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Post by glockbiker on Jul 13, 2007 12:19:28 GMT 8
Be wary of used parts sold at some LBS.
I know of a biker who found his wheelset at an LBS after his bike was stolen. The proprietor would not give it back to him even after he offered a token sum for it. The wheelset was custom painted by a known talyer painter who specializes in painting bikes. In fact it was the painter who tipped off the biker when he saw the wheelset in the store. The biker got his wheelset back only after resorting to legal measures.
LBS must do their best to ascertain that the used parts they sell are not stolen. However I would admit that it can be difficult to do- unless maybe they resell only parts that they themselves sold to their suki na bikers.
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Post by Taba® on Jul 13, 2007 18:26:28 GMT 8
Be wary of used parts sold at some LBS. I know of a biker who found his wheelset at an LBS after his bike was stolen. The proprietor would not give it back to him even after he offered a token sum for it. The wheelset was custom painted by a known talyer painter who specializes in painting bikes. In fact it was the painter who tipped off the biker when he saw the wheelset in the store. The biker got his wheelset back only after resorting to legal measures. LBS must do their best to ascertain that the used parts they sell are not stolen. However I would admit that it can be difficult to do- unless maybe they resell only parts that they themselves sold to their suki na bikers. It is also our obligation to inform our fellow bikers the name of this store. If we patronize this store, we are also patronizing the thieves.
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Post by ztnom13 on Jul 13, 2007 20:21:33 GMT 8
did you ask the store owner who sold him the item?
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Post by savers on Jul 14, 2007 5:43:11 GMT 8
Be wary of used parts sold at some LBS. I know of a biker who found his wheelset at an LBS after his bike was stolen. The proprietor would not give it back to him even after he offered a token sum for it. The wheelset was custom painted by a known talyer painter who specializes in painting bikes. In fact it was the painter who tipped off the biker when he saw the wheelset in the store. The biker got his wheelset back only after resorting to legal measures. LBS must do their best to ascertain that the used parts they sell are not stolen. However I would admit that it can be difficult to do- unless maybe they resell only parts that they themselves sold to their suki na bikers. It is also our obligation to inform our fellow bikers the name of this store. If we patronize this store, we are also patronizing the thieves. i think you should name the concerned lbs, so that others would become aware and perhaps victims of stolen bike might be able to visit his/her store to check if one of the items beng sold their came from their bike, thanks
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Post by Daimler on Jul 14, 2007 14:41:11 GMT 8
agree to so sir savers...
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Post by g.b.b on Jul 14, 2007 16:37:33 GMT 8
name drop please... i really miss my ruckus..... tongue inang magnanakaw yan
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Post by yukon on Jul 14, 2007 19:05:58 GMT 8
OT: There's this bike pawnshop I saw near GMA7 (East Ave. cor Edsa) I hope they're not selling em. Another junkshop near Central ( dunno if that's the right street. ) Its the shortcut to Visayas Ave coming from Commonwealth Ave. I saw a yellow bike hanging there. Sorry OT...these shops sell whole bikes.
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Post by glockbiker on Jul 16, 2007 15:14:27 GMT 8
I would rather not becoz I never had a chance to get the LBS owner's side of the story.
Please do not get the impression that puro nakaw yung 2nd hand parts dun. NO. Definitely not!
I would like to believe that maybe the LBS owner didn't know it was stolen. As I said, I would be the first one to admit that it is very difficult to ascertain if every item is stolen or not. Unless you were the one who sold it in the first place and the buyer now wants you to resell it becoz he's upgrading.
I guess if I were the LBS owner, I would have at least asked for proof of ownership (ex. a picture, a receipt, etc) from the biker claiming to be its owner. Napapag-usapan naman yan eh. Then probably things would not have gotten out of hand.
I guess the safest way is to just buy from friends who are upgrading. May tawad na, kita mo pa kung paano ginamit yung piyesa.
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Post by trailrider on Jul 16, 2007 21:10:57 GMT 8
i knew a lbs in cartimar who sells some 2nd parts even your looking for a brandnew and will do their best to sell it to a newbie mtb parts buyer..... i dont like to name this shop......
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Post by Ti-bar on Sept 2, 2007 7:51:06 GMT 8
i knew a lbs in cartimar who sells some 2nd parts even your looking for a brandnew and will do their best to sell it to a newbie mtb parts buyer..... i dont like to name this shop...... no offense here brad, thats quite comforting, telling those things like a jigsaw puzzle leaving the most important piece for the reader to figure it out themselves, caveat emptor na lang, buyer beware , dehins lang sa cartimar naman nangyayari yan, it can happen wherever and whichever LBS, for varied circumstances. basta kung bibili at dehins naman bihasa o sanay sa mga parts its better to bring along someone who is. peace man
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Post by Daimler on Sept 8, 2007 16:22:48 GMT 8
i knew a lbs in cartimar who sells some 2nd parts even your looking for a brandnew and will do their best to sell it to a newbie mtb parts buyer..... i dont like to name this shop...... hmmm... bikeshop in cartimar? i once visited a bikeshop. of course i looked like a newbie biker because i kept asking too much. during my conversation with the seller (a helper of the bikeshop), i new he was like trying to profile me. because of asking too many question, he might have concluded that i'm a newbie. well, i can't blame him. then here comes his offer: second hand frames... i want to think now that it's stolen because of how he offered it to me. there was something in his sales talk that made me think it's stolen. i'm no sure though. it's just based on my thoughts.
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Post by trailrider on Sept 25, 2007 1:36:32 GMT 8
im not saying that this lbs sells stolen parts.... im just saying that they will give you an used part if you dont know or not really an expert in looking or buying bnew parts..... no intention of arguing... hehehehehhehe the thing is they dont run their business fairly and newbies are the most victims..... Ti-baryour correct men... the thing is you should have always an expert or do knows the parts very well before buying...
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Post by Alphabolt on Sept 25, 2007 10:03:58 GMT 8
anyway...since you are members of this forum : you know better
I 'd say buy 2nd hand parts only from our members specially the more established rider-sellers with reputations to take care of
It s easy to verify the state and level of use of certain parts of members through their riding buddies if need be.
Naming LBS with fenced parts is a tricky subject. prone to misunderstanding and hearsay.
what I want to know is how the "legal measures transpired...what happened after you told the LBS owners the part is yours? then what did you do? what did the cops do? etc
This is a good "how-to" thread for recovering stolen parts from knowing or unknowing shops
If the cops were able to prove that the LBS owner was guilty of selling/ fencing stolen goods then ..post the name of the LBS.
As long as a valid institution was able to confirm the dubious nature of the case, I say post away
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Post by arcireyes on Sept 25, 2007 10:13:24 GMT 8
to corroborate alphabolt's take on the matter: blind items are best discussed in star talk, boy abunda's show. etc. if its just hearsay and third party information and not based on concrete evidence and hard facts, hold your gun people.......masama ang nagbibintang this is a mtbiking forum people......this is not a showbiz talk show ;D
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Post by Patrick on Sept 25, 2007 10:44:26 GMT 8
to corroborate alphabolt's take on the matter: blind items are best discussed in star talk, boy abunda's show. etc. if its just hearsay and third party information and not based on concrete evidence and hard facts, hold your gun people.......masama ang nagbibintang this is a mtbiking forum people......this is not a showbiz talk show ;D Thats how other PinoyMTBiker/non-PinoyMTBiker guys perceive current PinoyMTBiker environment: Many members are all talk, but can't back it up...may it be technical or topics like this... can talk the talk but cant walk the walk. Many posers posting like they know what they are talking about. Back up what you say and don't screw up PinoyMTBiker's reputation ;D. If you had first hand info then either post the LBS name if you have the balls to back it up or don't even think of posting it. Are we far better off when this topic started up to this point? Think about it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cooperate or evaporate -Mayor Lim...kaya pala nag evaporate ang baywalk ;D
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Post by arcireyes on Sept 25, 2007 11:51:39 GMT 8
in as much as i'm now a "keyboard cyclist" kakarerin ko na ;D on a serious note, patrick said it right, some peepz just post and post many ampaw post (i.e. post that are full of talk without walk) just for the sake of accumulating stars (yata) hehehe. don't worry about the stars.......you'll see a lot of it when you start riding your rigs (more than posting). i always see a lot of it (the stars) simply by just doing da wall, more of it when you do sierra, helipad and reverse palace. ;D sarap makakita ng stars mind you ;D what more when you have some "humihiwalay ang kaluluwa" (trans:astral experience) while climbing da wall. try it you'll love it , so......... WALK THE TALK!!! Thats how other PinoyMTBiker/non-PinoyMTBiker guys perceive current PinoyMTBiker environment: Many members are all talk, but can't back it up...may it be technical or topics like this... can talk the talk but cant walk the walk. Many posers posting like they know what they are talking about. Back up what you say and don't screw up PinoyMTBiker's reputation ;D. If you had first hand info then either post the LBS name if you have the balls to back it up or don't even think of posting it. Are we far better off when this topic started up to this point? Think about it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cooperate or evaporate -Mayor Lim...kaya pala nag evaporate ang baywalk ;D
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Post by fattire on Sept 25, 2007 14:19:56 GMT 8
Thats how other PinoyMTBiker/non-PinoyMTBiker guys perceive current PinoyMTBiker environment: Many members are all talk, but can't back it up...may it be technical or topics like this... can talk the talk but cant walk the walk. Many posers posting like they know what they are talking about. sad but true but i wouldn't put it at "many" i feel sorry for posts that were done too quick off the keyboard and none too long in the head. all that comes out are a garble of text that proclaims "i'm the center of the universe!" they prolly read again their posts ad nauseam and still they feel they've done no harm. sadly, we know better and it's a disgusting disservice to those who are starting out in mountainbiking being misinformed. here's a bit of hip-hop wisdom for them: "yo better check yo head before yo wreck yo'self" - Ice Cube Patrick here's a far sicker puppy than the one you described. It's a rider who walks it and talks it and talks it even more spreading hate against my riding and your riding and everyone else's riding. but just like here in PinoyMTBiker where "TOLERANCE" wins the day, i give my other cheek. i hope it don't bother them that it goes with a sharpened elbow. and yet again i have another hip-hop wisdom for them "hate the game, not the playa"
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Post by maxbuwaya on Sept 25, 2007 15:24:06 GMT 8
to corroborate alphabolt's take on the matter: blind items are best discussed in star talk, boy abunda's show. etc. if its just hearsay and third party information and not based on concrete evidence and hard facts, hold your gun people.......masama ang nagbibintang this is a mtbiking forum people......this is not a showbiz talk show ;D Man, I really hate that blind item culture in our media, even Inquirer business section has it! It sucks really! or It really sucks! Dont bring the Blind item rubbish here!!!
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Post by jakecastle on Sept 27, 2007 6:26:47 GMT 8
I'm sure that there is one famous shop in quiapo that tries to pass on second hand items as brand new. I dont want to name her shop... she's so mataray eh.... to the point that she'll trespas into her competitor's shop to argue w/ customer when she fails close the deal
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Post by savers on Sept 27, 2007 7:58:36 GMT 8
in my opinion, sometimes its ok to buy a 2nd hand item or baklas from a built bike for a lesser cost and value for your money. it is also ok if the seller will notify you that the item was "pinabebenta lang ng customer " or "binaklas yan sa built bike". what matter is when the seller will deceived you by portraying that the item is new when in fact that you are knowledgeable enough to distinguished brand new from 2nd hand.
as per my experienced with cristy bike shop in cartimar, i asked cristy the owner on how much is the xt hubs (2nd hand as per observation base on spoke rub on the hubs) she told me that its Php3,200 wherein the brand new is Php 2,800. if i dont know the brand new price perhaps i will be short change from this transaction.
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Post by maxbuwaya on Sept 27, 2007 10:34:38 GMT 8
as per my experienced with cristy bike shop in cartimar, i asked cristy the owner on how much is the xt hubs (2nd hand as per observation base on spoke rub on the hubs) she told me that its Php3,200 wherein the brand new is Php 2,800. if i dont know the brand new price perhaps i will be short change from this transaction. My Giant XTC 2003 from cristys for two months i thought it was brand new, Other cyclist says the price is too unbelievable, then i realize the price might be too good to be true. Then checking the bike again, and remembering some details, i realize its second hand. Though for the price it is still a steal. Soometimes it would cross my mind when am out with friends, that someone will approach me and will say, "hey man that looks like my stolen bike". heheheh
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Post by knobbyist on Sept 27, 2007 12:55:52 GMT 8
I'm sure that there is one famous shop in quiapo that tries to pass on second hand items as brand new. I dont want to name her shop... she's so mataray eh.... to the point that she'll trespas into her competitor's shop to argue w/ customer when she fails close the deal deym... blind item. the who?! hehehe! i've a pretty good idea who that is. i know she's mataray but deym this is the first time i heard she did something like that. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by maxbuwaya on Sept 27, 2007 14:12:55 GMT 8
I'm sure that there is one famous shop in quiapo that tries to pass on second hand items as brand new. I dont want to name her shop... she's so mataray eh.... to the point that she'll trespas into her competitor's shop to argue w/ customer when she fails close the deal I think you have a crush on her
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