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Post by janix on Sept 12, 2006 9:25:01 GMT 8
i don't know if i'm going to post this here or in the bike commuting board. anyway... www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404654&in_page_id=1770hmm... looks like a good reason for those who are makulit not wearing helmets. hehe take note, the survey was done in UK. i don't know about the situation here in the Philippines. Here in Baguio, private drivers are understanding, but the others, you have to make sure if they're really giving you the road or they're just teasing you.
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Post by janix on Sept 12, 2006 9:25:53 GMT 8
ok, here's the complete article:
Helmet-wearing cyclists more likely to be knocked down Last updated at 12:32pm on 11th September 2006
Cyclists who wear helmets are more likely to be hit by overtaking vehicles, new research suggests.
Drivers get more than 8cm closer to cyclists wearing helmets than they do to bare-headed riders, because they are seen as being more experienced. And female cyclists are given more room on the road than male drivers, according to a survey from the University of Bath.
Traffic psychologist Dr Ian Walker used a bicycle fitted with an ultrasonic distance sensor to record data from more than 2,500 overtaking motorists in Salisbury and Bristol.
He said drivers were twice as likely to get close to his bicycle when he was wearing the helmet. Dr Walker said: "This was something I had suspected, as many cyclists had told me of similar experiences. The perception is that those wearing helmets are experienced and more predictable.
"Drivers think, 'He knows what he's doing, he won't do anything surprising'. But that's really quite a dangerous thought, particularly as so many cycling novices are told to wear helmets."
Dr Walker, whose research is to be published in the journal Accident Analysis & Prevention, was struck twice during the course of the experiment. Buses and trucks were found to be the worst offenders. While the average car gave cyclists 1.33m of room, the average truck got 19cm closer and the average bus 23cm closer.
To test another theory, Dr Walker wore a long wig to see if there was any difference in passing distance when vehicles thought they were overtaking a female cyclist. Vehicles gave him an average of 14cm more space when he was wearing the wig.
Dr Walker said this may be because women are seen as less predictable than men on the roads, or because female cyclists are more rare and so are treated with more caution.
Dr Walker said he hoped his research would raise awareness of the dangers facing cyclists on busy roads.
More than 11,000 cyclists were injured and 109 killed on UK roads in 2004, the latest year for which figures are available. Overtaking cars are arguably the most dangerous hazards for riders.
Dr Walker said: "We know from research that many drivers see cyclists as a separate subculture to which they don't belong.
"I hope drivers will realise that they are making these assumptions about cyclists based on their appearance. If as a result of this study there were less injuries on the roads, then that would be a wonderful thing."
The research comes as Labour considers plans to make bells compulsory on all bicycles. Cyclists would face on-the-spot penalties and even two years in jail if they did not warn pedestrians of their approach.
Current laws require bells to be fitted on bikes when sold, but owners are free to remove these when they want.
Transport minister Stephen Ladyman has promised to hold a public consultation on the matter, after Liberal Democrat MP Phil Willis raised the issue in Parliament.
Mr Willis said more safeguards were needed to prevent collisions between pedestrians and cyclists. But critics said the proposals would be difficult to enforce
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Post by ian_rex on Sept 12, 2006 9:59:19 GMT 8
nice article. however, why is that here in the philippines, the opposite is true. my brother tried commuting from his school in paraƱaque to our home in bulacan. he says motorists gave him room and left him alone during the rest of the commute. he's wearing helmets.
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 12, 2006 10:56:01 GMT 8
nice article. however, why is that here in the philippines, the opposite is true. my brother tried commuting from his school in paraƱaque to our home in bulacan. he says motorists gave him room and left him alone during the rest of the commute. he's wearing helmets. i think you are right...marami kasi baliktad utak dito...some may think you are scared of falling or a noob when you are wearing a helmet. some refer to it as "macho" (a.k.a engot) mentality i've seen a lot of motorcyclists wear them on their elbows (wtf!) ;D
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 13, 2006 9:37:31 GMT 8
maybe they wear it on the elbow so they can smash a vehicle when it comes too close ha ha ha
or....the rider could not afford an elbow pad yet, he hehe
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Post by milo on Sept 13, 2006 11:16:28 GMT 8
It is the atittude of some riders......They are hardheaded that's why they dont wear helmets..
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Post by pazigrider on Sept 13, 2006 14:06:05 GMT 8
or perhaps one helmet is better than two - i'm sure guys you know what i mean ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mythbuster on Sept 15, 2006 8:19:28 GMT 8
ok, here's the complete article: Helmet-wearing cyclists more likely to be knocked downLast updated at 12:32pm on 11th September 2006 Cyclists who wear helmets are more likely to be hit by overtaking vehicles, new research suggests. Drivers get more than 8cm closer to cyclists wearing helmets than they do to bare-headed riders, because they are seen as being more experienced. And female cyclists are given more room on the road than male drivers, according to a survey from the University of Bath. Traffic psychologist Dr Ian Walker used a bicycle fitted with an ultrasonic distance sensor to record data from more than 2,500 overtaking motorists in Salisbury and Bristol. He said drivers were twice as likely to get close to his bicycle when he was wearing the helmet. Dr Walker said: "This was something I had suspected, as many cyclists had told me of similar experiences. The perception is that those wearing helmets are experienced and more predictable. "Drivers think, 'He knows what he's doing, he won't do anything surprising'. But that's really quite a dangerous thought, particularly as so many cycling novices are told to wear helmets." Dr Walker, whose research is to be published in the journal Accident Analysis & Prevention, was struck twice during the course of the experiment. Buses and trucks were found to be the worst offenders. While the average car gave cyclists 1.33m of room, the average truck got 19cm closer and the average bus 23cm closer. To test another theory, Dr Walker wore a long wig to see if there was any difference in passing distance when vehicles thought they were overtaking a female cyclist. Vehicles gave him an average of 14cm more space when he was wearing the wig. Dr Walker said this may be because women are seen as less predictable than men on the roads, or because female cyclists are more rare and so are treated with more caution. Dr Walker said he hoped his research would raise awareness of the dangers facing cyclists on busy roads. More than 11,000 cyclists were injured and 109 killed on UK roads in 2004, the latest year for which figures are available. Overtaking cars are arguably the most dangerous hazards for riders. Dr Walker said: "We know from research that many drivers see cyclists as a separate subculture to which they don't belong. "I hope drivers will realise that they are making these assumptions about cyclists based on their appearance. If as a result of this study there were less injuries on the roads, then that would be a wonderful thing." The research comes as Labour considers plans to make bells compulsory on all bicycles. Cyclists would face on-the-spot penalties and even two years in jail if they did not warn pedestrians of their approach. Current laws require bells to be fitted on bikes when sold, but owners are free to remove these when they want. Transport minister Stephen Ladyman has promised to hold a public consultation on the matter, after Liberal Democrat MP Phil Willis raised the issue in Parliament. Mr Willis said more safeguards were needed to prevent collisions between pedestrians and cyclists. But critics said the proposals would be difficult to enforce I guess this is just the point of view of the author based from his experiment and research, but is not really that accurate, if he have done it here in Pinas, the effect maybe different?. Even if you have no helmet, some drivers will tend to close to you (PINA) and worst kapag sumemplang ka, at least if you have helmet you have protection unlike wearing nothing.
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Post by gilbs72 on Sept 15, 2006 9:44:34 GMT 8
I think the solution is educate the drivers not remove the helmets. Helmets are good as far as crashes are concerned, but awareness on the part of all involved--driver and cyclists--is still necessary.
Seeing such a phenomenon happening (drivers driving closer) is a wake-up call for government to educate and regulate (if necessary, also reprimand) drivers... not to kill helmet-use.
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Post by sabretooth on Sept 15, 2006 13:21:38 GMT 8
The Beginning (pre-1970): Choices are limited. The best option for racers is made of padded leather straps. The hairnets (as they're lovingly nicknamed) won't save your noggin, though they do keep your ears from grinding on the pavement.
1970: The Snell Memorial Foundation introduces the first bicycle helmet standard. No bike helmets meet the standard.
1971: Lance Armstrong is born.
1975: Bell Auto Parts introduces the first honest-to-goodness bicycle helmet: The Bell Biker. It's made of expanded polystyrene (EPS) picnic-cooler-type foam bonded to a hard plastic shell.
1983: Ned Overend competes in his first professional mountain bike race. We bet he wore a helmet.
1984: The American National Standards Institute(ANSI) introduces ANSI Z80.4, the first widely adopted bike helmet standard in the United States. Bell unveils the Li'l Bell Shell, a kids' helmet made entirely of EPS foam.
Mid-1980s: Nearly all bike helmets consist of an EPS foam liner, an ABS or polycarbonate hard shell, and nylon straps that form a Y on each side. D-ring strap fasteners are disappearing in favor of plastic buckles.
1986: Jim Gentes of Santa Cruz, Calif., makes an all-EPS foam helmet for adults, but slips a Lycra cover over the foam. Bam! It's the Giro Prolight. Snell introduces its more-realistic (read: easier to meet) B-85 standard. Belgian Michael Vaarten becomes the first World Champion to wear a helmet.
Late-1980s: Most every helmet on the market meets the ANSI or Snell standard. Along with structural improvements, such as embedded nylon mesh, cosmetic improvements are the name of the game: Bell introduces a helmet, the Ovation, with a thin composite skin over the foam liner.
1989: Greg LeMond wins the Tour de France by a narrow 8-second margin, wearing an aerodynamic, teardrop-shaped Giro helmet in the final Time Trial.
1990: Bell introduces "In-Mold Microshell" bonding - the EPS foam and the helmet's plastic shell are basically cooked together for better durability. A side benefit: The stronger helmets can be made thinner, lighter, and with more vents. Plus they look cool. Today, most every bicycle helmet is manufactured this way.
1994: Giro introduces the Roc Loc, the first adjustable fit and stability system in a bicycle helmet. Other manufacturers follow. Along with the Roc Loc, there's now Bell's Geared Positioning System (GPS), Specialized's PRO Fit, Trek's Zip Tite, Louis Garneau's Spiderlock, Cratoni's Orbit, and others.
1996: Bell Sports (the motorcycle division, Bell Helmets, was split off in 1991) buys Giro. Ned Overend retires from professional mountain bike racing. He still wears a helmet.
1999: The Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) bicycle helmet standard becomes law in the US. It's illegal to sell helmets that don't meet the standard. Some companies, including Bell Sports, focus on the CPSC requirement instead of the more-stringent Snell B-95 standard. Lance, wearing a Giro helmet, wins his first Tour de France.
2001: Limar introduces a helmet, the F111, with 37 vents.
2004: It's the age of refinement. Helmets are lighter, stronger, and have even more vents; some use high-tech reinforcing materials such as carbon fiber. However, there are few real manufacturing breakthroughs. You can buy a Lance Armstrong edition Giro Atmos Lone Star for $225.
2005: UCI adopts mandatory helmet rule for all cycling events (prior to this, helmets were a "permanent recommendation," a weak stance at best).
2006: Lance is retired. CPSC-certified helmets are available for as little as $10. High-end helmets weigh as little as 8 oz. There are rumors of new foam technology that can rebound from multiple impacts. Bikes are fun. Helmets are better than ever. You're wearing one, right?
______________ from bicycling.com. wala lang
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Post by kingtut on Feb 1, 2007 14:53:08 GMT 8
Guys: Where could one buy a decent helmet here in Manila? How much should I expect toshell out for one? Salamat!
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Post by krx on Feb 1, 2007 15:56:28 GMT 8
Guys: Where could one buy a decent helmet here in Manila? How much should I expect toshell out for one? Salamat!
hi kingtut!
There are lots of bike shops selling good helmets here in manila. where in Manila are you located? A good and cheap brand is Michelin- Price range is 1,500 to 3,000. There is also Giro, Trek, Louis Garneu, SixSixOne,Troy Lee, Rudy Project. Price range of these helmets go from a low of 2,500 to a high of 15,000pesos. There are other bike helemts that are lower in priuce too like the MOB, but is a little bit heavier. Price range is around 1,000pesos.
kRx
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Post by kingtut on Feb 1, 2007 16:08:34 GMT 8
Krx: Salamat sa fast reply. Am located in ParaƱaque. Any shop near SM Bicutan or Sucat? I was told there was a good shop in Rockwell, but its far from me and I would need to sked a trip to that part of town. How about ATC - Alabang Town Center? any shops there? Aside from Michelin - would you recommend a 2nd hand helmet? Kailan bang fit sa size ng ulo mo? para bang sapatos??? Thanks again.
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Post by Kevin on Feb 1, 2007 16:24:18 GMT 8
Krx: Salamat sa fast reply. Am located in ParaƱaque. Any shop near SM Bicutan or Sucat? I was told there was a good shop in Rockwell, but its far from me and I would need to sked a trip to that part of town. How about ATC - Alabang Town Center? any shops there? Aside from Michelin - would you recommend a 2nd hand helmet? Kailan bang fit sa size ng ulo mo? para bang sapatos??? Thanks again. There is a bike shop in both SM Bicutan and ATC. I just do not know what brand of helmets they carry.
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Post by arcireyes on Feb 1, 2007 16:24:46 GMT 8
if i may answer for sir krx: 1. In paranaque yata there is the shop (endurance?) along elizalde ave., BF homes. 2. Near alabang town center is cycling zone (check bike shop directory thread) 3. IMHO, Michelin is a good entry-level XC helmet (saw one in newton for P1K) as long as it at least passes the CPSC Standard. For some safety reasons, I would discourage buying a 2nd hand helmet. 4. Yup helmets should be fit to a T. A basic adage applies when buying a helmet......how much does your noggin cost? Happy helmet hunting !!!
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Post by grnhrnt on Feb 1, 2007 16:54:51 GMT 8
Cycling Zone is located in the Shell Gas Station along alabang-zapote road perpendicular to Madrigal Ave. (this is the road leading to the main entrance to Ayala Alabang vill.)
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Post by kingtut on Feb 1, 2007 19:08:23 GMT 8
Thanks guys! Very helpful info. Now to visit and do some price comparisons. So entry level helmet is Michelin, then Giro and Bell. When you say fit to a "T" - I suppose must try on and belt in the strap. How about movement? Should it be able to move a bit OR should it be a tight fit??
Sorry ha - its been many many years since I bought my last helmet - and that was for a motorcycle. Full face pa. So more or less the same requirements? Salamat ulit sa mga nag reply.
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Post by Alphabolt on Feb 2, 2007 23:30:31 GMT 8
brad, Try to checkout the Louis Garneu helmets...very light weight and light to the wallet pa. Available sa Ross at Cartimar Mine rides with the Giros and bells out there
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Post by fullspeed on Feb 6, 2007 15:56:58 GMT 8
ehem ehem commercial muna - Looking for affordable helmets? You can check out these brands: Ideal Helmets (xc helmets) Star Helmets (full face dh and xc helmets) Moon helmets (xc, skate and kids helmets) most models less than P1k but CPSC rated mura na tibay pa hehe available at your favorite bike shop, also Cris Sports and Tobys branches
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Post by Bikester on Feb 10, 2007 12:32:48 GMT 8
ehem ehem commercial muna - Looking for affordable helmets? You can check out these brands: Ideal Helmets (xc helmets) Star Helmets (full face dh and xc helmets) Moon helmets (xc, skate and kids helmets) most models less than P1k but CPSC rated mura na tibay pa hehe available at your favorite bike shop, also Cris Sports and Tobys branches I could'nt agree more,I had the chance to use this helmets when I met my accident.I was over thrown from my bike,landing head 1st. To my surprise not a dent or even a scratch on my helmet,the inside and outside where in perfect condition.I said this helmets are really tough But the bigger surprise was I find out that my head is full of bukol. this is a paid advertisement by a competitior of fullspeed ;D
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Post by konablack on Feb 10, 2007 14:11:46 GMT 8
I have a star helmet as a price by Sir Fullspeed... Still using it and luckily I haven't tested its strength and durability.
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Post by sabretooth on Feb 10, 2007 14:21:46 GMT 8
my old MOB helmet wasn't put to test until i gave it away to my brother. he and his wife figured in a motorcycle accident last month, luckily, he made his wife wear the MOB helmet. she hit her head apparently and saved her head, but she had a broken arm though.
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Post by janix on Feb 10, 2007 20:39:13 GMT 8
my old MOB helmet wasn't put to test until i gave it away to my brother. he and his wife figured in a motorcycle accident last month, luckily, he made his wife wear the MOB helmet. she hit her head apparently and saved her head, but she had a broken arm though. bike helmets are not for motorcycle though.
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Post by Patrick on Feb 10, 2007 23:07:06 GMT 8
my old MOB helmet wasn't put to test until i gave it away to my brother. he and his wife figured in a motorcycle accident last month, luckily, he made his wife wear the MOB helmet. she hit her head apparently and saved her head, but she had a broken arm though. bike helmets are not for motorcycle though. Bike helmets are not for motor vehicles good thing they were running slow enough for the helmet to take the impact. Good she was relatively ok.
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Post by sabretooth on Feb 12, 2007 13:09:34 GMT 8
yeah i know sirs. the good thing in the incident is that, had she worn nothing? it could have led to more injuries.
i bet she won't be using a bike helmet on an xrm again. or ride a two-wheeled motor vehicle ever again.
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Post by joolz01 on Feb 24, 2007 17:50:12 GMT 8
i must have been a vegetable right now if i wasn't wearin my helmet last thursday night... i fell flat on my back and smashed the back of my head tryin to roll up a bmx box jump... close call... now i have a stiff neck...
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Post by edge808 on Feb 25, 2007 20:11:09 GMT 8
I saw some KONA Racing Equiment Helmets over at this bike shop inside Festival Mall ranging from 799-999 petot. You guys think they're good enough?
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Post by nell7806 on May 3, 2007 12:36:06 GMT 8
no offense brad... but for me a HELMET is not an accesory but a protection for our head... I dont know why is that helmet cheap... One thing is the technology is really advance and Kona's is trying to sell all it's stock...isn't that an immitation? (what do you think).
We must not bargain our safety...better yet spend a bit more on a helmet that will surely protect you when you fall rather than spend cheap yesterday on a helmet, ride today then accidentally smashing your head, then spend even more on hospitalization. my advice... at least get a TREK VAPOR...I dont know if this is really enough...if not let me know pls...Anyone? thats what I have...
PEACE OUT! ! !
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Post by alien_scream on May 3, 2007 18:37:01 GMT 8
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Post by Kevin on May 3, 2007 20:23:51 GMT 8
Whoa! I thought Sylar (Heroes TV series) had something to do with what happened to his head.
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