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Post by gulliver on Oct 27, 2004 13:15:54 GMT 8
thought maybe actual users might be able to comment on this, esp if you've gone through more than one gen of these babies. are they? the toughest & the lightest for XC use? some say the XT is tougher... also some say there are durability issues w/ the 03 versions... also, how can you tell an 03 from an 04?
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Post by staind on Oct 27, 2004 13:59:25 GMT 8
if i'm not mistaken, late 03 lumabas yung hollowtech 2, yung see-through na ga-piso ang size ng BB hole. that's the new model which costs around P14,500. also look at the Race Face equivalent, ganda ng RF! boss ted, if you decide to upgrade, i get first dibs on your XT cranks, ok? don't forget.
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Post by gulliver on Oct 27, 2004 14:47:44 GMT 8
joey, are you referring to the RF Deus? brad, sa mtbr, maraming complaints about installing those things kaya medyo na turn-off ako...pero maganda(aesthetically) at magaan daw talaga kaya re my XT's hmmmm ;D
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Post by sworksmike on Oct 27, 2004 22:50:41 GMT 8
naka xtr ako pero di ba may fsa na carbon so sa tingin ko mas light yun
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Post by gulliver on Oct 28, 2004 9:59:23 GMT 8
naka xtr ako pero di ba may fsa na carbon so sa tingin ko mas light yun uy, will check that out vt2
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Post by MR. SUAVE on Oct 28, 2004 13:48:48 GMT 8
uy, will check that out vt2 sir gulli, wag ka lumayo...punta na kay Edmund...sya huling nakita ko may FSA na carbon team cranks..if you enter the store..dun sa may counter..yung may mirror shelves...look down. Alas!
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Post by kiddfoes on Oct 28, 2004 15:16:33 GMT 8
i didn't have any problems with the ones i got Gulli. before i had an 80 mm set-up on my fork that leaves me a low ground clearance with my BB that pedalling-up during tight switchback would hit those crankarms...countless times in rocks and dirt i mean a real abused ride on top of my weight and still theyre working perfectly fine up to now. hope that would define it's toughness. i don't have any issues regarding it's durability...i've been on it for over a year, it didn't let me down. I had XTs but way back 96 i think...so i dont have any experience with those new ones. a friend of mine has 2004 XT set-up with his K2...can't complain with it daw. there's no difference between 03 and 04, they're both hollowtech II and with built-in BB. while 2002 model and below you'll have to have a bottom brcket separately. lightness? one of but it's not the lightest in the market. 2003 XTRs is 12 grams heavier compared to FSA's carbon team issue and 47 grams heavier to their top of the line K-force Mega Exo Carbon, unfortunately. does this mean that your going for something different....trying to go to the next level? "bike has to go on"
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Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 28, 2004 15:26:58 GMT 8
AFAIK , 2003 & 2004 is the same banana FC-960. Only the XT had a major facelift for 2004. Earlier model of XTR was the FC-952-4/952-5 ;D
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Post by gulliver on Oct 29, 2004 0:16:59 GMT 8
warlock, thanks for the clarification man kiddfoes, thanks too for the testimonial! hehehe, am trying to lighten up my enduro currently at 29 lbs. you don't feel it riding the bike but carrying it on the hike-a-bikes we commonly encounter...i can feel it! so, am looking to shaving off at least 2 lbs, and see the intial targets are the crankset and the hubs ...but think its really going to cost me mr suave, carbon cranksets hmmm, di ba delikado yun? like pag sumabit sa bato, etc
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Post by GALVinChie on Oct 29, 2004 15:22:53 GMT 8
Gulls,
If you're after lightweight, go for the FSA Carbon Pro crankset or the RaceFace Next. Difference ng dalawa, I think the former's carbon mesh envelops the aluminum crankarm skeleton while the latter is the other way around. Definitely, they're lighter than the XTRs whether m952s yan or the latest generations.
Durability, I think the 5-arm spyder of the XTRs (m952) are still the toughest compared with the old or latest XTs. That's according to the Shimano article I read long time ago.
If you're really into shaving more weight off your Enduro or SJ, go for carbon componentry like your handlebars, seatposts, and spokes--problem lang with the third, I think Spinnergy lang ang gumagawa nun para sa kanilang wheelset. Another option in combination with the carbons is titanium like Ti rails for your saddle, and Ti pedals like the egg beaters or Time. For your wheelset, Crossmax maybe? Lastly, If I may quote Sir Warlock, Hydraulics can really help in the weight department. Check out Hayes hydros with Ti and carbon componentry for its levers and calipers. Di ko lang ma-recall ano ang name ng variant.
What do you think Gulls?
With the things mentioned, kung dehins bumaba ang weight ng bike mo, wallet mo siguradong gagaan.
Goodluck.
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Post by MR. SUAVE on Oct 29, 2004 16:20:47 GMT 8
mr suave, carbon cranksets hmmm, di ba delikado yun? like pag sumabit sa bato, etc but they look d@mn good hehe..aesthetics department
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Post by gulliver on Oct 29, 2004 16:35:21 GMT 8
What do you think Gulls? With the things mentioned, kung dehins bumaba ang weight ng bike mo, wallet mo siguradong gagaan. Goodluck. Gavinchie, that's just it! hehehe...so trying to be reasonable lang. have no weight issue w/ the SJ, can carry her easily over distance...24 lbs lang kc...and thats w/ XT components. no more changes planned for her ;D yung enduro at 29 lbs, ibang usapan the extra 4 lbs feel mo na after crossing 2 rivers sa wawa hehehe...not planning to go overboard, and frankly, not too keen on carbon (too brittle sabi ng iba ) but remain interested in XTR crankset, DT hubs, diffrent saddle, handlebar and maybe, just maybe a tubeless kit (w/o changing the wheelset) ...think that should do it....pero dahan-dahan lang, ayokong biglang gumaan pitaka ko
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Post by staind on Oct 29, 2004 16:47:30 GMT 8
gulli, dapat sa Xmas wish list mo i-post to. ;D
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Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 29, 2004 17:35:27 GMT 8
Gull,
Changing your crank from XT FC-760 to XTR FC-960 wouldnt gain much, its just about -63g difference in their listed weights.
Seems you on the right path on "weight winneing" your Enduro. Minimal cost expenditure lightening will be change saddle, lighter tires, change those ODI grips for WTB Porkrinds, remove the side mirror & sidecar ;D
Wallet/Bike lightening ideas will be: 1.) Ck Hubs/Stan's ZTR disc rim or Crossmax SL wheelset 2.) Go Hydros; Magura, Avid Juicy or Hayes El Camino/Mag Plus
3.) Replace the Frame....Enduros are not meant to be light ;D
Cheapest Solution I know: Ride more! which will eventually result to a better Rider-Power to Bike-Weight ratio ;D
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 29, 2004 17:41:26 GMT 8
Gavinchie, that's just it! hehehe...so trying to be reasonable lang. have no weight issue w/ the SJ, can carry her easily over distance...24 lbs lang kc...and thats w/ XT components. no more changes planned for her ;D yung enduro at 29 lbs, ibang usapan the extra 4 lbs feel mo na after crossing 2 rivers sa wawa hehehe...not planning to go overboard, and frankly, not too keen on carbon (too brittle sabi ng iba ) but remain interested in XTR crankset, DT hubs, diffrent saddle, handlebar and maybe, just maybe a tubeless kit (w/o changing the wheelset) ...think that should do it....pero dahan-dahan lang, ayokong biglang gumaan pitaka ko ayos lang yan ted...magandang training bike yung mabigat...pag sakay mo sa ht mo feeling mo si lance ka..
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Post by gulliver on Oct 29, 2004 22:39:45 GMT 8
hehehe, kayo talaga...ayoko ngang bitawan yung enduro ko 'no! ;D i saw one enduro set up for 27.2 lbs, full XTR, Mavic crossmax, carbon bar, ti saddle.... like the XTR but don't favor hydros....yet. like the looks of the crossmax, but don't think they're worth the money...at all and don't like carbon on parts subjected to high stress like the bar and cranks. not for my kind of riding figure w/ better and lighter hubs, cranks, saddle, and tubeless (saw the nov issue of MB Action and converting my rims and tires doesn't look so difficult after all...so there's hope for a conversion system yet!)...i should shave off 2 lbs(just barely) off the bike remember dudes, its carrying the bike on hike-a-bikes when i feel its weight, not when i ride it. or maybe i should just lift weights in some boring gym...not! ;D
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Post by kiddfoes on Oct 30, 2004 1:42:05 GMT 8
Gulli, are you using the whole 125 mm of your TALAS? That fork alone weighs 4lbs. i was thinking if your only using maybe 80 mm or 2 clicks more ...or 100 mm even, maybe we should start shaving off from the fork . or you can swap the fork from your SJ, since ur not using the whole travel of your talas. kaso mawawalan ng masel yang enduro mo ;D. maybe change your pedals. go for the lighter ones...eggbeater or time ATAc carbon. you might consider changing your stem and seatpost to easton ec-70 carbon and magnesium 60. grab the monkeylite bars of easton. consult Stan's tubeless kit, it helps shave the weight a bit, or change the whole thing to Spinergy Xyclone wheelsets, it'll make the difference. hehehe converting to xtrs also helps. or maybe you wont need all of those, instead you need this.... just like you said ;D enduro is a bit heavier than most full suspension xc frames, but if you have the right components you can shave those extra pounds. just my 2 cents sir gulli ;D
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Post by GALVinChie on Oct 30, 2004 10:31:57 GMT 8
Gulls,
Pahabol lang. I think the XTR cranks AND the SRAM X.O deraileur set will do the trick kung two pounds lang ang ibabawas mo.
Okey ba?
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Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 30, 2004 11:40:42 GMT 8
Gulls, Pahabol lang. I think the XTR cranks AND the SRAM X.O deraileur set will do the trick kung two pounds lang ang ibabawas mo. Okey ba? Hmm Present setup: (ref Weight weenie) XT Crankset = 860g XT Rear Derailer=265g (long cage) XT Shifters = 282g (w/ cable) sub total 1407g Proposed setup: XTR Crankset = 797 X0 Rear Derailer= 210g X0 Twist Shifter = 207 (w/ cable) X.9 Trigger Shifter = 292g sub total 1217 ~1299g weight advantage 190~108g or 0.418~0.238 lbs or did I miss anything?
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Post by GALVinChie on Oct 30, 2004 12:09:42 GMT 8
Yikes!
Malayo papala.
Thanks Warlock.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 30, 2004 13:03:28 GMT 8
Yikes! Malayo papala. Thanks Warlock. No, I should be thanking you, made me calculate which I should have done long time ago hehe procrastinating.... Just prove that all that money poured on the replacement will just gain us few grams.
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Post by gulliver on Oct 31, 2004 9:23:00 GMT 8
Just prove that all that money poured on the replacement will just gain us few grams. excellent point warlocky! yesterday, i had the chance to lift Dan's enduro (same as mine but w/ full XTR, tubess tires, carbon bar, ti saddle...and approx 2 lbs lighter than my bike version. sheesh, could hardly feel the difference!!! seems to me shelling out over.... what, 70K for 2 lbs weight loss on the bike just isnt...practical oh well, guess the main question of this thread is pretty much clear, but as to why i asked it....seems kiddfoes idea on the weights is the best ;D ;D ;D and no kiddfoes, replacing the Talas or the frame at this point is OOTQ(out of the question) hehehe thanks guys, this discussion really really helped! but the crankset question is still debatable
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Post by sworksmike on Oct 31, 2004 13:17:51 GMT 8
Sa tibay sa tingin ko the xtr is proven na di ba yun mga downhillers na sponsored ng shimano before magka saint they were using xtr cranks and rear dr.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 31, 2004 13:57:05 GMT 8
Sa tibay sa tingin ko the xtr is proven na di ba yun mga downhillers na sponsored ng shimano before magka saint they were using xtr cranks and rear dr. Would like to sight that XTR have a DH specific crankset, and typically they use short cage derailers for DH. So thats why they come up with the DH specific line because of the shortcomings of the earlier release.
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Post by sworksmike on Oct 31, 2004 14:22:42 GMT 8
Hmm Present setup: (ref Weight weenie) XT Crankset = 860g XT Rear Derailer=265g (long cage) XT Shifters = 282g (w/ cable) sub total 1407g sub total 1217 ~1299g weight advantage 190~108g or 0.418~0.238 lbs or did I miss anything? Pero kung dual controls na gagamitin mo makakasave kapa ilan grams kasi the xtr has the shifter and brake levers in one. Tapos kung hydros naman sure na mas magaan ito sa mech brakes plus the advantages of hydros.
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