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Post by maxbuwaya on Nov 7, 2004 22:50:10 GMT 8
And so they came they saw but havent conquered.(tama ba ito? ;D) So guys what do you think of taiwan bicycle companies? They are slowly creeping in some of our bikes, lalo na sa mga Factory Bikes. Would you settle them said taiwan brand over your Western engineered, taiwan manufactured parts? I've tested a couple of brands lately Exustar on shoes, wellgo on pedals(SUCKS BIG TIME!)Alex Rims and Aclassrims and Star helmets. Those brand ive tried can really level with popular brands. Plus they come in cheap prices and looks good too. Well for me, if its goin to get the job done why not d ba? hehehehehe
Ano pa ba mga other taiwan products?
GTS Well known for its tough Frame. also makes other shitloads of stuff for your bike, like stems and suspension forks
SunRace Although Havent seen a lot f this, This product seems to be competing with Suntour japan(Taiwan ba SunRace?) Manufacturer nga pala sila ng Drivetrain
RST forks Moslty Makikita ito sa mga Giant Bikes trek ANd many more!
Is Tektro Taiwan? How bout turbolite?
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Post by gulliver on Nov 7, 2004 23:37:37 GMT 8
almost all of the major bike brands job out their frame production to Taiwan builders like Giant & Merida so "Made in Taiwan" is no longer a symbol of inferior craftsmanship sa tingin ko.
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Post by maxbuwaya on Nov 8, 2004 0:48:09 GMT 8
yup almost all are made in taiwan.
But how bout those 100% Taiwan/China product?
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Post by warlock^_^ on Nov 8, 2004 8:28:13 GMT 8
Well....they have the best manufacturing facility, we cant say they dont have the best engineers since they can easily employ anyone from the west. And they are now leading producers of carbon components & frames.
Giant is well respected with its quality even within Taiwan. Even Merida engrs admittedly Giant's is the best in the business.
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Post by woofers on Nov 8, 2004 9:46:07 GMT 8
Here's an excerpt from Dan Empfield's article "The Bike Biz" at www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/features/bikebiz.htmlYou'd never know it by looking at it. It just seems like any reasonably dirty city in any emerging country. Choose any sidestreet in Taichung, walk halfway down, and ignore the fact that there is no fancy corporate sign outside announcing that fat blowhards sit inside behind oak and cherry desks, the way it would be in America. Just open the door, walk in, and be prepared to be bowled over by rows, and rows, and rows, and more rows, of CNC mills and lathes. And then walk into the adjacent room and hear the pounding of a half-dozen giant forging presses. Next door might be the tubing mill, with a dozen draw benches and a room full of CNC tube benders. Down the street from that guy is the extruder. Or perhaps just a small shop with a few machines. And so on. Impressive as all that is, what ought to scare the bejeesus out of "high tech" artisans in any first world country is what Taiwan can do with composites. I've toured the cream of the crop in composite factories in the U.S. When I go to Taiwan and tour those factories, they look exactly the same, except three times the size. Instead of one million-dollar walk-in autoclave on the floor, there are three our four. Funny thing is, they sit unused. Why? Because they're used for curing commodities like carbon golf shafts, which are now so easily made that even Taiwan can't make them cheaply enough! It can't compete with Mainland China! But the Taiwanese aren't complaining, because they own many of the factories on the mainland as well. Your Kestrel Talon, for example, is built by a Taiwanese company, but not in Taiwan. It's built in that company's mainland factory, as are many of the carbon forks you're riding, including many which are made by American composites companies. What Taiwan lacks is U.S. and European design sensibilities. Kestrel's Asian contractor can make fifty times the Talons that Kestrel can make in it's Watsonville, California factory, and it can make them for half the price. But it could never have made the first Talon without Kestrel's design expertise. There is one company in Taiwan, however, which bucks the trend and it is Giant. While I doubt that anyone from Trek is interested in commenting for the record, I'd be shocked if this American powerhouse doesn't see Giant—not Cannondale or Specialized—as its chief long-term competitor. Giant is not just a contractor. It has its own ability to invent and streamline processes, and it's got just enough ability to keep pace with its competitors on the design side. It's telling that so many start-ups in Taiwan—like Kinesis and Topeak—are headed by ex-Giant execs. In fact, in Taiwan it's termed "Giant U"—as in Giant University. When you hear that a certain firm is headed by graduates of Giant U it means that they've come up through the Giant system and were employees at that firm, where they learned how to compete.
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Post by woofers on Nov 8, 2004 9:58:23 GMT 8
I've tested a couple of brands lately Exustar on shoes, wellgo on pedals(SUCKS BIG TIME!)Alex Rims Which Wellgo pedal did you try? Platform or SPD? I liked my magnesium Wellgo plat pedals with set screws. Very grippy with my Vans. I hear it's hard to make a decent SPD-compatible pedal, for some reason.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Nov 8, 2004 15:38:56 GMT 8
Here's another company thats still unrecognized, but I see their products being sold in the auction often. TOKEN PRODUCTSEmailed them before if they have dealers in the Philippines, they said wla pa daw. But more the willing to try out the market for six months. Hey Max, baka interesado ka? or pasa mo na lang ke Calamity maybe she'll be interested. Seems okey naman products nila.
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 8, 2004 19:39:45 GMT 8
major customers of kinesis taiwan are the following:
diamondback, felt, gt, schwinn, haro, ironhorse, jamis, k2, raleigh, trek, sta cruz and kona(minor)
i believe most specialized frames are also made in taiwan.
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Post by bernie on Nov 9, 2004 9:11:35 GMT 8
Di ba ang Hope at Hayes sa Taiwan na din tinitira like Cannondale?
anyway, labor lang naman yata pero the raw materials sa US pa din.
OK naman ang Taiwanese Bikes,
I've tested the GTS frame, super Parusa ang inabot sa bigat ko kapag ibinabagsak ko sa rampahan sa CALIRAYA, buhay pa naman wala pa bumibigay.
What happened to MOB anyway?
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Post by warlock^_^ on Nov 9, 2004 9:16:40 GMT 8
Di ba ang Hope at Hayes sa Taiwan na din tinitira like Cannondale? anyway, labor lang naman yata pero the raw materials sa US pa din. OK naman ang Taiwanese Bikes, I've tested the GTS frame, super Parusa ang inabot sa bigat ko kapag ibinabagsak ko sa rampahan sa CALIRAYA, buhay pa naman wala pa bumibigay. What happened to MOB anyway? Nope, Hope is a UK company, majority of their components are still being manufatured in UK, I saw a Hope XC hubs lately, still has this Made in UK etched on it, baka yung ibang small component subcontracted na.
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Post by bernie on Nov 9, 2004 11:00:01 GMT 8
Nope, Hope is a UK company, majority of their components are still being manufatured in UK, I saw a Hope XC hubs lately, still has this Made in UK etched on it, baka yung ibang small component subcontracted na. Kasi last Sunday may nakausap ako sa mga Ayala-Alabang riders about that Hope at Hayes products, sabi nila, umano ang mga yan ay nagpapa-labor na sa Taiwan, i donno kung tutoo kaya check ko dito. Anyway kung tutoo man yan o dehins, still mga top of the lines ang mga yan at mahirap ma-reach unless may pera kang pangpakawala at ng mahigpit na kaaway-si misis! bwa ha ha ha ha
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Post by trixxter on Nov 20, 2004 11:30:04 GMT 8
major customers of kinesis taiwan are the following: diamondback, felt, gt, schwinn, haro, ironhorse, jamis, k2, raleigh, trek, sta cruz and kona(minor) i believe most specialized frames are also made in taiwan. I think MOUTAIN CYCLES also or do KINESIS own it? I also found out KINESIS also welds some SANTA CRUZ frames (Not sure how accurate is this)
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Post by bernie on Nov 22, 2004 7:10:02 GMT 8
...anyway, who cares naman kung made in taiwan na nga ang mga ito as long as the raw materials came from the country of origin just like the mercedez benz na may labor na sa Korea,
bottom line is still
ang mamahal pa din nila he he he ;D
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Post by gonz on Nov 25, 2004 16:21:44 GMT 8
I've read an article in MTB Action about this issue ( Taiwan made frames ).
Sabi dun most brands ( particularly US brands ) have their frames made in Taiwan specifically those factory bikes at $800 and below level. But those on the $800 and above level handmade US na daw. One of the points na na mention sa article are the gussets and yung craftsmanship, lalo na yung finishing or quality ng welding. Those Taiwan made frames normally has a very noticeable welded joints ( parang balat ng ahas - hope I described it correctly ) while those made in US have refined welded joints - dehins masyadong halata lalo na pag painted na.
Some big name bike frames, like GT for example, are all made in Taiwan.
Sa tingin ko big name bike manufacturers wouldn't trust this Taiwan manufacturers kung di competetive. So regardless kung above or below $800 factory bike yan, it doesn't change the fact that this brands employed the services of Taiwan manufacturers.
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Post by staind on Nov 25, 2004 16:51:20 GMT 8
my 2 sentimos, doesn't matter to me as long as quality is not compromised (which in most US frame manufacturers' cases, it isn't). but of course, there's still that pride in saying that a frame is hand-made in the US, instead of mass-produced in Taiwan. iba pa rin dating nun. but, as long as the bike/frame/part design works and is durable, it's all good.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Nov 29, 2004 11:22:56 GMT 8
If there still some people you know having doubts about the Taiwan's quality...next time they ride have them look closely at the rider there next to them riding a Spez Epic, Enduro, Stumpjumper or a Santa Cruz Heckler or perhaps a Yeti 575..... then ask him again if he still has doubts about the QUALITY.
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Post by bernie on Dec 1, 2004 13:21:17 GMT 8
May nabili ako na Jamis FX Komodo ( Frame lang P8,000.00 mura ba mahal), Made in Taiwan, mukhang OK naman, maganda ang geometry nya at finishing, triple butt 7005, hope that this has the same quality of that they are advertising.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Dec 1, 2004 13:46:48 GMT 8
May nabili ako na Jamis FX Komodo ( Frame lang P8,000.00 mura ba mahal), Made in Taiwan, mukhang OK naman, maganda ang geometry nya at finishing, triple butt 7005, hope that this has the same quality of that they are advertising. Berns, if I remember right sabi ni mcvarki mga 10K plus ata to dati sa Powerbikes, ganda kabitan ng LX 05 to, Kung Jamis FX 04 yan, big hit hard tail na yan, pede na freeride, bagay talaga sa weight mo.
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Post by bernie on Dec 1, 2004 14:31:04 GMT 8
Berns, if I remember right sabi ni mcvarki mga 10K plus ata to dati sa Powerbikes, ganda kabitan ng LX 05 to, Kung Jamis FX 04 yan, big hit hard tail na yan, pede na freeride, bagay talaga sa weight mo. Pinagiipunan ko na nga yung LX 05 e, dami nang ads dito di ba he he he, kaya lang size 17" lang siya Im about 5'8" di kaya alanganin, malaki pa pigi ko he he he ! Kasama na ang seat post at Headset ( FSA lang naman ) so nakamura na pala ako.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Dec 1, 2004 14:34:31 GMT 8
Pinagiipunan ko na nga yung LX 05 e, dami nang ads dito di ba he he he, kaya lang size 17" lang siya Im about 5'8" di kaya alanganin, malaki pa pigi ko he he he ! Kasama na ang seat post at Headset ( FSA lang naman ) so nakamura na pala ako. Kung alam mo inseam mo, check mo na lang sa geometry dito pre Jamis HT Geometry
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Post by bernie on Dec 1, 2004 15:11:45 GMT 8
di ko mabasa e, ang labo, blurred, anyway ok lang kung medyo mapaliit, adjust ko na lang upuan o stem. Thanks
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Post by warlock^_^ on Dec 1, 2004 15:16:35 GMT 8
di ko mabasa e, ang labo, blurred, anyway ok lang kung medyo mapaliit, adjust ko na lang upuan o stem. Thanks Hoy fafa, naeenlarge ang image...hintayin mo may lalabas ng enalarge icon sa gilid.
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