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Post by edong on Jul 5, 2007 9:13:27 GMT 8
Did you see any bike parts... Sana naman wala.. forunately wala brad...  |
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Post by jeremygo on Sept 19, 2007 21:16:32 GMT 8
surviving that = priceless , brad Butch  Anyone own a signage company? ...how much would it cost to build a metal reflective paint sign measuring 2ft x 4 ft stating "SLOW DOWN. Danger! " ? We can contribute for this and be active bikesafety advocates, folks ! Pls PM me if you have means to make this signage ehh lets post (2X4ft) of Mod warlock pics.. Hehe, this is not really a bad idea, they put pictures of burned out lungs on cigarette packs abroad |
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Post by bobby on Feb 10, 2008 22:34:12 GMT 8
another accident on the wall going down, February 9, 2008
me and my buddies rode to Maarat last Sat there were five of us 3 were regular bicycle riders, 1 motorcycle rider,but borrowed a bicycle that day, and the other a seaman who just recently had a new MTB built for him.
It was the seaman who met the accident at the same right bend ( according to local ambulance driver it was really always the same spot ) thats why when they radioed for help he knew where to find us.
Im not not keen on giving details on the accident crash, as because we agreed that we distance ourselves apart during the downhill part of the wall. So nobody really knew what transpired. What my buddies heard was a loud scream and the sound of metal alloy parts hitting pavement ensued that. What followed next was a total mayhem.
Bloodied and bruised but conscious, I decided to leave the 2 buddies to look after him. And asked the most experienced rider of them to accompany me down to aling Tinay's carenderia where we can get help quickly.
Aling Tinay was a great help in this part, she told us to go back up the road and across the road the first house on the left side was a relative of hers, and that they can radio for help to the nearest ambulance of San Mateo, in less than 10 minutes the much needed help came, along with a local barangay official who was monitoring it in the radio as well. NO POLITICKING just plain old help.
It was a quick response ala rescue 911 at par as the rescuers of Pasig or Makati, they just came too fast when you needed them most. What was overwhelming was the response of other vehicles of cyclists coming down and up the wall and even the vehicles of riders staying at aling Tinay's place preparing to leave went back up to check out the fallen rider. THANK YOU to all of you.
What touched me most was according to my buddy who accompanied him in the ambulance, upon reaching the intersection going towards San Mateo's main road where the tricycles line up all the cars and vans etc. that knew about the accident gave ample way for the ambulance to pass by and with all their windows rolled down and checking on my fallen riding buddy as if bidding for his safety and recovery. YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart.
I hope no more accidents occur in the future, but if ever it happens most probably in the same area, take heed of the same thing we did.
P.S. lots of signages already posted around the wall warning to slow down only meters apart. the only thing is the open canal on the side of the mountain, thats where we found him with the bike on top of him.
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 10, 2008 22:44:31 GMT 8
again...when you are accompanying someone new to the area, newbie or not, tell him the horror stories.
bobby, thanks for telling the story.
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Post by bobby on Feb 10, 2008 22:51:40 GMT 8
a lot of welcome to you. @ Ben Dover.
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Post by itan on Feb 11, 2008 8:19:20 GMT 8
Im a regular at the wall. It really is tempting to enjoy the downhill ride. But safety first, everyone should go down very slowly, especially if you are not familiar with the route. Brakes will even fail if you dont modulate it properly. Some parts also have sand before that treacherous bend which will definitely make your brakes lock. You will notice that the wall veterans who frequent the area even prefer to walk their bikes downhill for safety. Take note that they are the old (but definitely strong) and trained road and mountain bikers who climb at least 3 times during their regular biking sessions. Be safe everyone.
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Post by xfire on Feb 11, 2008 12:25:17 GMT 8
Another suggestion.
If there are experienced riders with newbies, let the experienced riders ride ahead. Tell the newbies to follow the line, and definitely, definitely, do not pass the the experienced rider when going downhill; until the newbies gain more experience.
For newbies, they can take a wider line turning right on that bend. That way, they can see farther the opposite lane.
I hope the seaman is ok.
There were a lot of us that day parked at Tobias and Froy's. We didn't know this happened. What time was this?
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Post by rexman on Feb 11, 2008 13:07:33 GMT 8
do we know how the seaman biker dude is doing? hope he's ok...
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Post by u2y911 on Feb 11, 2008 17:59:31 GMT 8
almost got that same situation just a month ago.. we came from ka tobias then downhill to the Wall approaching "siko" then out of nowhere a scattered sand was in front of me.. think fast as i said to myself  .. if i brake instantly i would probably skid and loose control.. i pass the sand without braking.. then approching the "siko" with too much speed I over-shoot the curve and manage to hit the bushes beside of the road to absorb my speed/impact and safely got out of that situation alive. Fiona saw me in the bushes.. then he told me that he was shouting and telling me that im gonna over shoot the curve if i dont slow down... but i told him i didn't heared him. I'm glad that i live to tell my story about "The Wall" to some of my friends but not to my wife .. hehehehe ;D for sure she will not grant any visa for me to trail if i told her that..  Lesson I learn.. don't be to aggressive on road downhills, presense of mind and always stay in the pack.. (behind the trail master)bobbybtw, how was your seaman friend doing now? i hope he's doin fine. |
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Post by minotaur on Feb 11, 2008 18:27:38 GMT 8
Oh God!
I can still recall that day when Stained crashed on that elbow turn. I has been some years but still vivid in my mind.
I rarely unsaddled on that part of the decent... but after that, things changed.
Just keep it safe.
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Post by leflea on Feb 11, 2008 18:48:08 GMT 8
yay, katakot (scary). i'm a scaredy cat on technical downhills but i love to ride the wall super fast sometimes. one false move or even hesitate once... tsk tsk... brakes won't help when it's too late.
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Post by bobby on Feb 11, 2008 22:03:46 GMT 8
this happened at about a quarter past noon, and i think everyone was so eager to have a full meal after doing the wall and a short trail ride inside timberland.
the seaman was released the same day after having been X-rayed, given anti-tetanus shots, and cleaned all his cuts and road rash. But was advised to be confined till the next day, so he was made to sign a waiver. Sunday, was the most painful day for him , he said, and i really know that feeling its as if pain relievers don't work at all, and its like having a fight with Mike Tyson the day after. Today he feels much better and can walk a lil bit without limping.
Tomorrow i will visit him, to check his condition. THANK YOU guys for the utmost concern.
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Post by Alphabolt on Feb 12, 2008 10:44:54 GMT 8
this happened at about a quarter past noon, and i think everyone was so eager to have a full meal after doing the wall and a short trail ride inside timberland. the seaman was released the same day after having been X-rayed, given anti-tetanus shots, and cleaned all his cuts and road rash. But was advised to be confined till the next day, so he was made to sign a waiver. Sunday, was the most painful day for him , he said, and i really know that feeling its as if pain relievers don't work at all, and its like having a fight with Mike Tyson the day after. Today he feels much better and can walk a lil bit without limping. Tomorrow i will visit him, to check his condition. THANK YOU guys for the utmost concern. Im glad your seaman friend survived and is doing well considering his bad spill Kudos to your group for keeping your wits with you during that time |
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Post by bobby on Feb 12, 2008 12:22:54 GMT 8
@ Alphabolt, we had a post ride meeting cum discussion that Saturday night. Each one of us had our inputs, the likes of ,"if only and what if". To cap it all up the damaged had been done, and nobody in their right mind would have liked that to happen.
But this buddy of ours who initiated the ride felt really guilty about the accident, and man was he really down. He said he even lowered the saddle of the seaman and besides telling him to slow down on the descent demonstrated how to keep his weight at the edge of the saddle to the point of sitting on the rear wheel, this i was witness to. But well, i guess accidents do really occur on the unexpected time.
Details on the seaman's condition, he had a cut on his upper eyebrow most probably caused by his sport shades, the helmet he was wearing held on, but because of the material which it was made with didn't absorb much of the impact, that gave him a big lump in the forehead, the visor got blown away and so was the shades (broken 3 ways) it was an expensive one. The cut on the eyebrow need not be sutured. He was wearing half finger mitts thats why he had cuts in most of his fingers, particularly the forefinger, had a big hematoma on his hips and lots of road rash on shoulders, forearm, knees and legs. And his backpack which we were laughing about before we left because it looked more than a day pack, surely cushioned his spill and protected his backbone i think.
To date he can now crack jokes as to when the next ride is. It just won't stop us.
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Post by antonio on Feb 12, 2008 12:43:50 GMT 8
my hydration bag saved me from spine injury or maybe paralysis. been very cautious on downhill ever since. it can be very dangerous if you get careless.
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Post by sheose on Feb 12, 2008 13:26:29 GMT 8
Ka vergel had warned us about that part of the road, folks there considers it somewhat "enchanted" may "nangu-nguha" thats the term they use  they believe some entity is causing those accidents  Im not a skeptic, I do believe in supernatural stuff but I guess its simple physics, steep/dangerous curve, if speedfreaks dont slow down they'll end up in the world of hurt better to go down unsaddled,(walk the bike ;D) atleast on that part only ;D Better Safe Than Sorry! |
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Post by marcs on Feb 12, 2008 15:38:29 GMT 8
Ka vergel had warned us about that part of the road, folks there considers it somewhat "enchanted" may "nangu-nguha" thats the term they use they believe some entity is causing those accidents Im not a skeptic, I do believe in supernatural stuff but I guess its simple physics, steep/dangerous curve, if speedfreaks dont slow down they'll end up in the world of hurt better to go down unsaddled,(walk the bike ;D) atleast on that part only ;D Better Safe Than Sorry! I think it's how the road is constructed. From Ka Tobias, it starts out as a mellow downhill stretch with a moderate turn, then it starts to go steeper after the next turn, and unforunately, from that vantage point you don't really see the very sharp turn ahead because there's a further decent before you hit it. Net, for those not used to the place, you think the decent is manageable, and then you hit that steep portion, and before you know it it's a sharp turn already. Very deceiving. Net, might be best to put up a sign there saying SLOW DOWN SHARP TURN AHEAD. |
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 12, 2008 15:51:39 GMT 8
or..... HEAVEN'S GATE 100 METERS AHEAD.
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Post by DarKman on Feb 12, 2008 16:06:31 GMT 8
Not only the "siko".
I had an experience last month, but first yeah, I do notice the strong local riders (specially the older one's wearing montalban rider's jerseys) walking down. Makes you wonder what they know about the place...
Guilty of bombing down the wall at very high speed... I was about 8 seconds from passing the Columbary when i noticed pigeons (LOTS OF THEM) eating on the street! because of my speed i decided not to brake or try to steer..i just lowered my helmet and prayed I wont run over one because i would have surely spilled...
Luckily the pigeons were able to fly away (barely!) and i was able to pass by safely. I think my helmet hit the legs of one of the pigeons as it flew away because i heard a knock on my helmet.
I promised after that incident never to go down the wall at high speed again.
As for the "siko" yes i almost overshot it once. Used all of my 08 xt hydro brakes and i still won't stop (6 inch rotors).... had to use my feet for more braking power...stopped an inch before hitting the barrier...
lesson learned.
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Post by leflea on Feb 12, 2008 18:41:15 GMT 8
i remember that there's a warning sign before the "siko". i even took photos of the sign... now where did i save it....
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Post by k1ntaro™ on Feb 12, 2008 18:42:40 GMT 8
I almost become a victim in the "siko" on my FIRST descend from ka-tobias. Some of the things that I have in mind is to full brake, skid then jump, good thing that I managed to use my brake moderately (didn't skid) then wait for the G-force to reduce then apply brake harder so as not to over shoot the guard rail.
All these was due to the need of speed of a first timer who doesn't know much about MTB and who is curious how fast can a bike go (first time to own a cyclo comp). ;D
Thank God I was safe...from there on I made sure that I'm running 10-15kph or below when approaching that portion of the road.
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Post by leflea on Feb 12, 2008 18:49:24 GMT 8
All these was due to the need of speed of a first timer who doesn't know much about MTB and who is curious how fast can a bike go (first time to own a cyclo comp). ;D hehe, how fast were you? i don't have a cyclocomp but i could imagine myself doing the same speed test when i get one.... |
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Post by k1ntaro™ on Feb 12, 2008 20:17:26 GMT 8
All these was due to the need of speed of a first timer who doesn't know much about MTB and who is curious how fast can a bike go (first time to own a cyclo comp). ;D hehe, how fast were you? i don't have a cyclocomp but i could imagine myself doing the same speed test when i get one.... Not that fast, just 63kph. I've heard someone did 70+kph there but I no longer have the interest of reaching that speed coz 60kph is already fast, you can hardly control it...scary as hell!!! Thinking on what I did, I told myself "how stupid I was"...risking my life just to see how fast can the cyclo comp register my speed where I could also reach that speed or even surpass it by just playing with the sensor using my hands holding the magnet ;D haha! |
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Post by levi on Feb 12, 2008 20:20:51 GMT 8
I was going home when I saw the seaman being loaded into the ambulance. Even when driving I always go down the wall very slow.
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Post by Alphabolt on Feb 13, 2008 0:14:30 GMT 8
To date he can now crack jokes as to when the next ride is. It just won't stop us. That s the spirit! btw in your next trail ride, kindly have an experienced biker inyour group show the victim how to navigate tricky sections of the trails ...best if he watches while your friend bikes through the sections Ride safe! |
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Post by >rocketman> on Feb 13, 2008 7:10:32 GMT 8
San mateo maarat's, wall used to be a regular fire road downhill trail way back 2000ish pa,
(trixx, pasaway days pa.). We push our Dh bike up to the filinvest property (now timberland)
have a break at a sarisari store near the guard house, and we bomb down the trail.
i have seen nastiest crash, but we have full body armour and full face helmet,
now it's cemented still claims victims every now and then.
It's a dangerous bend, i agree the idea of putting a singage/billboard is a good idea to warn bikers going down.
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Post by REDNEB on Feb 13, 2008 8:19:47 GMT 8
billboards or signages will just create a bad image for mtbikers in the area......
Like a friend told me: dont want to get dirty buy a 4x4 SUV! dont want to get hurt stay home play chess or study baking!
would you like some cheese with that whine? ....................................
way abck when it was still dirt its ok to do 70-75kph ..... now its paved i think right of way and usage is strictly for motor vehicles....
btw what is a mtb doing on a paved road shouldnt you be using road bikes if you ride road? lol
........... pour some fuel on meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...................!
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Post by bobby on Feb 13, 2008 11:29:45 GMT 8
Thanks to all of you. Your experiences and suggestions ( inputs ) will make some PinoyMTBiker peeps something to talk about for years to come now that a lot of mtbikers as i have noticed an influx of them conquer the wall grow each day. Be warned, i must say.
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Post by sheose on Feb 13, 2008 12:38:34 GMT 8
 got this from Philippine Daily Inquirer during th 90's, Pugad Baboy maybe thats the reason why some people speed up going down "Siko" instead of slowing down they want to pass by that area quickly "kasi delikado yun lugar" ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by xfire on Feb 13, 2008 13:19:52 GMT 8
Nice comedy relief. But seriously, be careful on that bend. Good to learn that the rider is ok. |
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.. if i brake instantly i would probably skid and loose control.. i pass the sand without braking.. then approching the "siko" with too much speed I over-shoot the curve and manage to hit the bushes beside of the road to absorb my speed/impact and safely got out of that situation alive. Fiona saw me in the bushes.. then he told me that he was shouting and telling me that im gonna over shoot the curve if i dont slow down... but i told him i didn't heared him. I'm glad that i live to tell my story about "The Wall" to some of my friends but not to my wife .. hehehehe ;D for sure she will not grant any visa for me to trail if i told her that.. 
they believe some entity is causing those accidents 
Im not a skeptic, I do believe in supernatural stuff 
