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Post by randiezbee on Aug 29, 2005 14:03:28 GMT 8
Fellow Mountain Bikers:
I would like to upgrade my mechanical disk breaks to hydro disk breaks. I would appreciate any suggestions. I am thinking to upgrade to Hayes HFX 9... but i want to get your opinion...
Disk Break: Price: Why choose this break:
Thanks so much ;D
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Post by Poseur on Aug 29, 2005 15:22:43 GMT 8
BRAKES: hayes sucks. go avid. avid juicy 5 if u want a no frill bang-for-your-buck brakes. btw, what mechanical disk brakes are u using right now? if it's avid then you will be downgrading if u get that hfx.
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Post by alien_scream on Aug 29, 2005 16:16:11 GMT 8
BRAKES: hayes sucks. go avid. avid juicy 5 if u want a no frill bang-for-your-buck brakes. btw, what mechanical disk brakes are u using right now? if it's avid then you will be downgrading if u get that hfx. sorry for asking but may i ask why hayes sucks!!!!
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Post by cobym on Aug 30, 2005 11:31:36 GMT 8
well, for one, hayes disc brake pads are friggin expensive!
I agree with peachy on the avid mechs. If you have that, stick to it. In fact, I prefer to stick to the avid mechs over the avid juicy hydros. the mechs need less maintenance, have more reliability, and they just plain work day after day, ride after ride. If you break a cable, you can find one in any bike shop in the world.
the only advantage of the juicy is modulation and power, but not by much. For that, you have to endure regular bleeding sessions. Plus there are some issues about the juicys. Have you checked out teh mtbr.com reviews on teh avid mechs and the juicys lately? You'll find your answer there, i believe.
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Post by alien_scream on Aug 30, 2005 12:35:11 GMT 8
well, for one, hayes disc brake pads are friggin expensive! I agree with peachy on the avid mechs. If you have that, stick to it. In fact, I prefer to stick to the avid mechs over the avid juicy hydros. the mechs need less maintenance, have more reliability, and they just plain work day after day, ride after ride. If you break a cable, you can find one in any bike shop in the world. the only advantage of the juicy is modulation and power, but not by much. For that, you have to endure regular bleeding sessions. Plus there are some issues about the juicys. Have you checked out teh mtbr.com reviews on teh avid mechs and the juicys lately? You'll find your answer there, i believe. yeah!!!! hayes break pads cost a fortune!!!!!! but i still like tha stopping power!!!!
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Post by retsard on Aug 30, 2005 16:11:37 GMT 8
Expensive disk pads?
Theres always your friendly brake bonding shops
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Post by alien_scream on Aug 30, 2005 16:41:38 GMT 8
i don't think they rebond pads for hayes!!!! i ask before they don't rebond them!!!!
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Post by gabe1215 on Aug 30, 2005 16:47:16 GMT 8
Fellow Mountain Bikers: I would like to upgrade my mechanical disk breaks to hydro disk breaks. I would appreciate any suggestions. I am thinking to upgrade to Hayes HFX 9... but i want to get your opinion... Disk Break: Price: Why choose this break: Thanks so much ;D try juicy seven. got mine last week and so far im happy with the performance. perfect modulation, great stopping power. i did not use the wavy rotor though coz i heard a bad deal about it making annoying noise. so i used the plain round ones that came with my bb7.
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 30, 2005 17:23:25 GMT 8
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Post by bernie on Aug 31, 2005 8:52:53 GMT 8
Shimano LX is enough for a Hydros, it has the same modulation/power as the XT and XTR ( in w/c I have used also ) I can't feel the difference except for the weight, budget wise, LX is OK na. Well, Shimano Deore Hydros is also OK. Their fluid housing are very tough and very easy to bleed too.
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Post by cobym on Aug 31, 2005 10:00:01 GMT 8
Yup, am quite happy also with my deore hydros. Incredible stopping power. Haven't had to bleed yet since I bought it around six months ago.
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Post by fullspeed on Aug 31, 2005 11:47:55 GMT 8
Mga idols - how do you know when your hydros need bleeding?
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Post by bernie on Aug 31, 2005 11:57:59 GMT 8
Mga idols - how do you know when your hydros need bleeding? These rarely happens, but it needs bleeding when it has "tagas" ( leak ) there is no power and very soft, you can feel it.
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Post by alien_scream on Aug 31, 2005 11:59:16 GMT 8
Mga idols - how do you know when your hydros need bleeding? ususally every year you have to bleed your hydros!!!! but when you feel that you loose some power or when the lever starts to be too soft then air is in you lines and you have to bleed you hydros!!!!!
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Post by fullspeed on Aug 31, 2005 21:32:07 GMT 8
Thanks for the replies idols Bernie and Alienscream
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Post by clutchshooter on Aug 31, 2005 22:05:27 GMT 8
well, for one, hayes disc brake pads are friggin expensive! I agree with peachy on the avid mechs. If you have that, stick to it. In fact, I prefer to stick to the avid mechs over the avid juicy hydros. the mechs need less maintenance, have more reliability, and they just plain work day after day, ride after ride. If you break a cable, you can find one in any bike shop in the world. the only advantage of the juicy is modulation and power, but not by much. For that, you have to endure regular bleeding sessions. Plus there are some issues about the juicys. Have you checked out teh mtbr.com reviews on teh avid mechs and the juicys lately? You'll find your answer there, i believe. You have spoken like a true believer!!! Hail you, Sir!!! I agree with what you have said!!! PeacE out!
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Post by Poseur on Sept 1, 2005 7:04:29 GMT 8
yeah!!!! hayes break pads cost a fortune!!!!!! but i still like tha stopping power!!!! stopping power? try another brand and u won't like your hayes anymore. modulation? try another brand. personally i dnt find hayes expensive. their pads are probably one of the cheapest and easiest to find as well.
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Post by Poseur on Sept 1, 2005 7:07:29 GMT 8
Mga idols - how do you know when your hydros need bleeding? i would bleed mine once a year. sa pinas myb more often coz of the humidity in the air. same w/ your car's brakes.
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Post by randiezbee on Sept 1, 2005 8:37:35 GMT 8
thanks for all your inputs guys... helps me alot... right now i have to decide between: Avid Juicy 7 Avid BB7 Shimano thanks again... ;D
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Post by radical1962 on Sept 1, 2005 8:47:49 GMT 8
I'm practical. I like something that will perform, be durable and inexpensive. I have a BB7 for the last 2 1/2 years and have eaten up 2 rotors and half a dozen pads. I still love and depend on them.
I will go for the mechs over the hyds ... low maintenance, no frills, will go doing it job all day, wet or dry.
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Post by rbc on Sept 1, 2005 9:54:11 GMT 8
I'm practical. I like something that will perform, be durable and inexpensive. I have a BB7 for the last 2 1/2 years and have eaten up 2 rotors and half a dozen pads. I still love and depend on them. I will go for the mechs over the hyds ... low maintenance, no frills, will go doing it job all day, wet or dry. for the same reasons, if you are the type who likes to install and forget parts in your bike, go for the avid mechs. but if you are the type who likes to tinker with your bike from time to time as much as you like to ride, go juicy.
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Post by Poseur on Sept 2, 2005 1:29:02 GMT 8
on the contrary, i think the hydros are less maintenance. the housing on cables are the main culprit. they get contaminated easily especially when it's wet and muddy. if you're picky w/ how smooth your brakes feel then u will be lubing or changing your housing at least 3 times a year depending on how much exposure u have to those nasty dust/water/mud. the hydros, on the other hand, are sealed from those elements.
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Post by raven on Sept 2, 2005 8:53:43 GMT 8
yup..hydros..are easy to install.and adjust...deore hydros..are good..easy to maintain..easy to bleed,pads is available(cheap)..
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Post by rbc on Sept 2, 2005 18:05:02 GMT 8
just to add to your decision considerations randiezbee,
aside from frequency of maintenance, also consider ease of maintenance/repair. it is relatively more difficult to fix/adjust a hydraulic brake than a mechanical on the on or off the trail.
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Post by Poseur on Sept 3, 2005 1:02:18 GMT 8
it is relatively more difficult to fix/adjust a hydraulic brake than a mechanical on the on or off the trail. rbc well partly true... but how often do u fix a hydro? i have never had a problem w/ my hydro. never. but let's look at a scenario. say my hydro completely leaks and i have zero braking power (duh!).... that's equivalent to a cable/housing snapping in 2. how many actually brings a spare cable w/ them in their pack (not to mention a cable cutter). 'adjusting' for a mech is actually more a problem that all mech have.... but we just think this is normal and is accepted but if we encounter anything like that on a hydro everyone would complain.... because we know hydro just works! it always works... until when it don't. not every often.... oh! and when u run out of pads and down to bare metal. i know some guys that have been running their hydros for years w/o any maintenance except changing their pads. no one can claim that on their mechs. of course i don't suggest doing that. i myself would bleed the old fluid once a year at least.
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Post by randiezbee on Sept 5, 2005 11:20:19 GMT 8
very useful inputs... i learned so much... good thing i am a part of this group... thanks a lot bros...
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Post by rbc on Sept 5, 2005 15:27:40 GMT 8
it is relatively more difficult to fix/adjust a hydraulic brake than a mechanical on the on or off the trail. rbc well partly true... but how often do u fix a hydro? i have never had a problem w/ my hydro. never. but let's look at a scenario. say my hydro completely leaks and i have zero braking power (duh!).... that's equivalent to a cable/housing snapping in 2. how many actually brings a spare cable w/ them in their pack (not to mention a cable cutter). 'adjusting' for a mech is actually more a problem that all mech have.... but we just think this is normal and is accepted but if we encounter anything like that on a hydro everyone would complain.... because we know hydro just works! it always works... until when it don't. not every often.... oh! and when u run out of pads and down to bare metal. i know some guys that have been running their hydros for years w/o any maintenance except changing their pads. no one can claim that on their mechs. of course i don't suggest doing that. i myself would bleed the old fluid once a year at least. On hydros that does not work. Your are lucky that your system has not konked out. I'd say I know a lot of friends whose hydro disc brakes that continue to be reliable from the time that they installed it. However, have your read about problems other riders mentiioned here about their hydro disk brakes. Like the one leaving his bike inside the car before a race and the avid juicy ended being locked up. Also, I have a friend, he lives in garden hills and rides down tagaytay trails to Laurel. (most of the tagaytay riders know him ) , he has hope disc brakes). He has it serviced before a ride. It works for a while before conking out in the middel of the ride. after numerous trips to hermie of velo , endless bike shop, for a little over a year, he finally switched to a BB7. I know these are just two examples. But just Like what I said, if it conks out in the trails, there is little one could do. Peachy wrote": " how many actually brings a spare cable w/ them in their pack (not to mention a cable cutter). " brad, to those who know me personally, they could attest that I am one of those who bring extra cables, and pads. But personal experience, so far, it's only the pads that I need to use as emergency. With the leatherman, I have in tow also a cablecutter. And on mechanicals disc brake, particularly avids, I have yet to see a problem in the brake that wasn't fixed during the ride.
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Post by bernie on Sept 5, 2005 15:42:11 GMT 8
In Hydro disk, Just dont forget to insert the Spacer on the pads everytime you will uninstall the fork or the rear wheel set to avoid locking up or stocking up whatever , hydros are plug & play parts, just install it, then ready to roll, no more adjustments coz it is self adjusting, this is the best feature of a hydro.
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Post by raven on Sept 5, 2005 17:44:48 GMT 8
i had mine.2nd hand already..and using them.bout 1year now..changed the pad once on the rear only..no bleeding yet..or other techy stuff...changed rotor once in the rear cause i'm using adaptors for disk...its quite difficult to return the wheel after u remove it...b4 i'm an avid fan...for me avid is the best disk brake..but every week u really need to adjust the pad..for proper pad clearance..but, i accidentally used hydros..my friend trade his hydros for my avid..its a deal so i took it..since then,my love turns to hydros..on my personal experience....haba na masyado...
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