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Post by 'Bee' on Aug 3, 2006 14:04:06 GMT 8
Found these tips and suggestions in another forum. Hope it would help.... (i'm not sure though if these can be used in our dear cities). ....learn to have and use your own space on the road rather than riding in the gutter which there's more chance of vehicles doing risky overtaking moves. ....the best way of cycling on road is to take the space of a car, and that way you are clearly seen. ....In Hong Kong, I find drivers will respect double white lines more than cyclists, so when I ride in a lane bounded by a solid line, I will ride close to the middle of the lane, that way they will have to either drive over me (has happened) or fully cross the line to get past. ....I found when riding in the gutter, drivers here will try to squeeze past without putting a wheel over the line, and thats pretty hairy. ....various progressive governments and road safety organizations suggest riding in the middle of the road, to be as visible as possible. ....I might check out behind me every 10 to 20 seconds when I'm riding in town. What's important is to spot who's coming fast. When the roads has a heavy traffic I usualy get in the middle of the lane to avoid getting pushed against the curb.....Nothing's more dangerous than cars just slighty avoiding you. ....This is the conventional wisdom of how to ride in traffic. It will annoy some motorists but its a more aggressive riding technique stating our presence on the road. On wider roads cars will pass you wider the further away from the curb you are. If you are closer to the gutter cars will get close to you especially with a double white line. Anyway there are too many dangers close to the kerb... like gutters with slots,missing joint material and other @#$%. Ride safe!  |
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Post by Lui-G on Aug 3, 2006 15:47:12 GMT 8
hi sir,
as i've observed, HKG motorists are somewhat reckless. take extra caution when commuting around town.
cheers!
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Post by coolangot ☺ on Aug 5, 2006 1:12:03 GMT 8
On turning ( right ), use the middle of the road instead of squeezing/hugging the curb- Why? You have a tendency of being "eaten" by a vehicle also turning right, which can be dangerous or even fatal
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Post by ronaldarca on Aug 5, 2006 8:38:01 GMT 8
use Hand Signals on turning also give the vehicles their own right of way, eventhough their rights are sometimes flawed. its better to stop crossing the road for a vehicle beating reds rather than crossing and asserting your right. cross street with pedestrians, too, and use pedestrain overpasses--i like the one at Sta. Lucia the best |
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Post by joes on Aug 5, 2006 9:55:43 GMT 8
practice your bunnyhops. the bangketa is your friend! |
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Post by rorschach on Aug 5, 2006 14:09:43 GMT 8
From my experience since I started out road-riding, as long as you give hand signals, they treat you as motorists naman. Lights are impt. too. If you're night riding headlights is a must, if day lan, rear lights would do.
But its different for Jeepney and FX drivers, lalo na tricycle drivers. Most Jeep or Tricycle drivers will just cut you or sideswipe you whenever they like, and worse part kaw pa sisisihin kesyo dika raw tumabi. No offense meant, I'm not generalizing drivers naman, those drivers I mentioned doesn't have the proper driving etiquette (did I spell it right?lolz), for them what they were taught is what's right for them, and they'll make up some of their own too. So better be careful.
For private vehicles, there are rare occassions rin where the cars won't have any space to cut in the traffic but will block your way (as in pinagtritripan ka talga tsk tsk) I just keep my cool and will just laugh at it. But more often private motorists naman will give you proper right of way on the road.
This I've tried on C5, from Bagong Ilog up to Ortigas Ave, I tried counterflowing but I suggest don't try it na, the FX drivers there and a few vehicles are really close to the gutter when driving and when this happens I slow down.
I also tried counterflowing at Katipunan Ave. (where I had my XC tires blown hehe) which I do often during rushhours (though I don't encourage it). After I cross the Aurora Blvd. intersection I start to counterflow there up to C.P. Garcia. Its safer to counterflow there since the vehicles don't speed up as much compared to C5. It gets kinda risky lan starting from McDo katips up to the overpass since there are lotsa tricycles and cars parking and going.
From my experience too, in case the rains catches up on you and you have to bike all the way to home pa for flooded roads its better to tail the vehicles coz its scary to go on the side not knowing if the flooded part is a deep hole on the road or an open manhole pa.
Also, when being tailed by motorbikes, if you can't speed up your pedalling (or you just don't want to) better to let them ahead of you, some kase are too nagmamadali they're like frustrated racers hehe. In most occassions, motorbikers are friendly naman.
Here's the fun part. If you don't have energy left, never cut a bike commuter. lolz. If you have enough power to pedal or Powerbar stored in your bag, go ahead and speed up way passed the bike commuter. Most of those commuters once cut, will race with you, its like they're thinkin' "Ah porke mahal bike mo kala mo mauunahan mo ko ah, tingnan natin hehe" then the race starts from there and the fun begins bwahahaha. I've outrun some commuters but there are very strong riders din lalo na yun naka racer bikes. when that happens I'd like to have a rocket engine placed at my rear haha. I know you've had your own experience with these commuters share 'em naman haha.
Bow.
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Post by arcireyes on Aug 7, 2006 16:05:56 GMT 8
brad rors, personal opinion lang. i never race with commuter cyclist riding their beater rigs, kasi i respect them so much that i give it to them to always have the luxury of overtaking me  i think that overtaking somebody gives them the pride of being an everyday juan dela cruz commuter cyclist, daily braving the city traffic to and from work, not to mention inhaling the smokes coming from vehicles in their daily ride. them in their rusty beater rigs doing their daily commute trying to save a couple of pesos to make ends meet for their family. they are on the league of their own Here's the fun part. If you don't have energy left, never cut a bike commuter. lolz. If you have enough power to pedal or Powerbar stored in your bag, go ahead and speed up way passed the bike commuter. Most of those commuters once cut, will race with you, its like they're thinkin' "Ah porke mahal bike mo kala mo mauunahan mo ko ah, tingnan natin hehe" then the race starts from there and the fun begins bwahahaha. I've outrun some commuters but there are very strong riders din lalo na yun naka racer bikes. when that happens I'd like to have a rocket engine placed at my rear haha. I know you've had your own experience with these commuters share 'em naman haha. Bow. |
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Post by <:jun®:> on Aug 7, 2006 16:27:12 GMT 8
in my experience, pedestrians almost always do not see bikers till you're within a hair's breadth...
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Post by ronaldarca on Aug 7, 2006 21:02:45 GMT 8
in my experience, pedestrians almost always do not see bikers till you're within a hair's breadth... i agree and 3rd the motion to that brad jun  practice your bunnyhops. the bangketa is your friend! nice point joes. been practicing lifting the tire up the bank lately and does wonders, too, like when making "singit" horizontally across traffic and no place to land your feet down. |
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Post by the D. on Aug 7, 2006 23:13:18 GMT 8
yes, practice that consistently
and replace your stem with
a shorter one, like 50mm short.
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Post by ronaldarca on Aug 7, 2006 23:37:43 GMT 8
yes, practice that consistently
and replace your stem with
a shorter one, like 50mm short.
yep. gonna replace it on my next sweldo. already shifted to a straight bar and noticed it really wiggles alot. |
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Post by rorschach on Aug 8, 2006 2:42:10 GMT 8
I have high respect for those commuters. I even have neighbors who are bike commuters. *wink Sometimes I race with them to test my limits that's all, if I outrun them that's fine, if they catch up on me that's ok too. Either way twas a fun and friendly race lan naman. I also do let others overtake me, usually pag pacing lan ako or I really feel I don't have energy or want to conserve that I let 'em through. Though there are times where in I was just pacing then there's this biker who's really slowly pedalling and then will suddenly speed up, then I take it as a challenge, I see nothing wrong with that naman. No disrespect, oppression nor harm was done. Don't get me wrong ah guys, am as poor as those bike commuters are, Wala akong inaapi *peace*! Oh well, different strokes for different folks. ;D Thanks for the suggestion sir Arci. brad rors, personal opinion lang. i never race with commuter cyclist riding their beater rigs, kasi i respect them so much that i give it to them to always have the luxury of overtaking me i think that overtaking somebody gives them the pride of being an everyday juan dela cruz commuter cyclist, daily braving the city traffic to and from work, not to mention inhaling the smokes coming from vehicles in their daily ride. them in their rusty beater rigs doing their daily commute trying to save a couple of pesos to make ends meet for their family. they are on the league of their own Here's the fun part. If you don't have energy left, never cut a bike commuter. lolz. If you have enough power to pedal or Powerbar stored in your bag, go ahead and speed up way passed the bike commuter. Most of those commuters once cut, will race with you, its like they're thinkin' "Ah porke mahal bike mo kala mo mauunahan mo ko ah, tingnan natin hehe" then the race starts from there and the fun begins bwahahaha. I've outrun some commuters but there are very strong riders din lalo na yun naka racer bikes. when that happens I'd like to have a rocket engine placed at my rear haha. I know you've had your own experience with these commuters share 'em naman haha. Bow. |
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Post by cobym on Aug 8, 2006 9:55:37 GMT 8
I think its a natural feeling to want to race someone. Scenario: Commuter quietly going his way when he spots another biker. Though balloon (Aha... another biker with a fancy rig... Lets see if he's worth his bike or if he's just a poser... Overtake...... c'mon dude, lets see what you've got. I can drop you with my old 38 lb. rigid beater mall bike!) Nothing wrong with that. ... as long as its fair, safe and purely for fun. |
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 8, 2006 10:27:12 GMT 8
hmm...i dont know but i hate the sight of a butt in front of ma fez...no way dude! that's disgusting! yikes!! but i think i have a nice one that i want to show off  LOL! hahaha! joke lang ;D munting paalala lang mga bros...when you think your little race is already becoming dangerous..bitaw na...its the best for both of you..am talking from experience. |
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Post by janix on Aug 8, 2006 17:35:35 GMT 8
I think its a natural feeling to want to race someone. Scenario: Commuter quietly going his way when he spots another biker. Though balloon (Aha... another biker with a fancy rig... Lets see if he's worth his bike or if he's just a poser... Overtake...... c'mon dude, lets see what you've got. I can drop you with my old 38 lb. rigid beater mall bike!) Nothing wrong with that. ... as long as its fair, safe and purely for fun. or you could just let him pass you. don't look at him, pretend your looking somewhere else, talking to the phone, drinking soda, chilling. let him waste his energy, let him sweat. we're commuting, not racing. hehehe |
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Post by the D. on Aug 9, 2006 0:28:48 GMT 8
yes, practice that consistently and replace your stem with a shorter one, like 50mm short. [/b][/center][/quote] yep. gonna replace it on my next sweldo. already shifted to a straight bar and noticed it really wiggles alot.[/quote] Probably the stem. |
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Aug 9, 2006 11:07:56 GMT 8
be careful and always observe traffic rules and learn proper signalling....
also check the traffic lights...
keep in mind that there are also pedestrians that you don't want to mess up with!
jeeps and taxi and trucks and even private vehicles sometimes don't see you so keep a watchful eye!
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Post by xc on Aug 9, 2006 12:06:19 GMT 8
if you nod at a bike comuter they smile back. then you follow them.
if bike comuter overtakes let him let him. if you maintan and catch up he just made a sprint. if you dont catch up he's really fast at his own pace
its hard to hop and hop sideways to bankenta. need pracktice
always wear helmet. gloves are nice for crashing too hands dont get "tocino"
bmx kids and teens are friends. before everyday i go home late and pass by bmx spot they ask me to manual. just cant do it yet. after a while i aproached them and made friends. asked how to manual and if they can do it with my bike. they cant puul it off with my bike. the most all we could do is wheelie endo and hop no manuals yet. now i hang out with them even if i look weird with a helmet and a big bike with bmx people. even experienced having someone hitch on my top tube "paangkas kuya" hehe. when we swap i use a brakeless bmx fun and scary.
all motorists and pedeestrians are friends. there are just a few exeptionaly special with an attitude problem
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Post by wcoastbo on Aug 10, 2006 8:23:43 GMT 8
Here in the states I follow vehicular cycling rules... for the most part I ride as if I were just another vehicle on the road, integrated with the rest of the traffic. Some of the techniques may not be applicable to riding in Phils. I use some of these tips here in my local area, but not all. It's good as a general guide, not as the cycling bible. "Vehicular cycling (VC) is the practice of driving bicycles on public roads in a manner which is visible, predictable, and in accordance with the rules of the road for operating a vehicle..." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_cyclingapologies if I posted this link already, I can't remember. |
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Post by whoopi on Aug 14, 2006 18:44:39 GMT 8
in my experience, pedestrians are more likely to cause me an accident than other vehicles. at least drivers are (usually) alert, and when they see you they will do their best to avoid you (so don't hug the gutter, claim your space on the road and panindigan mo, and always be visible, wear loud colors like bright pink heheh).
but pedestrians, specially kids na naghaharutan sa daan, come out of nowhere. they also never look when they don't hear a motor running. admit it, how many pedestrians turn around when you ring your bike bell?
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Post by Patrick on Aug 14, 2006 20:16:25 GMT 8
Most of you are refering to riding on the road with lots of human and vehicular traffic, so i suggest getting wider bars, not that wide but wide enough. It will give you larger degree of control for sudden stops and sudden turns when a ped blocks you.
Remember that its your fault if you hit a ped, its because you didnt anticipate it.
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Post by sabretooth on Aug 14, 2006 20:44:18 GMT 8
but pedestrians, specially kids na naghaharutan sa daan, come out of nowhere. they also never look when they don't hear a motor running. admit it, how many pedestrians turn around when you ring your bike bell? very true. sometimes i really think my bike bell is really useless. I just enjoy hearing it. |
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Post by <:jun®:> on Aug 14, 2006 21:41:30 GMT 8
be careful of people with umbrellas. as what happened to me in san mateo when we came back from the helipad ride. this guy sitting on the back of a pick-up opened his umbrella sideways wasn't able to avoid it. good thing it was one of those flimsy folding umbrella types...
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Post by joes on Aug 14, 2006 21:45:32 GMT 8
if you get to dent a vehicle from doing NY-courier-service-style-riding, don't look back! look for eskinitas immediately!
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Post by Dragunov on Aug 14, 2006 23:02:43 GMT 8
be careful of people with umbrellas. as what happened to me in san mateo when we came back from the helipad ride. this guy sitting on the back of a pick-up opened his umbrella sideways wasn't able to avoid it. good thing it was one of those flimsy folding umbrella types... hmmmmm? why are you a magnet for disaster jun? ;D ive had my share of those umbrella defense hehehe luckily im riding slow that time |
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Post by <:jun®:> on Aug 16, 2006 16:14:12 GMT 8
ot: me, a magnet for disaster? if i were a magnet for disaster, with my history tagal na sana akong dedo.  i'm actually very lucky... hmmmmm? why are you a magnet for disaster jun? ;D ive had my share of those umbrella defense hehehe luckily im riding slow that time |
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Post by denise648 on Aug 16, 2006 22:14:46 GMT 8
admit it, how many pedestrians turn around when you ring your bike bell? I experienced that along santolan, when a passenger from a jeep was crossing, using my bell bike it seems that she doesn't hear anything, considering that my bell is a loud one and I am not that far not to hear my bell. Just a 45 degree turn of her head (just my estimate) to right just to see me aproaching, but she still walks as if there's no vehicle along her way. Also in welcome rotonda very few pedestrians will notice the ring of your bell. |
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Post by denise648 on Aug 16, 2006 22:26:48 GMT 8
Just ride on your relaxed pace (if your not in a hurry) and be able to predict pedestrians and vehicular movements, and be alert on any things might happen, I second the emotion of ma'am whoopi regarding some pedestrian's, it really makes me irritated specially those crossing the roads came out from nowhere and not using the pedestrian lane.
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Post by rorschach on Aug 18, 2006 3:40:00 GMT 8
be careful of people with umbrellas. as what happened to me in san mateo when we came back from the helipad ride. this guy sitting on the back of a pick-up opened his umbrella sideways wasn't able to avoid it. good thing it was one of those flimsy folding umbrella types... hmmmmm? why are you a magnet for disaster jun? ;D ive had my share of those umbrella defense hehehe luckily im riding slow that time BEP (Bike Eyed Pete) I'm the original magnet of disaster, hikhik, inaagaw ata ni Jun hihihi ;D In a traffic with slow moving vehicles, or fast paced but narrow way for my bike to get through I slow down a bit para maka upper cut pako when the umbrella hits me hehe |
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Post by joolz01 on Oct 28, 2006 0:42:15 GMT 8
if you get to dent a vehicle from doing NY-courier-service-style-riding, don't look back! look for eskinitas immediately! it is also the time to test your skills wehehehe... you'll be amazed at what you can do to avoid capture... you could bunnyhop over things you normally could'nt... adrenalin rush... wehe... |
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LOL! hahaha! joke lang ;D
i'm actually very lucky... 
