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Post by anji on Dec 22, 2005 1:42:57 GMT 8
guys, anybody using this headset ... any feedbak i plan to get 1 although pricey 4 me ... matibay ba .. tnx in advance
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Post by Poseur on Dec 22, 2005 3:18:29 GMT 8
one of the strongest, economical headset out there. the problem is the sealing. The loose bearings are not sealed very well. if u have a single crown bike and u dnt mind pulling the stem out every now and then, it would last u a very long time. I had it on my boxxer and that was a pain 'coz u don't really wanna be pulling the top crown a lot (tight fit). BUT if you don't ride in the rain or directly wash your bike w/ water then u should be ok.
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Post by bernie on Jan 9, 2006 8:34:20 GMT 8
Yep, one of the strongest, and yes, it is not sealed, anyway other riders prefer this type, those who hated the principle of sealed bearing heehehhehe, you can put reliable grease like campy's and aircraft grease to avoid usual "repacking".
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Post by hingal aso on Jan 10, 2006 1:22:06 GMT 8
If I recall about a year and a half ago I was shopping around for a "tough" headset and this was "offered" by many shops in Cartimar.
Altough I have seen it in the FSA webpage, those offered looked like imitation part. They were in simple dull looking boxes..... looked exactly like those pictured in the internet, but the paint job ay dehins "pulido".
I don't know if they were the real thing ( or original parts that were smuggled out of their factories to be sold at cheaper prices with out the real company knowing..... like the SCOTT frame incident a few years ago).
I eventually opted for the DA BOMB headset. I consider headsets as one of the components that must be very reliable. Mahirap na baka masira pa ang headtube, or worse, it might break on critical moments.
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Post by Poseur on Jan 10, 2006 11:29:32 GMT 8
anyway other riders prefer this type, those who hated the principle of sealed bearing heehehhehe, you can put reliable grease like campy's and aircraft grease to avoid usual "repacking". it may delay it a bit if u use a really good quality grease but any grease will get contaminated if it's not protected from the elements... not just water but dust and dirt. curious: why would some riders not prefer a sealed B?
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Post by anji on Jan 10, 2006 23:03:07 GMT 8
Poseur used sealed bearings on 1 of my bikes with integrated headset ... saw d pig in d web and it luks tough ... guys, are there good alternatives with sealed bearings tnx ...
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Post by bernie on Jan 11, 2006 8:09:59 GMT 8
curious: why would some riders not prefer a sealed B? Maybe they wanted to maintain their bike in an old fashioned way especially the old folks. ;D
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Post by mtb_racer on Jan 11, 2006 9:39:04 GMT 8
curious: why would some riders not prefer a sealed B? Maybe they wanted to maintain their bike in an old fashioned way especially the old folks. ;D Simple buros, Sealed Bearing are disposable , the grease-type lasts longer and can be repaired, this is why it is popular on what you said, "old folks" like me hahahahahhahahaahah
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Post by Poseur on Jan 11, 2006 10:28:59 GMT 8
they can't be repaired, just the bearings replaced if u need to. BUT if u don't have a good seal, it gets contaminated a lot faster which means u will have to do your maintenance more often or risk destroying it. sure u could replace the balls and re-pack them w/ grease again but if u ruin the races you're HS's done. if u don't maintain your bearings and it becomes totally full of rust pits then u need to throw that out as well.... disposable?
the good thing w/ sealed is that... it's sealed so there's less maintenance and less chance of contamination. which means more riding time. if u are a bike anal type like i am then u can still clean and repack that same sealed B and that should extend the life even more. if u do damage it for any reason u could just buy a new sealed B. in and out and it's done!
old folks just don't like to change. ;D
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Post by gilbs72 on Jan 11, 2006 11:52:30 GMT 8
I had problems with my headset once--lost some ball-bearings. I looked around and the sealed bearings (at least the ones I found) were so expensive. I could destroy a dozen of my generic (GTS) headset before I spend the cost of just one sealed bearing headset. In the end, it just cost me P20 to replace the ball-bearings inside.
I'm not sure if it's just the model I was looking for--internal headset kasi--I found several Taiwanese brands of the ball-bearing type, but only Cane Creek (zero-stack) for the sealed type . Kung meron siguro generic na internal-sealed, baka maging cost-effective na.
So as of now, non-sealed is a lot cheaper. Even if I break my headtube, mas mura pa din to buy a new HT frame and new generic headset.
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Post by Poseur on Jan 11, 2006 14:47:44 GMT 8
yeah but those generic HS are @#$%. sorry but true. that's the reason they are so da*n cheap. tight tolerances and quality cost money.
it's like saying jeepneys are so much cheaper that u could wreck two and replace for the cost of honda engine.
u could use a taiwan-made no-seal-no-name HS or u could run a CC. same thing.
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 11, 2006 20:52:38 GMT 8
NO problem with my PIG, (with oversized sealed bearing).
I bought it at RoSS cycling at cartimar, P350 cheap, only the lower cup and the oversized industrial sealed bearing, and the thing u put on your steerer tube,
I tink it was pulled out from a unit, post ko pic
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Post by PT on Jan 11, 2006 22:05:59 GMT 8
magkano ba isa nyan? i also need a new headset asap ...
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Post by raven on Jan 11, 2006 22:43:04 GMT 8
get the pig pro-dh.......sealed bearings...
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Post by Poseur on Jan 12, 2006 1:38:04 GMT 8
NO problem with my PIG, (with oversized sealed bearing). raven: thank you, finally! rocket: u mean PIG DH Pro right? that's the SEALED version.
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Post by mtb_racer on Jan 12, 2006 9:12:16 GMT 8
Yep, as long as your old HS lasts and useful, don't replace your old HS, pag nasira then shift to Sealed B's na, save your money and buy the best!
lucky me, in my HT, my old HS still rotating, a 1997 tange bearing type HS
i will buy SB na lang if this one will shut down ;D
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Post by gilbs72 on Jan 17, 2006 1:52:30 GMT 8
yeah but those generic HS are @#$%. sorry but true. that's the reason they are so da*n cheap. tight tolerances and quality cost money. it's like saying jeepneys are so much cheaper that u could wreck two and replace for the cost of honda engine. u could use a taiwan-made no-seal-no-name HS or u could run a CC. same thing. But the price difference is really over 10x... I can't remember exactly - P350 vs P5,000+ yata (to say 1/10 is conservative). I doubt that I'd destroy 10 headsets in my bike's lifetime (not counting simple bearing replacements) or in the CC's lifetime. Hehe... infinitely panget ang jeepneys compared to hondas. But I think Pinoys will buy those new jeepney-quality wrangler imitations if it will cost 1/10 the price of a real Jeep Wrangler and the paint/finish is good enough. Palit ka na lang 10 times pag nasira. Perhaps this is a closer analogy. We've already seen how Pinoys gobbled up those Mercedes-marked Ssangyong vehicles which weren't even very cheap. And even at their best, jeepneys won't ride as well as hondas. Ball bearing headsets will perform just as well as sealed bearings when they're undamaged. (Curiously, some GTS headsets are marked "Made by TH Industries for Cane Creek". Does this mean something or just cheap marketing gimmick?) I was just sharing a point-of-view for choosing the non-sealed HS. But I will agree with your point if there is no cheaper alternative, say, you're only choosing between an FSA sealed and ball type of the same brand. Then maybe the price difference won't justify getting the ball type.
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Post by Poseur on Jan 17, 2006 3:24:48 GMT 8
well there will always be people that will buy the cheaper ones.... the disposable type ones. that's why we have walmarts and stuff where we buy whatever it is and it would last one season and then we throw them out only to replace w/ another of the same quality. we're back to the disposable mentality. then there's the just-slap-on-a-famous-brand-and-i'll-buy-it group.
i wouldn't be surprise if they are built in the same factory but that doesn't mean anything. i can machine u any bike parts at +/- 0.05 tolerances or +/- 0.0005. the type of metal used... the treatment? We machined some prototype RF rings before. amazing how many details are on them and how strick they observe those tolerances. I managed to use the rejects that didn't pass. ;D
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Post by nightcrawler on Jan 17, 2006 12:05:50 GMT 8
Its your preference...if you want sealed or not. Sometimes its very hard to find the exact specs of a sealed bearing if you replace one. And sometimes a none sealed is better performing than a sealed one. FSA quality is nearly close to Chris King...
I have none sealed Da bomb on my DJ bike.
I have FSA pig one point five on my DH bike (VPX w/ Shiver DC fork)...Not the DH which is sealed. So far I have no problems with it (racing for 1 season). Just be careful to take care of the lower cups I think its susceptible to rust. And gease it well. Don't use high pressure spray like the one at the car wash. Water will dry your bearings even if its is sealed. Just use running water.
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Post by ecz on Mar 13, 2006 23:37:48 GMT 8
FSA pig !!!!!!matibay nmn ayus sin gmit ko s HT ko o prefered yellow astig oky yung limited edition orange astig ;D
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Post by cobym on Mar 14, 2006 8:53:44 GMT 8
P5000!!! That must be Chris king already-- the jewelry of headsets.
Sealed bearing type headsets from other makers, such as canecreek and fsa, are way cheaper.
I have used two cane creek headsets, first is a cheap aheadset (non sealed) which came stock, and a CC S-6 (sealed). They're still very serviceable after years of use. The non-sealed tends to get dirty though, and, as peachy said, you'll have to clean and regrease the bearings often to maintain smooth operation. Not the same with the sealed type. I've only cleaned it once in around 1yr and 2 mos., just because it was raining and had nothing to do. But it was working fine.
I'd never get a non-sealed bearing headset again, considering the hassle of non-sealed and the clear advantages of sealed bearings. But I don't think I can justify a headset costing P5000.
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Post by Lance_R_evo on Mar 14, 2006 13:55:09 GMT 8
same here, and sometimes it just boils down to luck, some are lucky enough to buy a cheap headset and last 1-2 years, then there are those who buy the expensive brands and destroy it within one year...sometimes it's just lack of maintenance.
much like in our group, there are around 6 of us who use the same Headset brand and model, two of them wrecked theirs just by normal 'hood riding and curb dropping, while some of us who drops higher still have our Headsets still working fine.
product life really depends not just from what Manufacturer it came, but how it was made, and how it will be maintained by the buyer.
and of course, if it isn't made right, it will not perform right. it just so happens that a purely machine-made part (computerized product lines) will lack the precision of human-controlled machine made parts...which I believe what Chris King and Cane Creek do...
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