't afford to keep two frames, i need to dispose one! Bullit(2004) or VP-free(2005)?   |
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Post by g.b.b on Jan 31, 2007 20:16:11 GMT 8
if you're into DH......go for bullit and if your ride is all mountain and XC i'll choose VPfree..... it helps you push uphills
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 31, 2007 20:31:14 GMT 8
if you're into DH......go for VPfree
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Post by Patrick on Jan 31, 2007 20:59:50 GMT 8
If your into both ... go for the vpfree
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Post by g.b.b on Jan 31, 2007 21:20:16 GMT 8
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 31, 2007 21:28:54 GMT 8
VP free is the way to go> free ride, Dual chain ring set up.
(not a fan of single pivots obviously biased hehehehe)
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aidz
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Post by aidz on Jan 31, 2007 21:36:07 GMT 8
GBB, i hope i could keep both..if that happens malamang frame lang yung isa pang display sa wall kasi no more budget for other parts!
Rocketman, isn't yung vp-free similar to the bullit advantage lang is it has yung VPP technology w/c until now dehins ko gets?
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Post by g.b.b on Jan 31, 2007 21:41:49 GMT 8
VPP (virtual pivot point) according to ogie of pasig boys, helps you push the bike goin uphills..... he also owns VPFree i dunno what year model........ here's a better explanation... www.santacruzbikes.co.uk/vpp/if i were you....... i'll choose the VPP frame....... |
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aidz
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Post by aidz on Jan 31, 2007 21:46:04 GMT 8
hehehe! as of now 3 of 3 for the VP-free. So uphill benefits lang pala? Maybe this is the frame for me kasi i also plan to use this for trail riding.
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P-jhay
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Post by P-jhay on Jan 31, 2007 22:05:37 GMT 8
VP free!!! all the way!!! Freeride, downhill, etc  |
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Post by anshwa on Jan 31, 2007 22:28:45 GMT 8
If you could afford both bikes, you could afford to change pivots & links so I say go for the VP-Free.
The Bullit would be a lighter bike & very easy to maintain. The VP-Free may be a little heavier but it pedals way better than the Bullit. Plus you'll never feel any brake jack when you're riding DH.
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Post by puregutz on Jan 31, 2007 23:00:21 GMT 8
Aidz thats very simple. Go for the santacruz bike! Better DH and uphill.
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PraeTorian
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Post by PraeTorian on Feb 1, 2007 9:54:52 GMT 8
comfy ride - go for the vpfree or any vpp frame....
sturdiness and ease of maintenance - go for the bullit or any single pivot frame....
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Post by Blister T on Feb 1, 2007 10:43:02 GMT 8
it all depends on the type of riding you do. hard choice since both bikes are very versatile. but if u ask me, id keep the VPFree, excellent in DH and freeride and the VPP will make it better than the Bullit for AM use.
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Feb 1, 2007 11:42:09 GMT 8
if given the chance id trade in my bullit for a vpfree.....its a better all around bike...but im lovin my bullit...btw james wat sat....
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Post by >rocketman> on Feb 5, 2007 19:15:04 GMT 8
Aidz keep the two santa cruzes in yor stable
single pivots is nice na , because we have now platfrom shocks (dhx, 5th)
brake jack? u fab floating rear disc brake ask jonga ex buliit rider where,
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aidz
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Post by aidz on Feb 5, 2007 20:07:40 GMT 8
Rocketman, i want too but i can't afford to keep two SC bikes. I hope yung VPP w/ the help of DHX will eliminate brake jack.. haven't assembled my vp-free yet(haven't decided what color to paint it?black or pearlized white?) pero based on my experience w/ the bullit it stil has brake jack even if you have a DHX shox.
OT: for sale Fox DHX 5.0(coil) 8.5i2i w/ 350pounds spring rate.
PM me for those who are interested. ;D
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Post by quiesledaddy on Feb 6, 2007 12:17:31 GMT 8
unless we all ride like the top pro's, we won't feel brakejack!!!! i rode some bullits on a couple of races and i didn't feel it. the bikes i build for Joey B. has little or close to no brake jack. nothing that i could feel if it did have it. keep the VPP, sell bullit, get more parts  Vpp really works, but if pedaled BMX style, like mashing it really hard on the downward pedal stroke, it still bobs a little, pedal properly and instant "no-bob" |
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Post by wadesingson on Feb 6, 2007 13:20:26 GMT 8
VPP's are nice - you feel like your sitting in the bike rather than on top of it. its a weird feeling i get when i sit on ogie's nomad or VP Free. I guess its because of the amount of sag the design runs. it feels really secure. the feeling i get when i ride a bullit is I am on top of the bike - dont know if this helps aidz, but thats just my 2 cents...
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Post by dayuhan on Feb 8, 2007 6:59:19 GMT 8
Neither of these bikes is really made to be a trail/AM ride, and either will be pretty heavy and pretty clunky in that role, unless you spend a fortune on light parts and compromise performance on the role the bikes are made for.
So you gotta ask yourself, and answer honestly, what kind of riding are you really gonna do on your average riding day? If you want a big hit FR bike and DH racer that will occasionally be used on trails, keep the VP Free and live with the fact that it's never going to be an ideal trail bike.
If you want a rugged-end trail bike that do some hits and some freeriding and the occasional DH race - in other words, if the primary use of the bike is trail/AM - sell 'em both and buy a Nomad.
A bike like the VP Free is made fpr pretty massive abuse. If you don't have the skills to give it that kind of abuse, or if you don't have access to riding areas offering that kind of abuse, you're just paying for a lot of strength and carrying a lot of weight that you're not actually using.
I only say this because I have seen a fair number of people building big-hit FR/DH bikes and then riding them like trail bikes. If you want a trail bike, build a trail bike! Of course if you want a kick-ass FR/DH ride, the VP Free is up there with the best of them...
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Post by g.b.b on Feb 8, 2007 7:28:50 GMT 8
here's another input dude.......... go for VPP.
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Post by gt on Mar 20, 2007 22:05:29 GMT 8
Go For VP free
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Post by skarhed on Mar 21, 2007 1:58:57 GMT 8
Jackal! hehehe I love my hardtail...  |
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Post by wadesingson on Mar 21, 2007 8:27:20 GMT 8
Nice bike aidz. I guess you felt the difference last weekend at peak2 |
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Post by XP on Mar 21, 2007 11:49:20 GMT 8
wow go for vp free mr.aidz!
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