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Post by gadgets88 on Sept 4, 2007 8:26:14 GMT 8
What is it about the sport of biking and bike commuting that makes us 2nd class citizens? I'm just new to the sport and I'm already getting raised eyebrows from friends. When I was into golf, badminton, swimming, or online gaming (pioneering in the 1990's), nobody asked why. Now, I get people wondering and sneering at the thought that I'm riding a bike. Is it an association with reckless bike commuters? Is it an ignorance in the health benefits of biking? Is it a lack of interest in the sport? Is it because everybody owns a Ford and can't understand the need to bike commute? Is it because my gloves aren't awesome cool fink in color like Fafa Rocky's? Is it because I'm short and skinny and doesn't look macho like NVP on jerseys? Ok, ok, let's forget this one... ;D I asked myself all these but I don't think I'm asking the right questions. Ano ba talaga kuya? (What is the real score, brad?)
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 4, 2007 10:39:46 GMT 8
Sad to say brad, but in this country, the mentality is that owning a vehicle means you have the dinero. owning a bike, even if your a paid pro doesn't equate to being a road user. then again there's also awareness, only we understand what we do (same goes with mountaineering i guess). anyway, just be glad that you're one less car on the road and those that sneer at you for being a cyclist probably isn't enlightened yet in my case, i'm lucky enough that people around me support my bike commuting, some would even want to commute with me.
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Post by soulcontrol on Sept 4, 2007 10:53:26 GMT 8
or online gaming (pioneering in the 1990's), OT: MUDs??
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Post by kulot_salot on Sept 4, 2007 11:01:36 GMT 8
What is it about the sport of biking and bike commuting that makes us 2nd class citizens? para dehins.... ...talk in engreesh... ...shout at those dang car owners or pesky puv drivers "You F%^# A-hole!" rather than "p#%#%^%$^#$%#$%^!!!" ;D
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Post by marcs on Sept 4, 2007 12:03:12 GMT 8
regarding your point on bike commuting, well, cars are a status symbol here. and not just the money factor, but I guess people will wonder why you bike commute in our polluted streets, how it's dangerous, etc maybe it's not really looking down on you but wondering why the heck you're doing it in the first place?
regarding MTB as a sport, well, I don't know why people will think you're a 2nd class citizen coz of this, given it's an aggressive sport that only a few can handle (naks) hahahahaha, the few the proud!!!
but frankly, who cares!? i mean, do they ban you from drinking in the same water fountain coz you're a biker? do they segregate you? does your pogi point go down coz it? do the other kids not eat with you in the cafeteria?
personally, I think I'm cool coz I'm a biker hahahahahahahahahaha sigh
honestly, I'd rather that people don't know we ride expensive equipment. Makes riding safer. but if you really want to show off, then bring a copy of MBAction in the office, and open it to the most expensive rig you can find there.
Or you can open up more on the great things about Mt Biking . . . elaborate on the different wonderful trails you've been through . . . Sagada, Sierra Madre, etc
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Post by whoopi on Sept 4, 2007 12:46:48 GMT 8
biking kasi has no snob appeal. you become sweaty and dirty--dehins class. they think you bike commute because you're poor and walang pamasahe.
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Post by marcs on Sept 4, 2007 12:53:01 GMT 8
biking kasi has no snob appeal. you become sweaty and dirty--dehins class. . i think that just makes me look macho hahahahaha
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Post by whoopi on Sept 4, 2007 13:03:19 GMT 8
yes, MARCS, but not many people realize you had to cross a river and climb a mountain on two wheels, in scorching heat, in some back of beyond without celphone signal, little drinking water, and dangerous animals lurking in the bushes, to get that way ;D. they think you're just destitute, dirty, and smells like a wet dog ;D
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Post by kulot_salot on Sept 4, 2007 13:04:36 GMT 8
biking kasi has no snob appeal. you become sweaty and dirty--dehins class. . i think that just makes me look macho hahahahaha no pare, it's the nyorts. ;D
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Post by Dragunov on Sept 4, 2007 14:03:20 GMT 8
Gadgets, maybe its because your circle of friend are all first class citizens that never knew how to pedal ;D ;D ;D that's why!
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Post by gadgets88 on Sept 4, 2007 15:49:33 GMT 8
or online gaming (pioneering in the 1990's), OT: MUDs?? OFF TOPIC explanation: Imagine the year 1990. Playing chess one move at a time a day, if the telephone line was busy all day all night, You have to wait a day or 2 for your opponent to make his move before you can continue and vice versa. Or playing a fantasy-based game ala Diablo, except that everything is in TEXT (meaning NO GRAPHICS). You get a text description of where you are and you have a choice of going EAST/WEST/SOUTH/NORTH. The game is also turn-based, meaning if one caller is online, everybody else (the rest of the 100 or so callers) have to wait until he hangs up the phone and whoever gets the connection gets to play next. All of these games are housed in a server and run by a BBS system operator. Access is a modem-to-modem connection. 1 caller per telephone line connected to the server. The monitor is a VGA (green/white screen) by the way, and the modem is rated 1400 bps as I remember it. The internal modem cost around P5K (which is the value of a years worth of tuition fee in an engineering school) in 1990! The external modem cost around P17,500 then. Use of imagination when playing games during those times is a must!
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Post by gadgets88 on Sept 4, 2007 16:10:32 GMT 8
biking kasi has no snob appeal. you become sweaty and dirty--dehins class. they think you bike commute because you're poor and walang pamasahe. That's probably it, not a classy/social sport... aside from that you're sanity and better judgment is in question to ride in such dangerous grounds. I get a different kind of look not just from (first class?) circle of friends but also from (first class?) roadies (who limit their training away from the road) and friends who probably haven't tried biking. I'm just wondering because I never had that mentality before. In fact, after a bad knee twist and several ankle sprain from badminton, biking immediately came to mind as a therapy. Take note that I have never rode a bike before the very moment I dropped by Admin's place (to copy some porn movies?) and when I asked him if biking will do me good, he made a phone call to the PIMP and it probably took me 2 seconds to think deeply and said: okay deliver the bike. ;D So, I'm wondering why the bad reputation of biking in the Phils, was expecting an answer like... maybe some bikers commit crimes on a daily basis or something... or Lance Armstrong bit somebody's ear and punched him at the back. The saddest part is that security guards (who are biker themselves) don't know how to treat fellow bikers courteously to explain when management do not allow bikes in the facility, and didn't have the initiative to ask why in our behalf in the first place, so that they have a ready explanation when asking bikers not to enter the premises.
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Post by knobbyist on Sept 4, 2007 16:27:49 GMT 8
i believe ignorance has a lot to do with it. on the other hand, mountain biking is still in its infancy here in our beloved country. the more people who gets into the sport, the more enlightened our society will be about our plight and our cause. thats why it is of the utmost importance to ride as much as we can to show what we are all about and to participate in fun rides and EBs to demonstrate our solidarity. mabuhay ang uring mamamadyak!!! hehehe!
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Post by quiesledaddy on Sept 5, 2007 0:46:41 GMT 8
2nd class citizens?? how do you come about in saying na 2nd class citizens ang mga cyclist? Why do we as cyclist , seems to be bothered by not getting enough attention? This is the point right? so what if other people don't give a rat's ass about cyclist??? big freakin' deal!!! See, this thread reduced our riding time already and people still don't give a rat's ass. ;D 0.02
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Post by nell7806 on Sept 5, 2007 1:42:43 GMT 8
i believe ignorance has a lot to do with it. on the other hand, mountain biking is still in its infancy here in our beloved country. the more people who gets into the sport, the more enlightened our society will be about our plight and our cause. thats why it is of the utmost importance to ride as much as we can to show what we are all about and to participate in fun rides and EBs to demonstrate our solidarity. mabuhay ang uring mamamadyak!!! hehehe! "i believe ignorance has a lot to do with it" I drink to this sir... but mountainbiking is no longer on it's infancy... why??? I got my first MTB after deciding that I'm done with my BMX (kinda outgrew it) and it was a decade +... then riding regularly, i have met people who are already been ontop of MTB's for 4, 6, 7 years...... I guess the main factor here is not ignorance but the capaity of a person to accept things in reality and the ability to think more than what he can say... me a second class citizen??? darn... I respect the Constitution... I respect the Philippine flag... I maybe riding an imported bike but still I pay my taxes even before i get my payslip... a pure blooded Filipino being typecast by another pure blooded Filipino... Shasime este SHAME! ! !
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Post by trance03 on Sept 5, 2007 7:06:03 GMT 8
not so much people are familiar with the burning pleasure the saddle brings at it rubs your inner thighs er, what i mean to say is , not all people relate to the positive aspects/ (virtues if you may) that riding mtb bring. not all men has been lucky enough (yet) to discover the fulfillment brought by biking. i dont say were second class. if they force the issue, i'd insist otherwise. we are a fortunate minority. and they dont know what they're missing.
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Post by glockbiker on Sept 5, 2007 11:23:44 GMT 8
Property developers and urban planners here simply do not factor in the bike commuters when they design for ex) a new mall or a new business district (like The Fort) because the bicycle is unfairly sterotyped as a poor man's means of transportation.
When these guys think "bicycle" they have in mind those poor impoverished masses who swarm on the city roads of India and China everyday.
For these people, a guy on a bicycle will never be as glamorous as a guy with a Porsche or an SUV standing infront of those gleaming steel and glass buildings of Makati.
It will take years before we become like the Netherlands or Japan where the bicycle is taken seriously as an alternative form of transportation.
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Post by Benj on Sept 5, 2007 13:27:51 GMT 8
Maybe at the back of their minds, bikes are cheap and so they look at bikers as cheap as the bikes they ride. What they do not know is, our bikes can also be as expensive as 2nd hand cars of the 90's. But who really cares if our bike is worth as that of a "pamalengke" or a little more expensive than a brand new motorcycle or maybe priced like a 1995 Honda Civic? We bike because we simply enjoy riding either in going in and out for work or during weekends to the trails and mountains. We just love to bike and experience the fulfillment that it brings to us when we conquer the hardest trails and mountains and even the urban streets.
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 5, 2007 14:11:51 GMT 8
i dont care about them...i dont feel like a second class citizen when i'm on my bike...take pride my bothers..it will show on your faces and they will learn to respect you. naks! ;D hahaha!
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Post by marcs on Sept 5, 2007 14:40:23 GMT 8
yeah we're cool! hehehehe
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Post by ghorio on Sept 5, 2007 15:21:04 GMT 8
I am not a second class citizen, you are not a second class citizen, and we are not a second class citizen.... Some of my mtbike parts might be second hand, but mtbiking makes me feel FIRST CLASS! They just didnt know that they are missing a lot in mtbiking..... tara na! padjak lang ng padjak!
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Post by BrusKO on Sept 5, 2007 16:10:38 GMT 8
What's with this topic? Just make use of the middle fingers you have there... I believe you got two... Then pedal away!
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Post by Pao on Sept 5, 2007 16:13:15 GMT 8
bikers as 2nd class? I've seen MT bikes ranging from 200-500k and we are called 2nd class? Imagine spending half a million on a 2-wheel vehicle instead of 4? Ha! ;D
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Post by tutubing kalye on Sept 5, 2007 17:47:27 GMT 8
yeah, PhITY those inside their 4-wheeled box (and those who think owners of 4-wheeled boxes are first class citizens) who view bikers that way
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Post by knobbyist on Sept 5, 2007 22:11:26 GMT 8
those first class citizens on their 4-wheeled boxes have second class brains for thinking that way. hehehe!
yeah padjak lang ng padjak my brodhas. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gadgets88 on Sept 6, 2007 8:59:33 GMT 8
Maybe at the back of their minds, bikes are cheap and so they look at bikers as cheap as the bikes they ride. The title should have been renamed as: Why do some people think/treat bikers as 2nd class? Like if I bought a Toyota Camry and told my firends we're going out, test drive it for the first time and get some coffee, they'll probably be exhilarated. If I told them I'm lending my other bike and ask if they care to join me pedal some 10km and get a cup of coffee, usually the response I get is: "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???" Property developers and urban planners here simply do not factor in the bike commuters when they design for ex) a new mall or a new business district (like The Fort) because the bicycle is unfairly sterotyped as a poor man's means of transportation. When these guys think "bicycle" they have in mind those poor impoverished masses who swarm on the city roads of India and China everyday. For these people, a guy on a bicycle will never be as glamorous as a guy with a Porsche or an SUV standing infront of those gleaming steel and glass buildings of Makati. It will take years before we become like the Netherlands or Japan where the bicycle is taken seriously as an alternative form of transportation. Exactly! There are so many bikers in the country and they seem not to exist in the minds of government officials and urban planners. So what are we to do to reverse that attitude/mentality?
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Post by Patrick on Sept 6, 2007 9:42:44 GMT 8
Help us with the bike park project and increase awareness that MTB is as glamorous or more than badminton hehe
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Post by Alphabolt on Sept 6, 2007 9:57:26 GMT 8
Dont worry...most of them will be dead much earlier than you Who get s left is 1st
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Post by xctofi on Sept 6, 2007 10:06:20 GMT 8
What is it about the sport of biking and bike commuting that makes us 2nd class citizens? I'm just new to the sport and I'm already getting raised eyebrows from friends. When I was into golf, badminton, swimming, or online gaming (pioneering in the 1990's), nobody asked why. Now, I get people wondering and sneering at the thought that I'm riding a bike. Is it an association with reckless bike commuters? Is it an ignorance in the health benefits of biking? Is it a lack of interest in the sport? Is it because everybody owns a Ford and can't understand the need to bike commute? Is it because my gloves aren't awesome cool fink in color like Fafa Rocky's? Is it because I'm short and skinny and doesn't look macho like NVP on jerseys? Ok, ok, let's forget this one... ;D I asked myself all these but I don't think I'm asking the right questions. Ano ba talaga kuya? (What is the real score, brad?) stop typing and start pedalling. the answer will come to you. those who "rides" their bike knows what the real score is and we know that we dont need to explain whatever we love doing to anyone. again, stop typing and start pedalling.
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Post by kulot_salot on Sept 6, 2007 10:19:30 GMT 8
Help us with the bike park project and increase awareness that MTB is as glamorous or more than badminton hehe right on the nuts, patrick!!!! ;D
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