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Post by mackiee on Feb 1, 2007 13:34:29 GMT 8
Hi guys, Im just asking for an advice for some DH riders & huckers out there on how to aviod again my knee injuries when dropping 5to 6ft landing in a flat concrete my last drop on that height was in a painful way coz i almost dislocated my left knee but i can manage to return it back coz i have history in dislocating my knee in basketball (parang maluwag na ang tuhod ko sa kaliwa) in basic on drops landing let your feet and arms absorbs the impact "What will i do or position to avoid my knee to absorb all the impact to avoid accidents again ouch!!!"my last in mind i do is to let my saddle absorbs my weight" by the way this is the bike that im using
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Post by wheelie25 on Feb 1, 2007 17:06:56 GMT 8
Mackiee. I recently have knee surgery (ACL) and still, I have some limitations in bending it (130 degrees lang) but I still can manage to drop at significant height (and jumps). Crashing is unavoidabe but there are some ways to protect your knee.
I'm currently waiting for a good sports knee brace designed for motox with extension limit, but meanwhile, I practice on height progression.
Whenever you land, always slightly bend your knee and absorb it in such a way that you mimic a suspension i.e. the more travel the fork has, the smoother the landing. Do not hyperextend you knee on impact. In an event that you crash, roll your body to absorb the energy - Do not dab your bad leg. Wear every protective gear nessesary. Weight training is also compulsory to your legs for added strength. I plan to squat 500 lbs before the summer ends.
You may go to PEYUPS every Sunday for some safe practice. I'm the one with Knee brace and C2 drink in one hand at Manny's store or bring some beer if you must ;D
And f** k the doctors' advise when they tell you to prevent you to strenious activities like this, they know nothing on human capabilities and determinations. Hope that helps
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Post by mackiee on Feb 1, 2007 20:30:02 GMT 8
Mackiee. I recently have knee surgery (ACL) and still, I have some limitations in bending it (130 degrees lang) but I still can manage to drop at significant height (and jumps). Crashing is unavoidabe but there are some ways to protect your knee. I'm currently waiting for a good sports knee brace designed for motox with extension limit, but meanwhile, I practice on height progression. Whenever you land, always slightly bend your knee and absorb it in such a way that you mimic a suspension i.e. the more travel the fork has, the smoother the landing. Do not hyperextend you knee on impact. In an event that you crash, roll your body to absorb the energy - Do not dab your bad leg. Wear every protective gear nessesary. Weight training is also compulsory to your legs for added strength. I plan to squat 500 lbs before the summer ends. You may go to PEYUPS every Sunday for some safe practice. I'm the one with Knee brace and C2 drink in one hand at Manny's store or bring some beer if you must ;D And f** k the doctors' advise when they tell you to prevent you to strenious activities like this, they know nothing on human capabilities and determinations. Hope that helps My last Sunday ride is in PEYUPS we met with yoyeebird, Ben, and others and i play in the mini racetrack near the store of mang Manny there has a drop up to 4ft. or 5ft all im doing when landing i will bend my knee and let my saddle absorbs my impact that im doing recently to avoid another accident again. "TNX FOR THE SUGGESTION"
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Post by mackiee on Feb 1, 2007 20:35:11 GMT 8
You may go to PEYUPS every Sunday for some safe practice. I'm the one with Knee brace and C2 drink in one hand at Manny's store or bring some beer if you must ;D IM JUST CURIOUS YOUR BIKE IS A PIMPED SHAWN H3 AND YOUR FORK IS MARZ66RC WHITE IF IM CORRECT?
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Post by Poseur on Feb 1, 2007 21:16:18 GMT 8
don't do it if it's to a flat... why?!!!
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Post by wheelie25 on Feb 1, 2007 23:22:19 GMT 8
You may go to PEYUPS every Sunday for some safe practice. I'm the one with Knee brace and C2 drink in one hand at Manny's store or bring some beer if you must ;D IM JUST CURIOUS YOUR BIKE IS A PIMPED SHAWN H3 AND YOUR FORK IS MARZ66RC WHITE IF IM CORRECT? Hehehe! Dami natin knee injury members sa 43 Welcome brad! See you at PEYUPS this Sunday. Yep! That's me.
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Post by >rocketman> on Feb 2, 2007 4:23:03 GMT 8
Hi guys, Im just asking for an advice for some DH riders & huckers out there on how to aviod again my knee injuries when dropping 5to 6ft landing in a flat concrete my last drop on that height was in a painful way coz i almost dislocated my left knee but i can manage to return it back coz i have history in dislocating my knee in basketball (parang maluwag na ang tuhod ko sa kaliwa) in basic on drops landing let your feet and arms absorbs the impact "What will i do or position to avoid my knee to absorb all the impact to avoid accidents again ouch!!!"my last in mind i do is to let my saddle absorbs my weight" by the way this is the bike that im usingWhat! 5 -6 ft "FLAT LANDING" and its' concrete hehehe, nice, and Ouch? but Downhillers and downhill racers prefer drops with TRANSITION RAMPS brad, smooth landing. Even in the videos of famous HUCKERS and CLIFF DIVERS prefer to drop with TRANSITION RAMPS (natural and man made) Even the shore riders have wooden TRANSITION RAMPS Dirt jumpers, slopestyle riders prefer to do it with dirt TRANSITION RAMPS. save your bike, save your fork and shocks , save your components, and most of all save your knee. still into 5-6 Flat LAndings, study TRIALS teknik "wheelie drop" if you can on your Dh bike or use a urban hardtail PEYUPS dirt jumps have transition ramps bcoz they (43) know and their advisers are pro downhillers (bans and boyet and eli and thena)
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Post by mackiee on Feb 2, 2007 8:34:09 GMT 8
IM JUST CURIOUS YOUR BIKE IS A PIMPED SHAWN H3 AND YOUR FORK IS MARZ66RC WHITE IF IM CORRECT? Hehehe! Dami natin knee injury members sa 43 Welcome brad! See you at PEYUPS this Sunday. Yep! That's me. gud am wheelie if you can remember im the guy who ask to you why you dont join in the patiis race DH reunion in the race day and youi said to me that that you have already taken at surgery in your knee and i see your knee brace you are comfortable with that brace?
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Post by mackiee on Feb 2, 2007 8:41:17 GMT 8
don't do it if it's to a flat... why?!!! gud day sir our drops in pasig its like urban Dh style like stages, stairs, its hard to find drops w/ recievers in my place its all flat i will lesser the times i flip it out again my knee. & i dnt have much time to go to Dh trails coz of my work at the ofis.
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Post by wheelie25 on Feb 3, 2007 0:47:41 GMT 8
Hehehe! Dami natin knee injury members sa 43 Welcome brad! See you at PEYUPS this Sunday. Yep! That's me. gud am wheelie if you can remember im the guy who ask to you why you dont join in the patiis race DH reunion in the race day and youi said to me that that you have already taken at surgery in your knee and i see your knee brace you are comfortable with that brace? It helps a little because it keeps my ligaments warm and I feel that my knee is not loose. But I can't rely on it too much . It has a pair of metal hinges on both sides but it can't prevent you from injurying your knee again. I'd like to have one of these... Sealed bearing dual pivot on each side. Adjustable extension-limit to prevent hyperextension. Custom fit for maximum protection and no-slip. But there's no store in our country that offers this kind of product!
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Post by Blister T on Feb 3, 2007 11:38:47 GMT 8
WOOOOW!!!! i also need that! right now im using the same brace you are using. helps a lot but id rather have those. i dont have both my ACL and PCL and ligaments are torn. miniscus also almost gone. my knees are really loose and arthritis is really bad. good thing painkillers are fun!
brad let me know if you find a supplier for these ok? ill get one too. im thinking of ordering online also. would u tell me what brand that is?
also... i have a question... you = torn acl = pimped shawn h3 = 43 biker = jovell?
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Post by Patrick on Feb 3, 2007 12:29:20 GMT 8
Wheelie drop to rear maybe? I don't know about FS but for HT land the rear tire first absorb the landing with your legs (half the impact of a 2 tire landing), the body act as the suspension absorbing the impact as resistance in the bars. Then land the front tire. No sweat, no huge forces on the knees...and oh dont play basketball ;D love your knees.
Joolz could already do a 4 feet drop to flat on that technique with a slight knee injury, I bet he could easily do 5-6 ft.
BTW Congrats Joolz for being the 2nd to do the Intra wall hops after Louiepasaway
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Post by mackiee on Feb 3, 2007 13:25:00 GMT 8
Wheelie drop to rear maybe? I don't know about FS but for HT land the rear tire first absorb the landing with your legs (half the impact of a 2 tire landing), the body act as the suspension absorbing the impact as resistance in the bars. Then land the front tire. No sweat, no huge forces on the knees...and oh dont play basketball ;D love your knees.
Joolz could already do a 4 feet drop to flat on that technique with a slight knee injury, I bet he could easily do 5-6 ft.
BTW Congrats Joolz for being the 2nd to do the Intra wall hops after Louiepasaway[/quote]
I hope I can do that technique on my bike its very heavy on that technique all i just do is to just go fast and doublejump in drops weeeeeeee!!!!! what a feeling when u land
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Post by wheelie25 on Feb 3, 2007 20:23:19 GMT 8
also... i have a question... you = torn acl = pimped shawn h3 = 43 biker = jovell? Mere mention of my name will keep me out of the forum. Hahaha!
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Post by wheelie25 on Feb 3, 2007 20:55:17 GMT 8
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Post by Blister T on Feb 5, 2007 12:12:59 GMT 8
also... i have a question... you = torn acl = pimped shawn h3 = 43 biker = jovell? Mere mention of my name will keep me out of the forum. Hahaha! haha ikaw nga!! glad 2 know ur back here brad! shall we start our 'christian' antics again? back on the topic... i met a guy before who had a nice knee brace and he told me that there is an office somewhere in ayala makati that makes custom fitted knee braces for people like us. too bad i didnt get the exact address of the office. hope i could find them soon
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Post by wheelie25 on Feb 5, 2007 12:34:30 GMT 8
Mere mention of my name will keep me out of the forum. Hahaha! haha ikaw nga!! glad 2 know ur back here brad! shall we start our 'christian' antics again? Shhh!!! I'm lookin' forward to annoy somebody here... you know who. Hehehe! I got a big plan...Well, I've just e-mailed the a U.S. manufacturer, but it seems a burden for them to respond. I hope I'd get an answer soon.
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Post by wheelie25 on Feb 5, 2007 14:06:02 GMT 8
Blister, PM'ed you na at 43 on your inquiry about Vaude.
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Post by 3d3r on Feb 5, 2007 16:12:08 GMT 8
@ sir wheellie revillame, Would you mind if i ask you some question? it's about your knee injury? is it from bicycling? If its from biking could you tell us how can we do to avoid it? I love my knees and i do not want to have a knee injuries at all, cause i think i'm having a knee issues from biking. I really love to hear it from you sir.
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Post by mackiee on Feb 5, 2007 20:23:16 GMT 8
also... i have a question... you = torn acl = pimped shawn h3 = 43 biker = jovell? Mere mention of my name will keep me out of the forum. Hahaha! """"forbidden name """
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Post by jovellcheng on Feb 5, 2007 20:33:31 GMT 8
Bicycling is really not an impact sport since you don't hop from one foot to another. It's the hucking, dirt jumping and the downhill cathegory that ups the ante on the risk factor. The only advise that I can give you is really common - take your time in honing your skills.
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Post by REDNEB on Feb 5, 2007 21:32:32 GMT 8
hmmmmmm... nice topic tho.... ive been searching for a solution to this question for 2 decades now.. ;D wana learn how to land softly? try adding a lot of speed on ur take-off dsnt matter if its 5 or 25ft trust me... way back in the mid 90s when they said 10-15footers were inhuman.... screw that! i broke more bikes than bans can count his fingers.... lol ;D 5 ft is no different from 30 ft actually... try PUSH-PULL-EXTEND as u take-off ..AND IT DONT MATTER IF ITS GOT A TRANNY LANDING OR A FLAT ONE!!! ;D your bike would prolly bottom out and your leg extension on your take off would be bottomed as well with ur shoulders and arms buckling on impact.......... ;D but seriously with more speed u wont feel a thing........ iv been doing 10-30 footer flat landings all my life..... and one more question..... dont do flat landings man! your gonna break your bike prematurely TRUST ME!!! ;D go tranny landings ..... and to rocketman: yes 98% of the time yes to tranny landings.. but 2% still goes into "bahala na pag-lipad".LOLZ ;D ;D ;D yes bans is a very good teacher..... ;D pa red horse ka naman oi! ;D
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Post by jovellcheng on Feb 5, 2007 21:50:47 GMT 8
Ehem... Ammm, Redneb, Can we just push the man to the ledge and skip the mental torture? Bwahahaha! That's a good one! ;D
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Post by mackiee on Feb 6, 2007 13:14:34 GMT 8
hmmmmmm... nice topic tho.... ive been searching for a solution to this question for 2 decades now.. ;D wana learn how to land softly? try adding a lot of speed on ur take-off dsnt matter if its 5 or 25ft trust me... way back in the mid 90s when they said 10-15footers were inhuman.... screw that! i broke more bikes than bans can count his fingers.... lol ;D 5 ft is no different from 30 ft actually... try PUSH-PULL-EXTEND as u take-off ..AND IT DONT MATTER IF ITS GOT A TRANNY LANDING OR A FLAT ONE!!! ;D your bike would prolly bottom out and your leg extension on your take off would be bottomed as well with ur shoulders and arms buckling on impact.......... ;D but seriously with more speed u wont feel a thing........ iv been doing 10-30 footer flat landings all my life..... and one more question..... dont do flat landings man! your gonna break your bike prematurely TRUST ME!!! ;D go tranny landings ..... and to rocketman: yes 98% of the time yes to tranny landings.. but 2% still goes into "bahala na pag-lipad".LOLZ ;D ;D ;D yes bans is a very good teacher..... ;D pa red horse ka naman oi! ;D WOW!!!!!!!!!! What it fells leaping 30ft going down?
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Post by REDNEB on Feb 10, 2007 22:42:48 GMT 8
1st attempt... i had my eyes closed (LOL).....then i buckled n fell smack on ma' butt 2nd attempt... i was awake during take-off then i closed my eyes on landing then i flew over d bars 3rd attempt... i got everything perfect! luckily louie menia recorded it on video... 4th attempt... during race day i hucked it during practice.... dislocated my right shoulder(sisiw) i raced 2 more heats that day..... but the feeling of taking-off a 30 foot-to-flat drop is like bein on top of the world and nailing a perfect landing cannot be compared to anything humanly possible!!! lolerz................. like they say: the only way to awaken your inner demons would be to push your boundaries to a lvl where you can say.... AZTEEEG!!!! hehehehe
just my 2 cents...........
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Post by sonnydgr8t on Feb 21, 2007 19:44:55 GMT 8
i think its better to do jumps with receiver ramps to ensure safety..but i think when riding urban you dont have that kind of luxury...maybe floating would also help lessen the impact..like mimiking a coil spring in which not just using your knees to absorb the impact..but using your whole body to distribute the impact..just my 2 cents...
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Post by evets on Feb 27, 2007 1:18:00 GMT 8
besides the body position i think u have to calculate ur speed on the drop.the faster u go the lesser the impact coz ur gonna glide throu the drop which will ganerate less impact.the slower u go the harder the impactcoz ur gonna go vertical after the drop.
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Post by mackiee on Feb 27, 2007 12:33:56 GMT 8
besides the body position i think u have to calculate ur speed on the drop.the faster u go the lesser the impact coz ur gonna glide throu the drop which will ganerate less impact.the slower u go the harder the impactcoz ur gonna go vertical after the drop. YOURE RIGHT~!!!! thats Exactly i do in that pics ITS VERY EFFECTIVE!!!!
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Feb 27, 2007 13:05:46 GMT 8
yo papa.. nice to see u got it flowin...
tama sila if your going to follow their advices.. but also remember to study the site, practice, and progress. there are different approaches and you can find one that is suitable for a situational take-off.
i saw the pic that was beside star city along roxas blvd.. one of my favorite place... you can also try to step up the speed... bend ur knees on approach... hold the bars firmly and just let it shoot down without pulling it but don't push it down... the speed will carry you to land in almost both of the tires landing at the same time and in some times the front wheel goes first then the rear one. it's like a "race style" drop but in some times i see it like the flat landing is the "TRANNY" hehehehee.... but it's really nothing to worry of because of the long travel forks were using nowadays...
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