dranrev
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Post by dranrev on Jan 6, 2007 21:00:40 GMT 8
I am planning to buy a new crankset and fork which do you recommend? Please post pros and cons. Thanks.
Crankset
Truvative Firex or Shimano Hone
Fork
Manitou Splice '06 or Suntour XCR 07
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Post by Poseur on Jan 6, 2007 21:28:41 GMT 8
shimano hone. outboard BB.
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Post by Patrick on Jan 6, 2007 22:08:37 GMT 8
shimano hone. outboard BB. |
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soctrumbiker
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Post by soctrumbiker on Jan 7, 2007 4:49:49 GMT 8
Go for Hone hollowtech 2
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dranrev
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Post by dranrev on Jan 7, 2007 7:34:15 GMT 8
Thanks for the replies btw I also added another question about the fork, ( I don't want to start another thread  ) I am looking for a good 130 mm fork and my budget is limited to 4-5K. Above are the thing that I am thinking but other recommendations are welcome. Thanks again and God Bless. |
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Post by imusbiker on Jan 7, 2007 10:36:49 GMT 8
Hey Dranrev! Cranks: The Hone suggests an all-mountain/trailbike look, while Firex is common in XC set-ups. For your bike, I vote for Hone. The Truvativ GXP models have outboard BB too, by the way. Forks: Personally, I feel a little difference between the two, but of course Suntours are way cheaper. Durability is still under testing. |
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dranrev
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Post by dranrev on Jan 7, 2007 13:52:52 GMT 8
@imus biker thanks for the info btw nice meeting you and thanks for the patience. ;D. I've learned new things about MTB. I am planning to replace my setup this month if God permits . See you on our next ride. I will post our pix soon. |
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Post by ewik on Jan 7, 2007 16:27:42 GMT 8
Go for XCP's. i have mine abused for one year now & it is still intact. you just have to use it right & must have a frequent maintenance also. *abused & still abusin' it  |
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Post by nhan on Jan 8, 2007 13:59:02 GMT 8
go for xcr, i'm using xcr on my bike and its torture tested, still abusing it, and besides its cheaper... go for it... new xcr have lockouts and thats a value added feature for a very good/budget fork. for the crank, either of the two, but if your setup is all mountain, go for the hone, firex is for XC use, which has both outboard BB (firex gxp). FYI  |
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mountainmark
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Post by mountainmark on Jan 8, 2007 14:30:21 GMT 8
im using HONE and its worth paying for.
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Post by imusbiker on Jan 8, 2007 15:34:09 GMT 8
That's why the XCR is always out of stock!! Dranrev, you better call the LBS first so you won't waste time travelling down from Trece Martires. Wait, it should be RBS for you (remote bike shop) hehehe, cheers!! |
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Post by cobym on Jan 8, 2007 15:39:46 GMT 8
Hone over the Firex. I have both. The Hone shifts much easier and quicker. Looks meaner too.
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 8, 2007 16:58:05 GMT 8
i've never owned a shimano crank with outboard bb's but from owning 2 firex GXP cranks here's what i have to say: THEY ARE @#$%.
go for shimano.
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Post by king on Jan 8, 2007 17:03:33 GMT 8
jon, more feedback naman sa gxps. what's wrong with them?
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Post by xctofi on Jan 8, 2007 17:05:49 GMT 8
jon, more feedback naman sa gxps. what's wrong with them? ditto!     |
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Post by COLLAGJIERO™ on Jan 8, 2007 17:17:51 GMT 8
hmmm... strong words coming from a weight weenie guro. very well said, jon. now, care to elaborate why its " @#$%"? how long have you been keeping this to yourself? finding it hard to open up? tell us, whats wrong? peace jon! but seriously, whats wrong with them? why dont you email them just like tofi did. im sure sram would love to hear that bad news u have for them. ingat n god bless!
PS: do you think that the stylo team could possibly be a failure as well? their difference are the bb and that the stylo model used an alloy bolts instead of steel.
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Post by pitbiker on Jan 8, 2007 17:27:38 GMT 8
i've never owned a shimano crank with outboard bb's but from owning 2 firex GXP cranks here's what i have to say: THEY ARE @#$%. go for shimano. Jon I'm also interested why such comments??? I also have the same crank like what tofi and kat have. thanks brad |
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Post by nhan on Jan 8, 2007 17:36:29 GMT 8
i've never owned a shimano crank with outboard bb's but from owning 2 firex GXP cranks here's what i have to say: THEY ARE @#$%. go for shimano. sir jon, please elaborate more for us to be enlightened coz i'm planning to buy a firex gxp as well. Please need your inputs sir. Advance thanks |
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 8, 2007 17:43:50 GMT 8
i've never owned a shimano crank with outboard bb's but from owning 2 firex GXP cranks here's what i have to say: THEY ARE @#$%. go for shimano. Jon I'm also interested why such comments??? I also have the same crank like what tofi and kat have. thanks brad my '07 crank is stuck. it can hardly budge. i took of the chain, bike upside down, tried moving the crank, stuck. darn thing was never soaked in water. darn thing was practically new. pete says it can be on the locking mechanism of the crank itself which is way different from shimano's and is not user friendly. so i'll have to get a tool to fix the problem. the darn mechanic might've over tightened the crank to the point that its squeezing the bearings. again, it has something to do with how the cranks are installed. another thing to consider is how the bearings get easily dirty. i bet shimano's are sealed/covered pretty well against dirt and the like. my cranks are like vacuum cleaners that suck in dirt. i find the gap between the crank arm and the outboard bearing too big. they're just good looking to be quite honest especially the '07 which has a glossy finish. best cranks in the world are shimano's i'll just wait till the my octalink bb breaks on my shawn h2 and i'll get a hone. if only shimano didnt focus so much with the DCL they could've wiped out the competition in almost every aspect, IMHO, hehehe. ;D . now they're back to triggers and their crank even looks retro, hehehe. |
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Post by king on Jan 8, 2007 17:47:13 GMT 8
sounds more like a problem with your mechanic |
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 8, 2007 17:57:32 GMT 8
sounds more like a problem with your mechanic i guess so. but if the cranks' installation was user friendly like shimano's then the problem could've been prevented in the first place. pete says shimano's have locking pins for the bearings that you can install vertically. guess how truvativ locks their bearings into place. like this: ------> bearings <-------. the bearings are squeezed in between. so i guess a good tip would be is to check if your crank spins smoothly after installation. if it doesn't then there's definitely something wrong with the installation. and dont even think that the crank needs breaking in or the grease is too thick or whatever. no second guessing. there's something wrong with the installation. have it installed properly. |
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Post by Ben Dover on Jan 8, 2007 18:05:29 GMT 8
170? i'm willing to swap my 175 fsa v-drive with your @#$%..hehe!
just hope that truvativ BB will stay super snug.
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 8, 2007 18:08:34 GMT 8
here's another thing. my '06 firex GXP cranks are spinning somewhat smoothly, thank god, with some occassional grit. but every time i have to clean my bike, i have to pressure wash the gap between the outboard bearing and the crank arm. guess what comes out? lots of dirt, and minute pebbles. so you you might be thinking that im washing my bike the wrong way? guess what if i just leave the bearings as is with all the dirt inside? i dont want to find out.
now how do i lube it? i use a lubricant similar to WD40. again, you might think im doing it incorrectly but as long as i lube my bearings as often as i can, i dont think i'll have any problems with it. and even when i spray lube the d@mn bearings from the gap dirt still comes out. so i guess i have to dissable the whole thing to clean it thoughroughly. question is, how often do i do this? living proof that what im doing isnt that bad is that my '06 cranks spin smoothly as compared to my '07 whom i have yet to spray lube.
so moral of the story: GXP's got this big "gap" issue.
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 8, 2007 18:13:54 GMT 8
In your face, Truvativ lovers! he he he ;D
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Post by xctofi on Jan 8, 2007 18:14:36 GMT 8
we're a bit OT on this thread,sorry Dranrev if we hijacked your thread.
Jon,i hope you took pics when it was being removed etc. am seeing dirt build up as well on the outboard BB's on my FireX GXP but still very minimal and so far it's still performing properly and smoothly.hope i dont encounter the same issue. there's like 4 of us (i know of) who has the same type of cranks here.
By the way Dranrev, I dont think you indicated the type of riding you do. folks can recommend the best for use and budget components if we have an idea of the type of riding its gonna be used for.
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Post by BrusKO on Jan 8, 2007 18:23:21 GMT 8
Been using outboard bearing type of crank for about 3 weeks only. Word of mouth is, it's MORE durable than the conventional cassette type bearing. Still have to find that out from myself.
Tofi, I think Dranrev is only choosing between Truva chuva and Shimano-mano- regardless of his riding style.
Chat on!
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Post by whoopi on Jan 8, 2007 18:26:05 GMT 8
jon: what! after i just got a truvativ firex? after i followed your weight weenie list??! ;D you know, this is the same crankset whose left arm fell off twice while MICHELLE and i were in batanes. i thought it was just installed improperly too, and that my BB-mounted FD had something to do with it. so i brought it to Extreme, they blamed my FD too, changed it to a frame-mounted one, reinstalled my cranks, and i haven't had problems with it again yet. although, now i carry an 8mm hex tool just to be sure. so.... i need to ditch the firex?
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dranrev
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Post by dranrev on Jan 8, 2007 18:36:09 GMT 8
Thanks for the replies. I will get Shimano Hone and Suntour XCR-DA. If you can recommend a local LBS who have this item please send me a PM. God Bless us all. imusbiker biker, yeah your are right RBS ;D |
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Post by xctofi on Jan 8, 2007 18:38:33 GMT 8
Tofi, I think Dranrev is only choosing between Truva chuva and Shimano-mano- regardless of his riding style. Chat on! yeah, i know, but i want to know him better. he might be into PS2 or arcade games etc.... ;D ;D ;D common mistake kasi that we sometimes have is choosing stuff that "looks nice" instead of "works best (and look nice at the same time)" . |
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 8, 2007 18:42:35 GMT 8
as requested:  as you can see, lotsa dirt on the gap (between crank arm and the OBB). i dont own a shimano OBB crank yet but from what i can tell, this firex @#$% sucks! roche, no need to replace the crank. just be mindful of how it should be installed properly. never trust your bike mechanic in short, hehehe. ;D |
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) I am looking for a good 130 mm fork and my budget is limited to 4-5K. Above are the thing that I am thinking but other recommendations are welcome. Thanks again and God Bless.
