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Post by puregutz on Apr 5, 2005 12:06:31 GMT 8
Hey guys & gals,
Has anyone tried those new Shimano rear derailluers that uses reversed sping technology (watcha call those new tech?)
Are they any better than the old normal rise, rapid fires? What are its advantages?
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Post by gulliver on Apr 5, 2005 18:36:26 GMT 8
with the new derailleur, its easier and quicker to shift into a bigger cog on the climbs...supposedly even under power...but haven't tried dping so on mine hehehe
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Post by jr on Apr 5, 2005 19:35:52 GMT 8
Hey guys & gals, Has anyone tried those new Shimano rear derailluers that uses reversed sping technology (watcha call those new tech?) Are they any better than the old normal rise, rapid fires? What are its advantages? The rapid rise is been there since 9 speed hit the market (1997) and I'm been using since then. I don't know the difference between the two. Probably the cassette size lower cage use 11 -32 and long cage use 12 -34 just a guest.
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Post by anthrax76 on May 3, 2005 15:22:29 GMT 8
i've been using rapid rise for 2 years now. i like it because it's more intuitive, i know that if i shift using my thumb i'm going for the high gears whether it's the front or the back.
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Post by puregutz on May 5, 2005 7:51:28 GMT 8
with the new derailleur, its easier and quicker to shift into a bigger cog on the climbs...supposedly even under power...but haven't tried dping so on mine hehehe Shifting under power? If that's true that will really be great. Sir gulli please update naman on your review of the new shimano derailleurs. Thanks in advance...
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Post by gulliver on May 6, 2005 6:54:59 GMT 8
Shifting under power? If that's true that will really be great. Sir gulli please update naman on your review of the new shimano derailleurs. Thanks in advance... you know those moments during a climb when you find you're straining too hard on too high a gear?...so you decide to shift down but have to ease up markedly on the pedals to do so? well on the reverse spring tech or what i think is called a "low-bias system" R/D , you lose LESS momentum because you don't have to ease up as much on the pedal during the downshift...the R/D does most of the work for you. under the old tech, shifting into a higher gear is smoother and easier...not much use when hitting a climb you've underestimated the MBA people don't seem to like it, but i do hehehe
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Post by gulliver on May 6, 2005 7:06:01 GMT 8
este, the system is called "LOW-NORMAL" pala
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Post by puregutz on May 6, 2005 10:28:54 GMT 8
Sounds very logical...
May have to try it out for myself to find out if it will suit my riding style.
Thanks for the useful info sir...
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Post by anthrax76 on May 6, 2005 11:44:34 GMT 8
brad, are you using rapid fire shifters? if you have the high-normal shifters, normally you can downshift up to 4 gears in one go, but upshift only one gear at a time. if you are climbing, and you do this kind of shift, there's the possibility of losing momentum and you'll strain the chain more than enough.
for the rapid rise derailleurs, it's reversed. you can upshift as much as 4 gears at a time but downshift only one cog at a time. it's less straining on the chain you'll not lose too much momentum.
piece of advice though: if you try it out, try not to look at your rear gear indicator, because gear 1 will be your smallest sized gear and gear 7 is your biggest sized gear. confusing, he he he ;D
fortunately, for me, my shifters don't have gear indicators, so as long as i'm using my thumb, i know i'm going to the higher gears, he he he.
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Post by raven on May 12, 2005 17:31:50 GMT 8
i think both have the advantages, buty cater different task or set up, for cross or all mountain riders, the rapids are advantages, bec. of the climbs, they uses more of the lower gears, but , on the other hand, the shifting on higher gears has more strain, vise versa on a DH rider,higher gear is their game so rapidrise(reverse rise)does'nt apply much....for me the advantage of both RD rises depends on how u use it.....ride on brad's...........
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Post by gulliver on May 12, 2005 20:01:23 GMT 8
fortunately, for me, my shifters don't have gear indicators, so as long as i'm using my thumb, i know i'm going to the higher gears, he he he. actually, on the dual control levers its not that confusing. pressing down on the levers, for both the front and rear shifters, means you're going into a higher gear raven also has a point and i can agree with him on the usefulness of the 2 D/R techs -- it may depend on whether you spend a lot of time climbing...or speeding downhill :-)
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 13, 2005 19:05:39 GMT 8
personally for me, I dont like it.
Another Shimano hype? hehehehe
Dont kill me!!!!!
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Post by raven on May 16, 2005 18:36:15 GMT 8
sorry sir but its not the hype we were talking here its the use.......and advantages of the two technology...i guess what ur using right now is also an advance technology of a patent u.s. taiwan made parts...........cool dude.......don't kill me also..just explaining..peace.brad!!!.....
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 16, 2005 20:41:32 GMT 8
I think there are a ton of Mtb parts out there that are just hype. And a lot of manufacturers are full of @#$% saying this is better youll ride better and all that blah blah blah.
Ive tried them shimano and i still think its just a hype and another reason to buy their product hehehehehe
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Post by raven on May 17, 2005 11:19:12 GMT 8
and i may ask, what make u change from shimano to the brand u are using right now?isn't that hype?i know sram is a trend right now bec. everybody's using shimano.so they turn to sram.......just a thought............
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 17, 2005 18:51:07 GMT 8
Oh, i didnt change from shimano to Sramble egg. The bike i bought had Sram on them. And I think the grip shi t sucks also compared to regular rapid fire. (I think the early 90's shite mano 200GS is better hehehehehe)
But ive tried the rapid rise ek ek thing on fort sabak track and i think it sucks. (COurtesy of bikesters Jamis panis and stainds Sta cruz mabini harizon plaza)
Thats a nice thought you got there. If Sram is a trend right now then everbody is using Sram.
d@mn! I should find myself a pair of Sunrace gruppos
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Post by jr on May 17, 2005 21:40:24 GMT 8
and i may ask, what make u change from shimano to the brand u are using right now?isn't that hype?i know sram is a trend right now bec. everybody's using shimano.so they turn to sram.......just a thought............ My take.. SRAM is cheaper than shimano and there technology improve a lot in the last 2 years. This improvement happen during acquiring rockshox, Truvativ and avid. They have more money come in to develope new component, not only that they use the elite rider (sponsor) using SRAM's as a complete component of their bikes. MTB rider sees this and imatate them, good advertising But again its hard to compete with shimano owns at least 60 percent of the pie.
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Post by raven on May 18, 2005 10:03:58 GMT 8
cheaper? rear der.(X.0) for 10k........is that cheap?...xtr goes for 5k.....
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2005 10:12:38 GMT 8
cheaper? rear der.(X.0) for 10k........is that cheap?...xtr goes for 5k..... Raven, jr is state-side right now so the shimano is expensive on their side of the river compared to SRAM. X.0 from what I gathered made in US so its a bit expensive compared to the price of X.9, X.7 here & in US.
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Post by jr on May 18, 2005 10:54:04 GMT 8
cheaper? rear der.(X.0) for 10k........is that cheap?...xtr goes for 5k..... Look for all around components not one specific. If you compare to rear der. then compare the high end SRAM family to high end Shimano like cassettes, front der., shifters, cranksets. Shimano still way expensive compare to SRAM.
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Post by raven on May 19, 2005 13:59:30 GMT 8
OK.....MY FAULT...........RIDE DOOD............
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Post by Poseur on May 20, 2005 10:07:50 GMT 8
buy whatever u prefer. i'm still learning my rapid-rise saint RD. just got use to the original. the old guys will have a hard time re-learning.
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Post by jr on May 20, 2005 19:37:48 GMT 8
buy whatever u prefer. i'm still learning my rapid-rise saint RD. just got use to the original. the old guys will have a hard time re-learning. Peachy, Your not the only one ;D ;D. I have a friend do they same and still comfused specially on climbing.
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 21, 2005 22:13:15 GMT 8
i really thought that rapidfires wr develop for those sudden climbs. Now its a whole different story.
But its nice to have new technology available on our bikes, it keeps the sport interesting hehehehehe
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