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Post by boyok on Jun 8, 2004 2:39:47 GMT 8
Been looking for a sealant for my tubeless hoops for quite some time now. With tubeless tires and a good sealant, there ought to be no more pinch flats on the trail. A friend told me about Slime and that it's available at True Value. Yup, daming stocks alright so I got myself a test tube. It really works! Kita yung Slime oozing out of punctures (manufacturer claims it can seal off holes as big as 1/4") and stopping the leak in a few seconds! Miski side wall tears kayangkaya If you finally decide on going tubeless, Slime's a better alternative than Stan's NoTubes. Slime is a lot more affordable (P680 for 16 oz Slime bottle vs. P ~P4500 for the Stans Conversion kit at BikeRoom) and does the job pretty well What's more, you can use Slime also for your car's wheels ;D ;D ;D
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Post by bernie on Jun 21, 2004 11:35:25 GMT 8
OK naman yang ealants, sabog na lang ang kalaban niiyan saka sirang balbula.
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Post by GALVinChie on Aug 31, 2004 9:07:14 GMT 8
I can personally attest that sealants really work. Just had two punctures this Sunday last and I never knew I had them till I cleaned my bike.
How far I travelled last weekend, no idea but it covered the areas of PEYUPS, Ateneo, Greenhills, Wack Wack Golf Club, then home in Cubao.
The ride was more of a road ride except for an off-road part at the corner of Santolan and Katipunan--area na nahulog ang Expedition ni Vandolph. I think that's the area where I got the punctures. Okey lang suguro kung sumingaw lang dito sa Manila. What if, kung nasa one of the trails. Paano na.
Tama, si Boyok, ANG DAMI ng Slime sa True-Value. Super mura compared sa Stan's, sale pa. Try it out and I think it can save you from lots of flats.
Just a warning about Slime selection. They come in two types. One is for UST tires and the other is for tube types. So basahin ninyong mabuti. They come in three sizes--8 oz, 16 oz, and 32 oz. I got the 8 oz last april pa and priced at Php240.
The instruction on how much to put is at the back label. They also have a website for their other products.
If my memory serves me right, I think, I have a small feedback about the STAN'S and the SLIME--which to use for particular rides and weather. Hanapin ko for everyone's info.
So, if you have plans this weekend, sealants should be a part of your nescessities. Don't let unwanted flats ruin your ride so bili na.
Happy trails.
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Post by GALVinChie on Aug 31, 2004 9:38:36 GMT 8
As promised,
Slime vs Stan
Q. IN YOUR ARTICLE ON TUBELESS TIRES, YOU RECOMMENDED USING BOTH SLIME AND STAN'S TIRE AND RIM SEALANT. DO THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING, AND IF SO, WHICH ONE DO YOU FIND WORKS BETTER?
R.C.: Slime is easily purchased from any motorcycle or bike shop. Slime has fibers in its mixture that clog the hole and an adhesive substance that hardens once it contacts the outside atmosphere. Stan's is only available directly from the company. Stan's is a water-soluble latex rubber liquid that hardens whem friction heats it as it escapes through the tire carcass. Use Stan's for lightweight racing tires and Slime for serious trail riding or any desert excursion.
I got this from MountainBike Action dated November 2002.
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Post by rbc on Sept 1, 2004 19:29:41 GMT 8
Which True value store are you referring to here?
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Post by elai on Sept 1, 2004 20:17:13 GMT 8
Which True value store are you referring to here? True Value in Park Square Makati has Slime stocks there... on sale na nga yong iba. They also have "Finish Line" products... and chain cleaners/brushes... bike shampoo (nyikes! Didn't realize meron nito... di pa ba sapat yong Johnson's Baby Bath?)...and other stuff....stuff you wouldn't think you'd find in True Value.
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Post by GALVinChie on Sept 2, 2004 8:14:28 GMT 8
RBC,
ALL TRUE VALUE STORES.
You won't be sorry.
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Post by GALVinChie on Sept 2, 2004 8:33:13 GMT 8
Ma'am Elai,
Are the Finish Line products for bikes only and on sale? dehins ko napansin yun.
I'll check them out.
Thanks for the info ma'am.
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Post by gulliver on Sept 2, 2004 8:58:34 GMT 8
gavinchie, to add lang, yung mga finish line products available sa true value, may usage-specific products sila, aside from yung pang bike
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Post by fullspeed on Sept 2, 2004 10:02:05 GMT 8
Gavinchie - idol musta na! Hingi lang ako ng info ha.... pwede din ba yan kung naka tubes ako now at ordinary rims, tapos lagyan ko ng sealant at tanggalin na ang tubes? So sa halagang P240 magiging tubeless na gulong ko?
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Post by GALVinChie on Sept 2, 2004 16:58:15 GMT 8
Fullspeed,
Pre, mabuti naman. Ang tagal na. I think the last ride we had was Pinugay pa. That's close to two months ago.
Congratulations nga pala. Sinabi lang sa akin ni Trixxter na Daddy ka na. So, how's ang pagiging papa. Nakakapagod na nakakatuwa di ba? Siya nga pala, boy ba o girl? Kahit ano basta kumpleto ang mga daliri and kamukha mo, ng wife. or hati. Yun ang importante.
Pre, hirap naman ng tanong mo, masyadong technical. Pang "ASK RC" sa MountainBike action magazine. Nonetheless, here goes my answer.
Theoretically, your suggestion MIGHT work, but there are just too many spoke holes for the sealant to cover and standard tires don't have a bead liner. Kahit galon-galon ang gamitin mo, maflaflat pa rin. The bead liner is the part of the UST tire that comes into contact with the rim to stop the air from leaking.
What you can do is, if you want to be a convert, you can use both your standard setup, but be sure to add a rim strip to convert them to a tubeless system. Pre, Stan's lang meron nyun and ang mahal. Php 4500 ang presyo.
What the experts are suggesting, the best combination is, use UST rims with rim strips and standard tires to save weight. Sealants naman are SOP na kapag naka-tubeless ka na. Hope this helps.
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Post by fullspeed on Sept 2, 2004 18:17:02 GMT 8
Gavincie - pare! Baby boy! hehe hirap nga laging puyat Pero ok lang manhid na nga tenga ko sa iyak saka sanay na ako magpunas ng wet pu hehe Di pa masabi sinong kamukha eh parang hati nga Anyway, thanks pare! About the sealant, so bottom line is, di advisable yun sinabi ko? How about UST rims, ordinary spokes and hubs? pwede ba yun? Sorry pare ha ginawa kitang tech support ;D
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Post by gulliver on Sept 2, 2004 20:50:20 GMT 8
Fullspeed, What you can do is, if you want to be a convert, you can use both your standard setup, but be sure to add a rim strip to convert them to a tubeless system. Pre, Stan's lang meron nyun and ang mahal. Php 4500 ang presyo. What the experts are suggesting, the best combination is, use UST rims with rim strips and standard tires to save weight. Sealants naman are SOP na kapag naka-tubeless ka na. Hope this helps. pre, actually, if you think of the cost per UST rim is about 3.5K, the stan's conversion kit is not a bad option
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Post by GALVinChie on Sept 3, 2004 14:01:35 GMT 8
Daddy Fullspeed,
That, I can help you with. What you do, you can maintain your present hub and spokes if your running a 32-hole setup. For the rims, you can get the Mavic 3.1, not quite sure lang kung X3.1 or the D3.1. Di ko alam kasi kung alin dito ang pang-XC. I think the D3.1. Si Newton may D3.1 for 3700 each. Puwede pang tumawad punta ka lang. For the tires naman, I can recommend to you the Kenda Karma 1.95. Believe it or not Php650 lang each may 5-star rating pa from MountaiBike Action Mag.. May mas mura pa, Kenda Kharisma Php450 each sa Pualina's. If you're going to get the latter, be mindful lang kasi tread specific ang mga yan--front for the front and rear for the rear.
Pre, just do the math and you'll come up with a little less than 9K. Lahat-lahat na yun with the Slime sealant. Wala pang tawad yan. This is based on sa Kenda Karma. If you're going to get this variant.
Pre, if you think that the aforementioned amount is too steep, don't. The advantages of UST's outweigh the standard ones in a long term sense.
Be a convert na. Alalahanin mo, ang ganda ng KHS mo and she doesn't deserve any less. Tama ba?
Bilisan mong mag-isip pre tumataas ang exchange rate. The longger it takes you to decide, baka may mauna na sa'yo. Sige ka.
Goodluck!!!
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Post by GALVinChie on Sept 3, 2004 14:58:26 GMT 8
Gulli,
Pre, I agree with you 100%.
Problem is, ang hirap maghanap ng Stan's dito. Mayroon sa Bike Rm. pero ang pangit kasi ng sentiments ng nakararami that's why I can't endorse the store. Another, may mga generics but Paulina's doesn't recommend them. dehins tumatagal. Last option, order abroad then pay for the S/H. Obviously, the landed cost might come close to the actual cost of buying what I recommended to Fullspeed.
Do you agree?
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Post by fullspeed on Sept 3, 2004 16:00:54 GMT 8
Gavinchie and Gulliver - mga bossing thanks for your replies! Pag isipan ko nga yan UST na yan... I just built a spare wheelset kasi for slicks Ride with you guys soon!
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Post by rbc on Sept 6, 2004 10:09:22 GMT 8
To the Group. This weekend, I tried using the Slime Tubeless tire sealant (bought from True Value for P392.00). It did not work for me, I'll relay to you what I did and please comment on the process so I'll know where to improve on next time.
The items I used were: Tire: WTB weirwolf, foldable, 26X2.10 , DNA compound. Rim: Mavic F219 There was a rubber rim strip to cover the holes for the spoke nipples. I just used a presta valve from a busted tube. I cut a piece of the tube, put a hole in it and used is as a grommet for the valve. I used two nuts to secure the valve on the rim.
Next. I cleaned the tire and the rime with Band aid alcohol and a clean rag.
Next, applied sealant on the beads of the tire. Next I mounted one side. then I poured about 150Ml Slime into the tire before I mounted the remaining side.
I rolled the tire for about 3 minutes. Then i rolled it on about a 20-30 degree angle on both sides to put slime on the side walls and rims.
Then, i started pumping air in with my park tool pump. It failed to inflate. Then I remembered that I should use a high volume air pump. So, I took the wheel to a vulcanizing shop. True enough, the wheel inflated. But Air was leaking all over. It was leaking on the beads, and on the valve. I waited for the sealant to work but it did not happen. after about 3 inflations. even the sidewall began leaking.
So, any thoughts on what went wrong? Is the tire of my choice not good for converting to tubeless? any equivalent tire suggestions.
Bird
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Post by warlock^_^ on Sept 6, 2004 11:02:58 GMT 8
rbc, As far from what I read on running sealants on non-tubeless tires, See this list for recommended tires Stan's Recommendation. Havent tried doing it yet but contemplating on doing so. Gavinchie is using a UST rims which contributes to the success on running tubeless. How high did you inflate your tires? 30~45psi? when the tires are inflated, did you rotate the wheels around so the sealant can work its way on those leaks? check link below, this might help...just skip the sealant formulation ;D go tubelessHere's another from the Weight weenies forum DIY TubelessPlease be careful of using Nokian & Panaracers by the way...read alot of blow up when used with Stan, I assume it will be same with Slime too. Kinda messy to imagine green goo all over the place ;D Good luck! Note: Edited to correct WTB as non-recommended tire for tubeless conversion.
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Post by gwm..."GRASS-HAPA" on Sept 6, 2004 21:17:30 GMT 8
fellow riders
bike room is such a hassle people there are pretty much pricks who like to over price stuff... good thing sabak in sta.rosa has stans available as well
just thought you guys wanted to know that there's another option.
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Post by fullspeed on Sept 7, 2004 14:37:58 GMT 8
Hi greatwight - magkano yun stan's sa sabak? tnx
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Post by GALVinChie on Sept 7, 2004 14:58:28 GMT 8
GreatWhiteM,
Good news yan talaga Pre.
Do you have any idea how much? Better yet, do you have their number/s?
Thanks pre!!!!! That really helps a lot!!!!!
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Post by GALVinChie on Sept 7, 2004 15:56:57 GMT 8
RBC, Pre, yung rim strips, Generic brand ba? If it is, then, I think, that's your problem. Standard rim strips for tubeless conversion like the Stan's, the Schrader valve comes incorporated with the strips. As you have mentioned, you made an improvision of an old presta valve and applied two nuts. Again, theoretically that and the addition of the Slime sealant may work. But, obviously didn't.
About the leak in the bead area, again if you used the generic rim strip plus the Slime, all will still be in vain. Imitations don't have the quality of the Stan's conversion thus leading to failure.
Bottomline, get the original one na lang and you won't be sorry.
(Pre, I'm not a die hard fan of the afresaid product. Truth is, it's the only one of its kind that really lives up to its claims.)
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Post by gwm..."GRASS-HAPA" on Sept 8, 2004 13:36:30 GMT 8
hey guys, i don't have their number but i'm most probably going back there saturday so i'll inquire then. will post an update
peace!
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Post by warlock^_^ on Sept 8, 2004 13:46:45 GMT 8
hey guys, i don't have their number but i'm most probably going back there saturday so i'll inquire then. will post an update peace! Great, check mo rin kung may Eclipse Tubeless Kit, its the european equivalent of Stan's. Actually this is the same Tubeless Kit the DT Swiss is selling for their XR4.1 See flyers Eclipse Tubess Kit
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Post by Bikester on Jan 4, 2005 13:12:27 GMT 8
I'm thinking of getting a tubless wheelset pero after reading this thread parang I'm having 2nd thoughts ah
would u recommend it?
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Post by gulliver on Jan 5, 2005 20:36:45 GMT 8
bikester, the wheelset itself is interesting kasi wala na mga butas for the spokes kaya di mo na kailangan ng rim tape...so a lot less reasons for your tube to go flat (if you're using tubes)...but to buy tubeless wheelsets just for that reason hehehe, medyo mahal ata. also, mahirap mag kabit ng non-UST tires sa UST rims ha, madugo! but if you have the UST tires, they'll probably fit into the groove easier. gavinchie has good experience w/ his set-up and i would like to try putting a tubeless set sometime myself...but maybe only if i have the Stan's sealant, and those easy refill gadgets that stan's has started selling in the US btw, dan's bike shop will have the sealant available again come january (this month) gavinchie, pre, how often do you need to refill your tubes w/ the sealant pala?
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Post by donbautist on Jan 6, 2005 9:35:37 GMT 8
cycling zone still has Stan's kit. call 8020773.
Team Kamikaze-Southside DH uses a homebrew sealant and is race proven. We even convert non tubeless tires to tubeless for Php400.00 per wheel.
If you want more info on the homebrew system text me na lang at 09278731075
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Post by GALVinChie on Jan 7, 2005 14:49:33 GMT 8
gavinchie, pre, how often do you need to refill your tubes w/ the sealant pala? Gulls, Tubes? I'm using an all-UST system. Regarding the sealants, I use the Slime tire sealant which I bought at True Value. Frankly, I've yet to encounter problems about the product. I was really opting for the Stans before pero ang hirap mag-hanap niyan dito noon. It's just accidental when I saw Slime. Not familiar with that before but when I checked their website and an article I read in MTBike Action Mag., okey naman pala and they convinced me. The thing about the Stan's that I didn't know and to my surprise is that you have to change them once so often because it has a shelf life when in use. (Just basing this info from one of the threads posted in the forum.) About the Slime, I read that it's ideal for our climate and very much opposite the Stans--changing once so often. I've been a Slime user for nine months and I've never encountered any problem so far with regards to its sealing ability. The product lives up to its claim. As a clincher, ang laki ng ikinamura ng Slime compared to Stans. Just bought my 16 oz bottle last week sa True Value and halos ubos na. Believe it or not, Php. 580 lang. How often do I refill? I haven't done that since my first load. I don't know if that's right or not, but the manufacturer never mentioned anything about changing it once often.
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Post by GALVinChie on Jan 7, 2005 15:04:58 GMT 8
also, mahirap mag kabit ng non-UST tires sa UST rims ha, madugo! but if you have the UST tires, they'll probably fit into the groove easier. Gulls, I think you have it the other way around. Mas mahirap ang magkabit ng UST tire sa UST rim. The trick to that is the beads should be lubricated for damage prevention and once one side is installed, be sure it's resting on the rim bed or groove before doing the other side or else, kulang ang isang araw para makabit mo lang and isang gulong sa rim. I know I have an article about tubeless tire installation. Hanapin ko lang then I'll post ASAP.
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Post by GALVinChie on Jan 7, 2005 15:44:25 GMT 8
As promised Gulls.
TUBLESS TIRE Everything you need to know.
One of the common mandates from the tubeless-tire manufacturers is that you install the tires by hand--no tire levers--to ensure that the bead (which has to be in perfect condition to hold air) isn't damaged. The tires are easy enough to install by hand in most cases, but it takes a different method than with a conventional tire. Here's the drill:
How do I put them on? 1. With conventional tires, you HAVE TO START AT THE VALVE STEM AND WORK AWAY FROM IT AS YOU SEAT THE BEAD (A) With tubeless, it's the opposite. Start opposite the valve stem, and install one bead. Make sure it falls into the middle of the rim bed (BETWEEN THE TWO BUMPS) (B) as you move toward the valve and pull the bead all the way onto the rim.
2. Here's the important part: PULL THE INSTALLED BEAD UP AND OUT OF THE RIM BED TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE SECOND BEAD so it'll go just as easily.
3. Starting away from the valve, pull the other bead onto the rim.
4. To inflate the tire, make sure that both beads are sitting in the rim bed, between the two bumps, with each bead contacting its respective bump. Pay close attention to the area around the valve--things can get a little tricky there.
5. Using a spray bottle, spray a bit of water onto both sides of the tire to help lubricate the seal the tire and rim, then inflate the tire. Pump it up to 60 psi so it seats properly (you should hear both beads snap into place), then back the pressure off to whatever setting you want to run the tires. Yeah, tubeless manufacturers recommend super-low air pressure since you can't pinch-flat the tire, but our experience is that it's best to run them at no less than 38 psi for a 160-pound test rider for the XC tires--the DH tires can be run down to 20 psi or so. Below that, they're prone to folding over or rolling in corners and picking up debris between the tire and rim, potentially causing a leak.
OUR EXPERIENCE IS THAT IT'S BEST FOR A 160-LB, RIDER TO RUN NO LESS THAN 38 PSI IN A TUBLESS XC TIRE.
I got this from Mountain Bike Magazine dated September 2001
(Sorry po mga Moderators, just can't decide kung saan siya tamang ilagay. You have full autonomy where to put it. Thanks in advance.)
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