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Post by donfacundo on Sept 18, 2007 0:46:01 GMT 8
advertisement Monday September 17, 11:05 AM China protests against proposed US weapons sales to Taiwan
Photo: AFP Click to enlarge BEIJING (AFP) - China protested against proposed 2.2-billion-dollar US weapon sales to Taiwan Monday, urging Washington to cancel the deal and end its ties with the island's military.
"The Chinese side strongly opposes the sales of weapons to Taiwan by the US government," a foreign ministry spokeswoman said.
"This constitutes rude interference in China's internal affairs. The Chinese side strongly protests against this and has raised solemn representations with the United States."
The Pentagon announced last week possible sales to Taiwan of a dozen P-3C Orion anti-submarine patrol aircraft and SM-2 anti-aircraft missiles worth more than 2.2 billion dollars.
"The proposed sale will help improve the security of the recipient and assist in maintaining political stability, military balance and economic progress in the region," the US Defense Security and Cooperation Agency said in a statement.
The China foreign ministry spokeswoman said the sales violated US commitments to respect Beijing as the sole legal government of all of China, including Taiwan, and to gradually end weapons sales to the island territory.
ADVERTISEMENT "We urge the US side to implement with real actions its solemn commitments on the Taiwan issue, immediately cancel the weapons sales to the Taiwan military, end all weapons sales and contacts with the Taiwanese side and stop sending wrong signals to Taiwan," she said.
"The Chinese side reserves the right to adopt further measures."
China fears that such sales could embolden Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian to push forward plans to declare the island's formal independence or seek to bring the territory into the United Nations under the name of "Taiwan," she said.
"Currently the situation in the Taiwan strait is very complicated and sensitive, but Chen Shui-bian is stubbornly pushing forward activities ... which are seriously threatening peace and stability," she said.
Taiwan and China split in 1949 at the end of a civil war. Beijing has repeatedly threatened to invade the island should it declare formal independence.
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Post by allegra on Sept 18, 2007 8:44:24 GMT 8
Yeah , I'd say give the weapons to us , so we can defend our waters from China Why dont we protest China's freign policy as well
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 18, 2007 10:36:49 GMT 8
interest against interest...one nation's dream is another one's nightmare...in the question that what nation would you rather prefer to play the more important international role? anong sagot mo?
china? who doesnt respect intellectual property rights, no environmental consciousness, floods the market with substandard products without regard to safety of users, uncontrolled population, regularly encroaching in our waters, when they were finding it harder to smuggle meth to our shores, actually moved the factories into our land? dont get me wrong here peeps. im not against its people, its the government and its policies.
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Post by ice on Sept 18, 2007 11:28:22 GMT 8
Yeah , I'd say give the weapons to us , so we can defend our waters from China Why dont we protest China's freign policy as well it's the one-china policy........ we only recognize the commie tsinoy.... no wonder why we can't recieve or even purchase the f-5e interim fighters and other juicy weapons, armaments, ships and other military systems taiwan has been offering to us ever since. curahee!
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Post by jr on Sept 19, 2007 4:42:19 GMT 8
interest against interest...one nation's dream is another one's nightmare...in the question that what nation would you rather prefer to play the more important international role? anong sagot mo? china? who doesnt respect intellectual property rights, no environmental consciousness, floods the market with substandard products without regard to safety of users, uncontrolled population, regularly encroaching in our waters, when they were finding it harder to smuggle meth to our shores, actually moved the factories into our land? dont get me wrong here peeps. im not against its people, its the government and its policies. Since lots of countries doesnt like U.S policies. Aside from China. How about Russia? ;D ;D Lamok..well said. Lots of toys and seafood distributors in the US recalling products came from China due to lead and pesticide contamination. I could imagine in Pinas by not screening the product made in china and will end up to the innocent Filipino children.
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Post by oceanrider88 on Sept 23, 2007 21:36:02 GMT 8
The US has always had the worst foreign policies. It allowed and supported the Israeli invasion of Palestine, it tried to change the national polices of cuba / korea / vietnam / russia, it invaded Iraq for oil, they plan to invade Iran next for more oil, they want the chinese Yuen to be pegged against the dollar... etc etc. The US is scared of China. they know they have no chance against them in terms of international trade or militia. The best way for the US to support their economy is to crush the chinese economy - otherwise many US frims would close down. Their support of Taiwan is strategic in that they now have an open ally against china and would be able to justify an attack on china if china invades taiwan over this. just my 2 cents ...
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 23, 2007 22:26:31 GMT 8
uhm...what country has the best foreign policy? lemme guess...hmm...iran? china?..japan?...germany, france? nope?...russia? philippines?
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Post by kulot_salot on Sept 23, 2007 23:53:03 GMT 8
uhm...what country has the best foreign policy? definitely nokor .............if not, i'm guessing TONGA.
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Post by jr on Sept 24, 2007 3:33:58 GMT 8
The US has always had the worst foreign policies. It allowed and supported the Israeli invasion of Palestine, it tried to change the national polices of cuba / korea / vietnam / russia, it invaded Iraq for oil, they plan to invade Iran next for more oil, they want the chinese Yuen to be pegged against the dollar... etc etc. The US is scared of China. they know they have no chance against them in terms of international trade or militia. The best way for the US to support their economy is to crush the chinese economy - otherwise many US frims would close down. Their support of Taiwan is strategic in that they now have an open ally against china and would be able to justify an attack on china if china invades taiwan over this. just my 2 cents ... ;D ;D ;D ;D..What countries you think have better foreign policy? US spending more than what they are getting from Iraq. Only few percentage of US oil consummation are coming from middle east. Why Iran and Iraq to invade for oil? Venezuela is closer.. if just of oil? Israel invade Palestinian? Hmmmm when that happen. Taiwan is been an US allied for long time. Taiwan wants to be independent country. US scared to China? ;D ;D ;D probably. But I dont think so. Just think if North Korean continue there Nuclear technology and declare war on Japan. Is going to be vacuum the entire Asia pacific region including the Philippines. Same with Iran? Now they are the Bully in Middle East. Did you heared anything going about vietnam, philippines sea borders that the Chinese crossing and killing? But everyone have entitled of there opinion. But also entitled to be re battle .
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 24, 2007 15:34:53 GMT 8
uhm...what country has the best foreign policy? definitely nokor .............if not, i'm guessing TONGA. i think you got it right the first time...i'll go for north korea too. ;D
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 25, 2007 1:18:14 GMT 8
seriously i think we should look at singapore
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Post by allegra on Sept 25, 2007 7:59:18 GMT 8
seriously i think we should look at singapore Coz they dont have a choice but to be friendly kasi All a hostile nation has to do is pi$$ on the ocean and it will drown the whole city
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Post by oceanrider88 on Sept 25, 2007 12:34:41 GMT 8
;D ;D ;D ;D..What countries you think have better foreign policy? I think, in general, that there are no perfect foreign policies in that foreign policies tend to be self serving rather than be made for the common good. The best foreign policies have to serve the greater common good. I just think that US foreign policies are one of the most aggressive and selfish in that they coerce other nations to abide by their ideologies. I dont think its right to tell your neighbor how to run their household. Moreso, tell another president how to run their country - pretty much like how we are run. US spending more than what they are getting from Iraq. Yesir. I agree. What the US showed the world before the invasion was that there were weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam Hussein was a big threat. When they landed there and no weapons were found, they stayed behind and raged on. Why? The US claimed that Saddam was a threat and an ally to terrorists. After saddam's capture and hanging, US troops stayed behind. Why? Aside from the Iraq oil reserves, the war serves as self serving interest for the Bush family and their cronies like dick cheney. www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Welfare/CarlyleGroup_HMOWD%3F.htmlwww.tompaine.com/articles/2007/01/19/its_still_about_the_oil.phpipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38780It's true, the US government is losing money in this war but Bush and his cronies are profiteering in Iraq. The economic costs are different and seperate for the Bush cronies and the US government. Only few percentage of US oil consummation are coming from middle east. Why Iran and Iraq to invade for oil? Venezuela is closer.. if just of oil? Actually, oil production and oil reserves are different if that is what you meant. Oil production is the technological capacity to produce oil by using infrastructure such as refining and drilling facilities. Below is a list of the country's largest oil producers (not necessarily largest oil reserves): www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/topworldtables1_2.htmOil reserves refer to the natural richness of oil in a certain country. A country can be rich in oil reserves but have no technological capacity to produce and refine them into a final product. There are only a few countries which have large reserves and can produce and refine oil into a final product: www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.htmlIran has more reserves than Venezuela. Also, it is easier to justify an Iran invasion over the beach loving people and beauty queens of Venezuela because of Iran's alleged ties to terrorists. www.cfr.org/publication/9362/www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369786If you are going to steal, you have to do it cunningly and try to get the support of several anti-terrorist countries and even the UN. That way, you are seen as a savior rather than an imperialist rapist. The US will have a hard time justifying a Venezuelan occupation. Israel invade Palestinian? Hmmmm when that happen. 1967 sir. Below is a UN resolution for Israel to vacate Palestine after the invasion. domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/9c1564a379bc943d0525654f005d71cc!OpenDocument&Highlight=2,S%2F10070 "1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; ..." excerpt from 1971 resolution This refusal to leave has led to another war in 1973 with the arabs. The terrorists who blow themselves up just want Israel to leave The Occupied Territories and stop the maltreatment and abuses done to muslims. They are killing themselves out of desperation and attention- we are turning deaf ears. www.hrdc.net/sahrdc/hrfchr59/Issue3/occupied_territories.htmmembers.aol.com/palestinenews/index3.htmlI am a catholic by the way but i feel people should be treated like people - regardless of religion. We fought against the spaniards, japanese, and americans for these atrocities. Arabs are fighting for palestinians because of the way these jews treat arabs on the land they invaded. Taiwan is been an US allied for long time. Taiwan wants to be independent country. Yes nothing wrong with Taiwan for wanting that. I would want that for Taiwan. But if you were China, would you allow that? Would you allow others to meddle with your problems? Would you allow other people to meddle with your household problems. Would you allow the US to liberate Mindanao to be a seperate state? Although I think war between the US and China over Taiwan is very remote, i feel the US may take advantage of that to try to cripple China's economy - so long as republicans lead anyway. My point in this thread was that the US should not meddle with China's internal policies. US scared to China? ;D ;D ;D probably. But I dont think so. Scared in terms of economic threat not deep set fear. Actually, was really implying a trade war but recognized and commented on the fact that chinese militia had an advantage over the US in terms of numbers (the US lost to puny vietnam and korea - what more china with 4 times its population and technological edge). Was just too lazy to explain. I just feel the US will gladly conquer any strategic bearing nation given the chance. We are talking about 2 of the world's largest technologically advanced economies who want to secure a sustainable economic trading edge over the other in the global market place. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7693580/site/newsweek/www.freeworldacademy.com/globalleader/china.htmwww.asiasociety.org/speeches/lardy.htmlJust think if North Korean continue there Nuclear technology and declare war on Japan. I understand your concern and respect it sir. North Korea is not the only country with nukes though. There are others. Pakistan and India are at each other's throats. The US wants to take down the North Korean aggression because it is a communist country. They are determined to win the war they lost in the 50's. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weaponsAlso, was really referring to the korean war back in the 50's to rid communism in the country. I dont blame N. korea for wanting to develop nuclear weapons - they are still at war with S. Korea up to now and they they may still have fresh wounds from the US war. In this regard, I think it is a global responsibility to discourage korean nuclear weapon development. We have to save our planet. These are just my opinions sir I just dont like the way the US meddles into everyone's affairs but refuses to listen to others. That was all i wanted to point out sir. peace
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Post by jr on Sept 26, 2007 1:20:35 GMT 8
;D ;D ;D ;D..What countries you think have better foreign policy? I think, in general, that there are no perfect foreign policies in that foreign policies tend to be self serving rather than be made for the common good. The best foreign policies have to serve the greater common good. I just think that US foreign policies are one of the most aggressive and selfish in that they coerce other nations to abide by their ideologies. I dont think its right to tell your neighbor how to run their household. Moreso, tell another president how to run their country - pretty much like how we are run. US spending more than what they are getting from Iraq. Yesir. I agree. What the US showed the world before the invasion was that there were weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam Hussein was a big threat. When they landed there and no weapons were found, they stayed behind and raged on. Why? The US claimed that Saddam was a threat and an ally to terrorists. After saddam's capture and hanging, US troops stayed behind. Why? Aside from the Iraq oil reserves, the war serves as self serving interest for the Bush family and their cronies like dick cheney. www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Welfare/CarlyleGroup_HMOWD%3F.htmlwww.tompaine.com/articles/2007/01/19/its_still_about_the_oil.phpipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38780It's true, the US government is losing money in this war but Bush and his cronies are profiteering in Iraq. The economic costs are different and seperate for the Bush cronies and the US government. Only few percentage of US oil consummation are coming from middle east. Why Iran and Iraq to invade for oil? Venezuela is closer.. if just of oil? Actually, oil production and oil reserves are different if that is what you meant. Oil production is the technological capacity to produce oil by using infrastructure such as refining and drilling facilities. Below is a list of the country's largest oil producers (not necessarily largest oil reserves): www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/topworldtables1_2.htmOil reserves refer to the natural richness of oil in a certain country. A country can be rich in oil reserves but have no technological capacity to produce and refine them into a final product. There are only a few countries which have large reserves and can produce and refine oil into a final product: www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.htmlIran has more reserves than Venezuela. Also, it is easier to justify an Iran invasion over the beach loving people and beauty queens of Venezuela because of Iran's alleged ties to terrorists. www.cfr.org/publication/9362/www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369786If you are going to steal, you have to do it cunningly and try to get the support of several anti-terrorist countries and even the UN. That way, you are seen as a savior rather than an imperialist rapist. The US will have a hard time justifying a Venezuelan occupation. Israel invade Palestinian? Hmmmm when that happen. 1967 sir. Below is a UN resolution for Israel to vacate Palestine after the invasion. domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/9c1564a379bc943d0525654f005d71cc!OpenDocument&Highlight=2,S%2F10070 "1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; ..." excerpt from 1971 resolution This refusal to leave has led to another war in 1973 with the arabs. The terrorists who blow themselves up just want Israel to leave The Occupied Territories and stop the maltreatment and abuses done to muslims. They are killing themselves out of desperation and attention- we are turning deaf ears. www.hrdc.net/sahrdc/hrfchr59/Issue3/occupied_territories.htmmembers.aol.com/palestinenews/index3.htmlI am a catholic by the way but i feel people should be treated like people - regardless of religion. We fought against the spaniards, japanese, and americans for these atrocities. Arabs are fighting for palestinians because of the way these jews treat arabs on the land they invaded. Taiwan is been an US allied for long time. Taiwan wants to be independent country. Yes nothing wrong with Taiwan for wanting that. I would want that for Taiwan. But if you were China, would you allow that? Would you allow others to meddle with your problems? Would you allow other people to meddle with your household problems. Would you allow the US to liberate Mindanao to be a seperate state? Although I think war between the US and China over Taiwan is very remote, i feel the US may take advantage of that to try to cripple China's economy - so long as republicans lead anyway. My point in this thread was that the US should not meddle with China's internal policies. US scared to China? ;D ;D ;D probably. But I dont think so. Scared in terms of economic threat not deep set fear. Actually, was really implying a trade war but recognized and commented on the fact that chinese militia had an advantage over the US in terms of numbers (the US lost to puny vietnam and korea - what more china with 4 times its population and technological edge). Was just too lazy to explain. I just feel the US will gladly conquer any strategic bearing nation given the chance. We are talking about 2 of the world's largest technologically advanced economies who want to secure a sustainable economic trading edge over the other in the global market place. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7693580/site/newsweek/www.freeworldacademy.com/globalleader/china.htmwww.asiasociety.org/speeches/lardy.htmlJust think if North Korean continue there Nuclear technology and declare war on Japan. I understand your concern and respect it sir. North Korea is not the only country with nukes though. There are others. Pakistan and India are at each other's throats. The US wants to take down the North Korean aggression because it is a communist country. They are determined to win the war they lost in the 50's. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weaponsAlso, was really referring to the korean war back in the 50's to rid communism in the country. I dont blame N. korea for wanting to develop nuclear weapons - they are still at war with S. Korea up to now and they they may still have fresh wounds from the US war. In this regard, I think it is a global responsibility to discourage korean nuclear weapon development. We have to save our planet. These are just my opinions sir I just dont like the way the US meddles into everyone's affairs but refuses to listen to others. That was all i wanted to point out sir. peace I hope every country leader think the same. Without a world leader in this world is a mess. Everyone wants to be a leader. This is the cause of war since the evolution of human kind. But what country who sacrifice a lot and to free those countries from freedom? Is not only the US claimed had the WMD look at the history before this Iraq war. UN, Russia, France and including China knew Iraq have the WMD. I just keep on repeating myself the other thread. Saddam was supporting terrorist including a the Italian terrorist. He had been leaving there after the terrorist act he did. He providing money to Palestinian people who committed suicide. This are allegation but no common facts. US govt. is not that stupid regards Bush and Chaney benefiting the oil revenue. In the US history did they invade a countries without any cause? To think invading Iran for oil make no sense. They might get bomb for there Nuclear activity that I agree. This are just allegation and no facts. US govt. already been forcing auto makers to find alternative aside oil. They given them 10 years. Let see after that. Israel invades neighboring countries due to what reason? They dont believe Israel should be there? Remember Palestinian is not a country. Just a group of settlers from other Arab countries then being used by terrorism. Common..you think China military technology are far better than US? They might have the higher military personnel but not on technology. In fact some of there technology have stolen from US military. Look Taiwan have been independent. They survive with there sweat without help form there mainland China. They wants to buy weapons from US with there own sweat. Whats wrong with that. US not meddling the between them is a business. Well they made a mistake during the war with the South. If you think about it lots of Filipino fought that war. my uncle served that war after Japanese invasion in PI. US..given them money, food, oil when Clinton was in the office but the leader use that money to develop nuclear technology instead to feed the people of N. Korea. Look..how many times they tried to provoke the South Korean and Japan. They keep doing missile test directly to Japan? N. Korea doesnt have food. They only have the military. As a country if your people dont eat use that military to get food..need attention? Thats they were doing. They are unstable country compare to India and Pakistan. As I said to the other thread. We just go with the flow. We just do our daily life be healthy and enjoy biking .
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Post by dayuhan on Sept 26, 2007 8:18:40 GMT 8
On the brighter side, I think the chance of China, Taiwan, and the US getting into a fight is just about nil. People in all 3 countries are making way too much money doing business with each other to want to start shooting each other. All 3 are trading economies; China in particular depends on exports to keep its economy moving, and war is bad for business.
That's the beauty of trade: it makes peace. Nobody wants to blow up their customers, or their suppliers.
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Post by enzo on Sept 26, 2007 16:49:03 GMT 8
[/quote] Israel invades neighboring countries due to what reason? They dont believe Israel should be there? Remember Palestinian is not a country. Just a group of settlers from other Arab countries then being used by terrorism.
JR lakay, Palestinians are inhabitants or people of Palestine, They are the original people of these lands. The country Israel was formed after the settlers who came from Europe after the holocaust.
Palestine is a country then and a country now. Sad though that these people are not free in their own country, the occupied territories as they called it is all Palestine. It is true that there are terrorist in and around or all over this region, but that was born out of the hardship of not living free in their own land.
I admire and pity at the same time the suicide bombers. Blowing themselves to make a point.
What would you say if this things happened to us? Our very own country, they will build settlements and expel the original people, block passages to and from, and stop you from going to places of worship. And youre fighting a military so strong the amount of a few copters and tanks is already the country's annual budget?
Id definitely go or join a resistance movement or became a terrorist if that's what they call it. Or maybe be a suicide bomber.
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Post by enzo on Sept 26, 2007 17:14:40 GMT 8
Israel invade Palestinian? Hmmmm when that happen. 1967 sir. Below is a UN resolution for Israel to vacate Palestine after the invasion. domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/9c1564a379bc943d0525654f005d71cc!OpenDocument&Highlight=2,S%2F10070 "1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; ..." excerpt from 1971 resolution This refusal to leave has led to another war in 1973 with the arabs. The terrorists who blow themselves up just want Israel to leave The Occupied Territories and stop the maltreatment and abuses done to muslims. They are killing themselves out of desperation and attention- we are turning deaf ears. www.hrdc.net/sahrdc/hrfchr59/Issue3/occupied_territories.htmmembers.aol.com/palestinenews/index3.htmlI am a catholic by the way but i feel people should be treated like people - regardless of religion. We fought against the spaniards, japanese, and americans for these atrocities. Arabs are fighting for palestinians because of the way these jews treat arabs on the land they invaded. Oceanrider, Im a christian and being here in the middle east and meeting muslims and other religions here gave me a broader and deeper understanding of whats going on in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES. I have spoken to so many Palestinians and children who grew up everywhere because they were expelled or THROWN away from their very own land, heck they cannot even go back there to visit their relatives. This is not about a religious war, Its about freedom. What do you see when you see an Israeli? European looking, Prolly east european, Russian ,Hungarian, Polish, etc. Anyone can tell me if they are the real inhabitants of Palestine. Aggrieved Just sharing my thoughts. Thanks for sharing,
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Post by oceanrider88 on Sept 26, 2007 21:48:12 GMT 8
Thank you for sharing enzo. Sadly not everyone will share the same view - especially most of the western world. I dont think the palestinian problem will be solved anytime soon. Its hard to stand up against a middle eastern superpower like Israel - especially if it is backed up by another superpower like the US. I guess so long as there are many jews in the US congress, the US senate, the US media, and in the US movie industry (mainstreaming of political ideologies), the US may never ever tell Israel to back off.
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Post by weekendrider on Sept 26, 2007 22:20:11 GMT 8
Looking back in history of Palestinians and Israelites, who's really there first. What was the religion in Jerusalem when Jesus Christ was born. Who are the masses that put Christ to the cross are they Jews or Palestinians? Did the Israelites just came from another country and open up their own country in the Middle East?
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Post by jr on Sept 26, 2007 22:26:47 GMT 8
Israel invade Palestinian? Hmmmm when that happen. 1967 sir. Below is a UN resolution for Israel to vacate Palestine after the invasion. domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/9c1564a379bc943d0525654f005d71cc!OpenDocument&Highlight=2,S%2F10070 "1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; ..." excerpt from 1971 resolution This refusal to leave has led to another war in 1973 with the arabs. The terrorists who blow themselves up just want Israel to leave The Occupied Territories and stop the maltreatment and abuses done to muslims. They are killing themselves out of desperation and attention- we are turning deaf ears. www.hrdc.net/sahrdc/hrfchr59/Issue3/occupied_territories.htmmembers.aol.com/palestinenews/index3.htmlI am a catholic by the way but i feel people should be treated like people - regardless of religion. We fought against the spaniards, japanese, and americans for these atrocities. Arabs are fighting for palestinians because of the way these jews treat arabs on the land they invaded. Oceanrider, Im a christian and being here in the middle east and meeting muslims and other religions here gave me a broader and deeper understanding of whats going on in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES. I have spoken to so many Palestinians and children who grew up everywhere because they were expelled or THROWN away from their very own land, heck they cannot even go back there to visit their relatives. This is not about a religious war, Its about freedom. What do you see when you see an Israeli? European looking, Prolly east european, Russian ,Hungarian, Polish, etc. Anyone can tell me if they are the real inhabitants of Palestine. Aggrieved Just sharing my thoughts. Thanks for sharing, Lakay, Jews just re claiming there property. This are decendants from Abrahams. Remember Jesus Christ? I understand some Israel policy are not perfect. But people from that state not be able to come home thats new to me. I known lots of Palestinians even JLO and Madonnas hair dresser been going to the place once a year. Even stayed at resorts inside Israel. But he really hits the Israel though ;D ;D.
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Post by jr on Sept 26, 2007 22:33:05 GMT 8
Thank you for sharing enzo. Sadly not everyone will share the same view - especially most of the western world. I dont think the palestinian problem will be solved anytime soon. Its hard to stand up against a middle eastern superpower like Israel - especially if it is backed up by another superpower like the US. I guess so long as there are many jews in the US congress, the US senate, the US media, and in the US movie industry (mainstreaming of political ideologies), the US may never ever tell Israel to back off. Hmmmm..could be true. But why Middle Eastern countries didnt protest during Israel creation by the UN?
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Post by jr on Sept 26, 2007 22:33:49 GMT 8
On the brighter side, I think the chance of China, Taiwan, and the US getting into a fight is just about nil. People in all 3 countries are making way too much money doing business with each other to want to start shooting each other. All 3 are trading economies; China in particular depends on exports to keep its economy moving, and war is bad for business. That's the beauty of trade: it makes peace. Nobody wants to blow up their customers, or their suppliers. Totally agree..
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Post by jr on Sept 26, 2007 22:39:59 GMT 8
Looking back in history of Palestinians and Israelites, who's really there first. What was the religion in Jerusalem when Jesus Christ was born. Who are the masses that put Christ to the cross are they Jews or Palestinians? Did the Israelites just came from another country and open up their own country in the Middle East? ;D ;D ;D..these are the descendant who got thrown out from Egypt.
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Post by allegra on Sept 26, 2007 23:50:16 GMT 8
On the brighter side, I think the chance of China, Taiwan, and the US getting into a fight is just about nil. People in all 3 countries are making way too much money doing business with each other to want to start shooting each other. All 3 are trading economies; China in particular depends on exports to keep its economy moving, and war is bad for business. That's the beauty of trade: it makes peace. Nobody wants to blow up their customers, or their suppliers. Oh I think they will fight , but not a military fight Defeating the enemy w/out fighting is very sun Tzu
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Post by allegra on Sept 27, 2007 0:02:53 GMT 8
Looking back in history of Palestinians and Israelites, who's really there first. What was the religion in Jerusalem when Jesus Christ was born. Who are the masses that put Christ to the cross are they Jews or Palestinians? Did the Israelites just came from another country and open up their own country in the Middle East? ;D ;D ;D..these are the descendant who got thrown out from Egypt. One of my fave quotes from Golda Meir was about Moses leading the Israelites for 40 years through the desert and deciding to settle in the only spot in the middle east w/out any oil! haha One of my dad's friends was a former combat chopper pilot of the IDF Very calm and tough dude , his younger nephews mukang naghahanap parati ng away
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 27, 2007 0:14:39 GMT 8
Looking back in history of Palestinians and Israelites, who's really there first. What was the religion in Jerusalem when Jesus Christ was born. Who are the masses that put Christ to the cross are they Jews or Palestinians? Did the Israelites just came from another country and open up their own country in the Middle East? even without dealing with the question of religion..this is a very difficult question to answer...that particular area in the m.east has a story prolly longer than the written history...of wars, government, occupation etc...tracing back in history what people have the rightful claim to it would be next to impossible...according to some books the palestinian people originated from greece...before the palestines came, who were the people there? and whoever those people, just because they were there first, can claim that this land is theirs? shall we just forget and ignore what is happening right now, the recent history and the people who are there right now? how far do we have to go back to determine rightful claim. shall we establish a cutoff period? do the american indians have the right to kick the whites and blacks out of north america? the portugese and spanish from south america? how bout the aborigines in australia? do the negritos have the right to remove you (yes, you the ruling malays) from the face of pinas? people, there was a time in history that nations were only its people, there were no land bounderies to speak of...people conquer people..you defeat them, you have the right on their resources..when foreign policy was the edge of the sword...right was paid with blood that the loser had to honor. just my 2 cents.
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oceanrider88
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Post by oceanrider88 on Sept 27, 2007 0:23:24 GMT 8
Hmmmm..could be true. But why Middle Eastern countries didnt protest during Israel creation by the UN? check this out sir. I think you'll be surprised to find out that the first terrorist were jews. Palestine back then was rural, filled with uneducated villagers who were no match to the british army trained jewish veterans. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/78601.stm
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 27, 2007 0:39:15 GMT 8
Hmmmm..could be true. But why Middle Eastern countries didnt protest during Israel creation by the UN? check this out sir. I think you'll be surprised to find out that the first terrorist were jews. Palestine back then was rural, filled with uneducated villagers who were no match to the british army trained jewish veterans. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/78601.stmno, thats wrong...its the british! haha! ;D
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Post by jr on Sept 27, 2007 0:47:51 GMT 8
Hmmmm..could be true. But why Middle Eastern countries didnt protest during Israel creation by the UN? check this out sir. I think you'll be surprised to find out that the first terrorist were jews. Palestine back then was rural, filled with uneducated villagers who were no match to the british army trained jewish veterans. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/78601.stmHmmmm..interesting. Seem like the jews are created and develop lot of things. Are they special people? Look at there history. Thats the reason Hitler dislike them so much. Thanks for the info.
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Post by jr on Sept 27, 2007 0:51:12 GMT 8
Looking back in history of Palestinians and Israelites, who's really there first. What was the religion in Jerusalem when Jesus Christ was born. Who are the masses that put Christ to the cross are they Jews or Palestinians? Did the Israelites just came from another country and open up their own country in the Middle East? even without dealing with the question of religion..this is a very difficult question to answer...that particular area in the m.east has a story prolly longer than the written history...of wars, government, occupation etc...tracing back in history what people have the rightful claim to it would be next to impossible...according to some books the palestinian people originated from greece...before the palestines came, who were the people there? and whoever these people, just because they were there first, can claim that this land is theirs? shall we just forget and ignore what is happening right now, the recent history and the people who are there right now? how far do we have to go back to determine rightful claim. shall we establish a cutoff period? do the american indians have the right to kick the whites and blacks out of north america? the portugese and spanish from south america? how bout the aborigines in australia? do the negritos have the right to remove you (yes, you the ruling malays) from the face of pinas? people, there was a time in history that nations were only its people, there were no land bounderies to speak of...people conquer people..you defeat them, you have the right on their resources..when foreign policy was the edge of the sword...right was paid with blood that the loser had to honor. just my 2 cents. good one. Let bike na lang. Just a headache ;D.
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