rbc
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Post by rbc on Jun 10, 2005 8:26:07 GMT 8
Does anyone here have an experience with the Shimano multi-directional release cleats?
How is it in the trails?
Me, personally, I use crank brothers' mallet C. How ever, I still can't seem to release on emergency situations. I've used them for about six months now but I still can't release during crunch time. To cope with it, I unclip whenever there is technical section ahead. Be it up hill, or downhill, I unclip. Problem is, I am not able to get the most use of the advantages of being clip. It is only useful to me when climbing on pavement or uncomplicated trails.
I can't seem to train my foot to instinctively twist on emergencies.
So any tips out there would be appreciated.
or do you think the multidirectional release is the answer for my problem.
Bird
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Post by anthrax76 on Jun 10, 2005 9:06:18 GMT 8
brad, i'm using spd's, i just turned the tension of the pedals to the lowest. i can unclip whether i twist left or right. according to my friend, if I modify the springs some more, i can just kick a little backward and unclip. another friend of mine modified his spd's to the point that the spring tension is too low. the cleats still lock, put he can pull his foot sideways instead of twisting and he will unclip. i've seen it and i liked it. i just didn't bother doing it myself, ha ha ha
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Post by grnhrnt on Jun 10, 2005 9:20:10 GMT 8
Bird,
When i just started using cleats I bought the mulit-release cleats so i could uncleat during emergencies. Inspite of this there were occasions where i still fell at full stops because i couldn't uncleat. After three rides and getting the hang of it, i decided to change them to the standard cleats becasue my cleats kept releasing whenever i would hop or pedal aggressively.
The crank bros pedals don't have adjustments so when it is new it is really very difficult to uncleat.
Uncleating before perceived trouble is really the general rule to be on the safe side but your going to have to learn how to uncleat as a rule.
I learned that the best way out of trouble is continuous pedalling and having your foot cleated on certainly helps specially when you have to "pull" on your pedals.
Cheers
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Post by xtranss on Jun 10, 2005 9:29:43 GMT 8
I've been using this cleats for more than 6 mos and it really works for me. Time when I need to pull it out and it really comes out easily, presto. Maybe you should loosen it a little more. And since it's multidirectional, you can remove it even upwards.
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Post by ygolote on Jun 10, 2005 13:51:53 GMT 8
i use dated M747 pedals with the release set to its lightest setting. No problems unclipping especially with multi-release cleats.
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Post by cobym on Jun 10, 2005 14:05:01 GMT 8
Are there crank bros multi release cleats? Or can you use shimano SPD cleats with crank bros pedals?
I'm not sure but maybe you can adjust the angle of the cleats on your shoe so that it will unclip at a smaller angle. You can do this with shimano spd cleats. Not sure with mallets though.
Anyway, I also use multirelease cleats with my spd's. There were occasions when it was much easier to unclip in an emergency, but i still have some stop falls because of not being able to unclip fast enough (I blame this on rider stupidity, not the cleat). But yes, it works. But the diff between multirelease and normal set at really low spring is konti lang. You still gotta anticipate when to unclip. My two cents, keep your mallets (mahal pa naman yan). Just practice unclipping really fast.
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 10, 2005 15:13:09 GMT 8
not counting adjustment issues and malfunctions due to mud etc...based on my experience i fell coz its already too late for me to uncleat (duh!) medyo malabo hehe!.. when i was just starting out using clipless shoes nakakalimutan ko..before i realized it, usually its already physically impossible to uncleat..(yun ang dahilan dehins pedal).. my body, arms and legs were already under the control of my "chicken side" and bracing for soil sampling ..wala na sa porma yung mga paa para magtangal.. i guess the solution is to always be aware and prepared...if you cant do a track stand better uncleat one foot already while slowing down or before you go to a full stop. dehins ako sigurado dun sa emergency..para sa akin its either you have time or you dont..if you are only taking chances and you are not confident that you can take on that particular part of the trail..lakarin mo na lang..masasanay karin habang tumatagal...i used to uncleat one foot..but i dont think it can help you in anyway...unless you intend to dab your foot occasionally pero karamihan dun nga ako lagi nadidisgrasya..when it comes to technical trails hesitation is the main problem..naranasan ko nang kumapit sa sanga ng puno habang nakakabit yung bike sa paa ko for several seconds (bigat pala) on a technical downhill section hehe! comedy!..isip isip sana tinuloy ko na lang.. i'm still learning to control my fear..rule ko ngayon cleats o lakad.. just my 2 cents.. btw..i dont use multi release..
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Post by jrjrjr on Jun 10, 2005 18:39:56 GMT 8
Bird, When i just started using cleats I bought the mulit-release cleats so i could uncleat during emergencies. Inspite of this there were occasions where i still fell at full stops because i couldn't uncleat. After three rides and getting the hang of it, i decided to change them to the standard cleats becasue my cleats kept releasing whenever i would hop or pedal aggressively. The crank bros pedals don't have adjustments so when it is new it is really very difficult to uncleat. Uncleating before perceived trouble is really the general rule to be on the safe side but your going to have to learn how to uncleat as a rule. I learned that the best way out of trouble is continuous pedalling and having your foot cleated on certainly helps specially when you have to "pull" on your pedals. Cheers actually in a way, crankbrothers have some adjustability, if not sure if this is only for the newer models but the crankbrothers cleats are not asymetric... on side of the cleat releases at 30degrees and the other at 10or15degrees, meaning if you uncleat by twisting away from the bike and it releases at 30degrees, then if you swap the left and right cleat, twisting away will make it uncleat at 10degrees
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Post by jr on Jun 10, 2005 20:47:14 GMT 8
Does anyone here have an experience with the Shimano multi-directional release cleats? How is it in the trails? Me, personally, I use crank brothers' mallet C. How ever, I still can't seem to release on emergency situations. I've used them for about six months now but I still can't release during crunch time. To cope with it, I unclip whenever there is technical section ahead. Be it up hill, or downhill, I unclip. Problem is, I am not able to get the most use of the advantages of being clip. It is only useful to me when climbing on pavement or uncomplicated trails. I can't seem to train my foot to instinctively twist on emergencies. So any tips out there would be appreciated. or do you think the multidirectional release is the answer for my problem. Bird This is common to all new clipless pedal users... just keep using them and essentially your foot and mind will automatically uncleating in emergency situation. This stage your mind always think how to bail out in dangerous situation (fear). Also practice by cleating and ucleating also help. Just concentrate on pedaling and sooner or later you don't wanna go back to platform. Most common problem using clipless pedal is when the users are very tired and doesnt have energy to uncleats when they stop then they go down with the bike ;D ;D ;D The multi directional should you be able to uncleat in any direction without any problem. Just loosen up until your com table tension. Don't over loosen up either cause on fast accelerated climb you will end up uncleating upon pulling the pedal upward then you could get hurt by the pedal hitting your shin . Shimano I think is the better pedal to use if you just starting do clipless. It has only 10 degree float compare to other brand. Also they have a pedal that has a clipless one side and platform on the other side. This is a good pedal for training going clipless. I have shimano 747, 959 and eggbeater pedals. I'm been using the 747 since 97 and compare to eggbeater seems like better than shimano even just use them in 6 rides. The eggbeater seem easier to uncleat ever has 15 degree float. advice Just keep practicing.....and go clipless.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jun 13, 2005 6:55:10 GMT 8
bird, I got my clipless shoes just last week and was able test it just last sunday on our backyard here in Munti with ferdie as usual. I decided to use the Multi-directional release cleats as per advised from our fellow las pinas bikers since I told them I have an injured knee to take care of. Test results: The cleats were great, it disengages when I want it, we were taken by ferdie on some trail where the single track was well covered by hip-high grasses and vines and bunch of uphills. If you know A-S who rides a 'Dale jeckly well...he took a lot of spill because of his shoes not disengaging when needed. My only complain was I was having hard time clipping back in guess this is just one of those "learning process" and its kinda difficult to walk around wearing a clipless shoes
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Post by Brutus on Jun 14, 2005 17:17:01 GMT 8
Just keep riding and eventually you will be able to get the hang of your clipless pedal. I think "soil sampling is part of our sport as well" ;D
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Post by anthrax76 on Jun 14, 2005 17:34:33 GMT 8
ha ha ha, i remember the first time i went down. the world shifted 90 degrees to the right. i got my right foot unclipped but i fell on the left side
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Post by duldog on Jun 16, 2005 13:09:54 GMT 8
As per painful experience, its a little harder to unclip when making a turn (not multirelease) is this normal?
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 21, 2005 23:47:56 GMT 8
i'm also a clipless pedal user and like most users, uncleating at those dire moments seem impossible. even had cramps while trying to take my foot off during those times. so what the multi directional cleats suggest is you can uncleat at almost any direction right? left, right? even upward? and also, the only thing you have to buy is just the cleat itself right? as long as you already have a clipless pedal regardless of model (i have shimano M515s), all you have to do is just buy the multi directional cleats, right?and not the pedals which usually includes the cleats. how much are the cleats by the way? thank you for those who can fill in the blanks.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jun 22, 2005 8:16:58 GMT 8
how much are the cleats by the way? thank you for those who can fill in the blanks. Got the Multidirectional cleats from Paulinas for 450Php, so much for 2 chunks of metal and screws
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Post by cobym on Jun 22, 2005 10:38:46 GMT 8
Dang! got mine for P550 at Bike Room (overpriced talaga doon! ). out of stock at paulina's at that time. Mountguitars, yup you just need to buy the cleats and use your old Shimano SPD pedals. And yup, its easier to disengage in a bind, but not fool proof.
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Post by rbc on Jun 27, 2005 19:55:41 GMT 8
to everyone, thanks for the replies and tips. I'm giving myself 2 months on the platforms of my Jeckler before I switch it back to the mallet. I'm still getting used to the geometry and new bike position of my bike. better be safe than sorry is my motto.
thanks again everyone for the advice.
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 29, 2005 3:36:05 GMT 8
hehehe, bought the shimano multi directional cleats at king's for P450 and used it at the irid ride. the cleats were great. it added confidence to my riding especially going downhill. you can uncleat even in upward direction which is great because that's the natural reflex of average bikers like me IMHO. i never had the freaking cramps and no bruises whatsoever or not even falling down along with the bike. overall...the cleats were great. thanks for opening up this thread. drawback though on my part....i can never do those 'eroneous' bunny hops. the hops where you lift the bike by simply jumping and then lifting the bike with the pedals. i'll miss those definitely...all for being a better rider.
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Post by rbc on Jun 29, 2005 11:42:10 GMT 8
mountguitars,
when hopping your bike, when lifting your rear with your feet, on 3 o'clock , 9 o'clock position, position your feet like these \ / . Refer to bunny hopping thread of urban section. I find the posts there very helpful.
rbc
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