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Post by shuzzs on Feb 4, 2006 13:18:17 GMT 8
brad's and Sis', Anyone has used this? Is this a good buy? I heard it's price is about 1,800 to 2,000. I am looking at getting one since I need to replace my headset. If not then I'll go for FSA or CaneCreek. Thanks a lot.  |
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Post by the D. on Feb 4, 2006 13:25:48 GMT 8
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Post by Poseur on Feb 4, 2006 13:31:42 GMT 8
Is this a joke? CHRIST King? Class B? WTF? only in the phils. ;D
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 4, 2006 14:00:10 GMT 8
Yup. I saw one here being sold at one of the LBS here in Sta. Rosa... they have the black, blue, and maroon colors. The color and the construction is the same as that with CK's that I see on high-end bikes.. however I don't personally know the difference...
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Post by kneecapped on Feb 4, 2006 14:19:32 GMT 8
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 4, 2006 14:42:11 GMT 8
Kneecapped, Thanks brad. That's a real good and very informative site.
Yeah. I guess it'll be the buyer's call. From the looks of the internals of the fake one,
it seems that it looks the same with the other sealed-bearing headsets. So I guess
it will also be durable... but unlike the original one.
I'll check on the internals of the CK class B headset once I visit the shop again.
I'll post my findings after.
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 4, 2006 21:46:27 GMT 8
Peachy,
Sorry. It was a typo...this is one of my mistakes when I am touch-typing... It should have been 'Chris King' instead of 'Christ' King...
Well... if it was Christ King... I would have bought it at once... ;D
(I already edited the Subject.)
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Post by mountguitars on Feb 4, 2006 22:25:54 GMT 8
saw a fake chris king headset in quiapo at kings. jane immediately claimed it to be fake and was selling it for P2,800. nice colors and looks like the real thing. quite pricey for an immitated product IMHO.
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Post by raven on Feb 4, 2006 22:56:26 GMT 8
fellow bikers....buy only the original kings...u gonna pay much for fakes....buy fsa or other brand ..not the fake ones...not worth it...chrisking has a name in the industry let it be that way..
@shuzz..brad, better buy cheap but genuine..worth the bucks...2k-3k..for fake ones....think twice..the fake once has no craftmanship...just take a look at the laser etches..and connix...and the bearings...
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Post by the D. on Feb 5, 2006 1:23:48 GMT 8
what? 2,800 for a fake king
no way, i'll gladly pay 500 buck for that
but no way i'm gonna pay 1k for a fake one |
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Post by Poseur on Feb 5, 2006 2:58:21 GMT 8
Well we all know what we are paying for when we buy CK stuff right? They don't purchase bearings like some companies... they make the bearings in-house. all the part ver tight tolerances are controlled... so the fit (of each parts) is perfect.
like raven... i too would rather buy an FSA or CC.
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 5, 2006 17:06:13 GMT 8
Ben, Peachy, thanks for your good advices. I am now looking into buying CaneCreek (the one that I am using now - not the aheadset anymore) or even FSA.
Mountguitars... BTW. I saw the fake or class B Chris King HS at Paulinas... they're selling them for 1,850 only. I had no chance to look at the internals however.
I'd like to share my thought on this issue... Based from the website shared by Kneecapped, I noticed that the internals are the same with that used by FSA and Cane Creek. You will notice that they (FSA, CC, and the fake CK's) have the same sealed bearings construction or look.
Aside from the that, the way they stack the internals are almost the same... and the look (rounded edge) of the FSA's Orbit DL or X is almost the same as that of the CK's.
(Maybe the manufacturer's of FSA or CC's headset are the one making the fake CK's? )
If this is the case then these fake one's might be as durable as the FSA and CC's. If the internals are indeed the same then we can simply replace the internals with that of FSA/CC's headsets.
Just a thought...
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Post by j_a_p on Feb 5, 2006 18:59:43 GMT 8
durable it is, but at the end of the day it is still a counterfeit. I will consider buying it if they dont use CK trademark/brand on this headset. BTW, why not just use FSA/CC's as it is. Changing internal's doesn't make any sense. Ben, Peachy, thanks for your good advices. I am now looking into buying CaneCreek (the one that I am using now - not the aheadset anymore) or even FSA. Mountguitars... BTW. I saw the fake or class B Chris King HS at Paulinas... they're selling them for 1,850 only. I had no chance to look at the internals however. I'd like to share my thought on this issue... Based from the website shared by Kneecapped, I noticed that the internals are the same with that used by FSA and Cane Creek. You will notice that they (FSA, CC, and the fake CK's) have the same sealed bearings construction or look. Aside from the that, the way they stack the internals are almost the same... and the look (rounded edge) of the FSA's Orbit DL or X is almost the same as that of the CK's. (Maybe the manufacturer's of FSA or CC's headset are the one making the fake CK's? ) If this is the case then these fake one's might be as durable as the FSA and CC's. If the internals are indeed the same then we can simply replace the internals with that of FSA/CC's headsets. Just a thought... |
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Post by mountguitars on Feb 5, 2006 22:33:01 GMT 8
shuzzs,
hang on brad. it seems to me that you're opting to buy a fake CK becoz the internals can be changed/compared to FSAs and CC. if that's the case, why don't you buy an FSA or a CC just like jap's suggestion?
it doesn't make sense to use a fake product if its expensive. honestly, i don't care much for branding as long as it works ok. heck, i started with a mall bike and when the parts slowly broke down or didn't do what its supposed to do, that's when i realised why orig bike parts are expensive.
but to shell out 1.8K for an imitated product is way too much. if it was P500 i'd buy it (ganda kasi ng colors eh and lots to choose from, hehe).
i think some orig CCs and FSAs is somewhere between 1K-2k (i think). heck, i installed a fake CC S2 on my trail bike becoz its cheap (P550). works ok. if it breaks, no regrets. at least i found out that it doesn't pay to use fake products for only P550. worse case scencario, it breaks down and you end up getting injured or a part of the bike other than the fake product gets damaged due to the fake product's fault (a fake headset damages a fork for example). hope this doesn't happen.
back then, i used a cheap, repackable, WTB headset on my KHS500. it was actually bundled with the frame so i ended up using it. i knew it was a fake but just tried it anyways. it ate up (literally) some of my fork's crown where the fork race mates with the lower headset cup specially while bombing down trails that's why it gave me the impression that my fork flexed a lot.
just my 2 cents brad. in the end, you make the choice.
OT: hope to bike with you soon brad. i'll be migrating to sta. rosa by mid feb. hopefully you can guide me across the sta. rosa trails. thanks in advance.
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 6, 2006 0:36:57 GMT 8
Jap, Mountguitars, Bros... tnx for your comments... actually I have decided to buy either a FSA or CaneCreek headset. Yes... both of you are correct that fakes are not worth buying. I agree.  Actually, I'd rather buy the fake CK's headset if it does not hold the Chris King logo. ;D Yup. I like the color. My previous post are just my thoughts. I am just pointing out that these fakes were also given some thought (I suppose). Why the hell will they sell these fake CK headset for a still high price (higher than some CC and FSA headsets) if they are not durable? And here are still some of my thoughts about these fake parts... Fake parts offers the buying public (the majority - class B and C) a cheaper option over its expensive original part. However, there are still two sides of the story... Either... it destroys the sales of the originals since most people (not all) would go for the 'Looks' rather than buy the expensive one. or... it actually helps the original manufacturer since it gives the buying public (majority) a cheaper option of the expensive product to compete with other brands at a lower price range. I guess we'll never know the real motive(s) of these fake parts. Well... just like what kneecapped has said... it's your call if you want to buy fake parts. For me, I'd rather buy the original ones. But then again... if my budget is limited and I badly want to use my bike... I'd go for cheaper but durable parts. But of course, I'd stick with the originals if the parts are critical. Mountguitars... that's a good choice for you and your family to migrate here in the south. Lots of good schools, malls, companies, and of course fresh air. Sure brad. I'd be glad to take you across the Sta. Rosa trails.  |
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Post by Poseur on Feb 6, 2006 7:26:15 GMT 8
sealed bearings are easy to buy. those are probably enduro max which are pretty common. it doesn't mean the same factory that produces CC/FSA makes these fake ones... just 'coz they share bearings.
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Post by PraeTorian on Feb 6, 2006 12:00:08 GMT 8
the fake CK's are much bigger in diameter than the origianal CK's... i know 'coz i bought one and compared it to my orig CK... badtrip mga tsong sayang pera...
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 6, 2006 15:13:10 GMT 8
Peachy... thanks for the information regarding the common sealed bearings.
Praetorian... thanks for sharing your experience with the fake CK. This definitely warns us on buying the fake one.
If only the fake CK does not bear the Chris King logo and is only price at about 800... then I'd get one. I really like the color. ;D
Come to think of it... I just had a Cane Creek S8 installed on one of my bikes. The price is about 800 or 900 (I forgot the exact figure)... is this a fake too? Based from the CaneCreek website their suggested retail price is 70 USD. Another shop here in Sta Rosa offered me a FSA (I forgot to ask the model) for only 9++...
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Post by Poseur on Feb 6, 2006 17:11:15 GMT 8
Duh! ha3 from one fake to another... I'm not sure myb it's one of those great deals found in the phils.
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 6, 2006 21:30:35 GMT 8
Hahaha... I hope it was indeed a good deal... Anyway, I passed by the shop where I bought the CC headset and they told me that it's an original. Whew!
Thanks peachy...
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Post by jr on Feb 6, 2006 22:14:53 GMT 8
Is this a joke? CHRIST King? Class B? WTF? only in the phils. ;D ;D ;D ;D. also I never heard a chis king class B. I just know Chris king... |
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Post by cobym on Feb 16, 2006 7:10:12 GMT 8
2800 for a fake ck? too much. just add a few more and you've got the orig.
I also heard there were fake FSA and CC headsets around.
Shuzzs,
What shop tried to pass off the fake as orig? so everyone can know.
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 16, 2006 13:42:13 GMT 8
When I inquired whether the "low priced" Chris King headset is an original or a fake, it is only a staff of Paulinas that said it was an original.
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 16, 2006 13:44:13 GMT 8
Btw, the supposedly fake CK headset at Paulinas is only 1,800.
As for the store at the back of Paulinas (I forgot the name), the price of a Cane Creek S2 headset is 780.
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Post by alien_scream on Feb 16, 2006 16:36:46 GMT 8
2T for a chris king!!!! man get real!!!!! prices of the chris kings ranges from 4.5T to 6T here and to see a 2T (di pa sealed bearing) and they say its original!!!!
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Post by shuzzs on Feb 16, 2006 17:22:29 GMT 8
Here's the catch... Sabak also sells these CK's (the last time I visited them)
So why do they sell it?
- Is it just like a Showbiz figure wearing a fake Lacoste shirt? ('Di ba, dehins halata)
- or maybe these CK's are also durable?
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Post by Alphabolt on Feb 16, 2006 23:34:15 GMT 8
Dude, Just use the Tange set I left with you. It s a good set...abit heavy but true and nice See ya Sat |
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Post by Poseur on Feb 17, 2006 3:45:25 GMT 8
how much for the REAL one? 6T max?
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Post by PraeTorian on Feb 17, 2006 8:45:04 GMT 8
its 5.5K for the real CK's... |
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Post by Alphabolt on Feb 17, 2006 23:37:58 GMT 8
Prior to the deluge of the fakes...real CKs would cost 5.5k bnew and about 3k-3.5k 2nd hand
Some lucky guys get em for P2.5k
But nowadays...Caveat Emptor , bros and sis!
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2,800 for a fake king
Actually, I'd rather buy the fake CK's headset if it does not hold the Chris King logo. ;D
