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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 4, 2007 12:41:09 GMT 8
this might be OT, but just wanna share anyway...... when i was a young boy, my late father told me that when i grow-up, there are two things that i should avoid discussion of.................... POLITICS and RELIGION which of course you didnt follow ;D i say you are a lot smarter than your dad.
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Post by kulot_salot on Sept 4, 2007 13:10:19 GMT 8
;D ;D ;D..I hope she wont get caught chasing another woman in the oval office . that would be sexy! a plus points to her though! ;D
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Post by schwinng on Sept 4, 2007 13:28:09 GMT 8
Jun, the Spaniards were in the Philippines for 300 some years then the Spanish-American War broke out (which was set up by the Americans by the way). They got Puerto Rico (still an American protectorate) and the Philippines(for $20 million) in the process. We thought, or our leaders thought that the Americans were our allies in the fight for independence from Spain, well they thought wrong. Instead of "liberators", we ended up having this "Philippine-American War" which is barely mentioned in the textbooks here and if it is mentioned, it's called an "insurrection" (I'm sure you've heard this word in a sentence along with Iraq). Well, this little war was a much bigger war than when the Americans fought the Spaniards, I'm not so sure but over 4,000 Americans lives lost and get this, according to some estimates as much as over 1 million Filipinos died. See any similarities? I'm sure we'll build schools and bridges and try to "Americanize" the Iraqis as well. But is that what the Iraqis really want? Should we call the Iraqis fighting in their country insurgents or "freedom fighters" like our Aguinaldo, Gregorio Del Pilar and etc.? I'd like to think the latter. I really can't imagine the U.S. being that arrogant or can I? I love America, I've been here for over 22 years and I've been "Americanized" in so many ways. But I disagree with a lot of things our present leaders have done in the past 6-7 years. Yes, America is the greatest country in the world. It's just sad that the current president doesn't match to the same billing.
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 4, 2007 14:41:33 GMT 8
Jun, the Spaniards were in the Philippines for 300 some years then the Spanish-American War broke out (which was set up by the Americans by the way). They got Puerto Rico (still an American protectorate) and the Philippines(for $20 million) in the process. We thought, or our leaders thought that the Americans were our allies in the fight for independence from Spain, well they thought wrong. Instead of "liberators", we ended up having this "Philippine-American War" which is barely mentioned in the textbooks here and if it is mentioned, it's called an "insurrection" (I'm sure you've heard this word in a sentence along with Iraq). Well, this little war was a much bigger war than when the Americans fought the Spaniards, I'm not so sure but over 4,000 Americans lives lost and get this, according to some estimates as much as over 1 million Filipinos died. See any similarities? I'm sure we'll build schools and bridges and try to "Americanize" the Iraqis as well. But is that what the Iraqis really want? Should we call the Iraqis fighting in their country insurgents or "freedom fighters" like our Aguinaldo, Gregorio Del Pilar and etc.? I'd like to think the latter. I really can't imagine the U.S. being that arrogant or can I? I love America, I've been here for over 22 years and I've been "Americanized" in so many ways. But I disagree with a lot of things our present leaders have done in the past 6-7 years. Yes, America is the greatest country in the world. It's just sad that the current president doesn't match to the same billing. korek... malevolent assimilation it is indeed...
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 4, 2007 14:51:52 GMT 8
guys, isang hirit na lang...here in the office we despise whiners...you know the type of peeps who present you with tons of problems with this and that but dont offer you at least a solution...anyway, i believe this discussion is all about US foreign policy..so my question again is if you were the president (or the US govnt for that matter) what would be your policy? opinyon ko lang, i believe that its an accepted fact that all the nations in the world have interests...thats not hard to understand right? me first before you right? lets not pretend that there is a single country in this world that will think first of the welfare of his neighbors than before its own coz thats BS..nope? can you name one? if you are a president or a leader of a country you are expected to protect those interests otherwise f#@k off...okay, so lets not waste time discussing that. its good that we have knowledge of our history but i believe we should not live in the past...the americans fought the english...the english fought against the french...english, french and americans fought side by side against the germans..japan attempted an empire..the germans tried to dominate the world....the americans almost exterminated the indians..babylonians, the crusades, persian empire, the mongols etc etc..things change, people change, leadership change, policies change, political conditions change...history repeats itself... yep, but i think a lot of people have a wrong interpretion it. if you know your history, this is the time that the world is living in "relative" peace..yes, conflicts here and there but no massive scale war...its been 62 years since ww2..did you know how many years in between ww1 and ww2? ...credit that to superpowers of our time. no organization will prosper without a leader..agree? dehins pwede lahat boss..we cannot be all moderators as much as we cannot be all just members...someone should take the helm and give the org direction...the world is one big group full of pasaways, they will not follow a leader without teeth..he must carry a big stick..and always ready to use it too if necessary...yes, i believe weapons are necessary..they maintain the balance. if the world is only one in spirit that we should love one another, that we are all brothers and sisters, that we are all equal and that we should respect each other...then its heaven...BUT ITS NOT ;( ...its the curse of mankind...we will live watching over our shoulders..sleeping with one eye open for the rest of time...lets accept that. just my opinion and hopefully my final take on this matter. peace everyone
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 4, 2007 15:15:06 GMT 8
guys, isang hirit na lang...here in the office we despise whiners...you know the type of peeps who present you with tons of problems with this and that but dont offer you at least a solution...anyway, i believe this discussion is all about US foreign policy..so my question again is if you were the president (or the US govnt for that matter) what would be your policy? opinyon ko lang, i believe that its an accepted fact that all the nations in the world have interests...thats not hard to understand right? me first before you right? lets not pretend that there is a single country in this world that will think first of the welfare of his neighbors than his own coz thats BS..no? can you name one? if you are a president of country you are expected to protect that interests otherwise f#@k off...ok so lets not waste time discussing that. its good that we have knowledge our history but i believe we should not live in the past...the americans fought the british...the english fought against the french...they fought side by side against the germans..japan attempted an empire..the germans tried to dominate the world....the americans almost exterminated the indians..babylonians, the crusades, persian empire, the mongols etc etc..things change, people change, leadership change, policies change, political conditions change...history repeats itself... yep, but i think a lot of people have a wrong interpretion it. if you know your history, this is the time that the world is living in "relative" peace..yes, conflicts here and there but no massive scale war...its been 62 years since ww2..did you know how many years in between ww1 adn ww2? ...credit that to superpowers of our time. no organization will prosper without a leader..agree? dehins pwede lahat boss..we cannot be all moderators as much as cannot be all just members...someone should take the helm and give the org direction...the world is one big group full of pasaways, they will not follow a leader without teeth..he must carry a big stick..and always ready to use it too if necessary...yes, i believe weapons are necessary..they maintain the balance. if the world is only one in spirit that we should love one another, that we are all brothers and sisters, that we are all equal and that we should respect each other...then its heaven...BUT ITS NOT ;( ...its the curse of mankind...we will live watching over our shoulders..sleeping with one eye open for the rest of time...accept that. just my opinion and hopefully my final take on this matter. peace everyone if i am the president? i will not be as malevolent as they are... we can live in harmony by not trying to be supreme with the others... for no shall claim superiority... give other countries their right to self determination and not going over them thinking that what have worked for us will also work for them...
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Post by kulot_salot on Sept 4, 2007 15:35:45 GMT 8
if i am the president? i will not be as malevolent as they are... we can live in harmony by not trying to be supreme with the others... for no shall claim superiority... give other countries their right to self determination and not going over them thinking that what have worked for us will also work for them... i think everybody sincerely tried, but miserably failed. it's just too easy to say... very sad...
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 4, 2007 16:24:05 GMT 8
if i am the president? i will not be as malevolent as they are... we can live in harmony by not trying to be supreme with the others... for no shall claim superiority... give other countries their right to self determination and not going over them thinking that what have worked for us will also work for them... i think everybody sincerely tried, but miserably failed. it's just too easy to say... very sad... ya right brother... we must always try to be peaceful. respectful. down to earth. self determined. humble. ako ang tipo mong lalaki (trans: PEACE!)
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Post by schwinng on Sept 4, 2007 21:55:40 GMT 8
I guess it's asking for too much to be peaceful, to be humble nowadays. I guess some of us are just too much of an idealists that we believe that it might be possible to live without a bully or bullies to lespu the world. And it's sad that some countries in the world have accepted that fact. History does repeat itself, things happening in the present is not something new--it's always because of economics, "liberation" from dictators--it's for one's self selfish interest. My qualm is the lies after lies the current leadership here have told the American people in order to get to the present dilemma we are in now. Iraq had absolutely "nothing" to do with 9/11. Al Qaeda is stronger than ever and we're bogged down figthing the wrong war. I think the "war on terror" is a justified war just like us going into WWII, I just hate when our leaders try to mislead its people. I just want to fight the "right" war. So if I was the president, I'd still be in the Pakistan/Afghanistan border hunting down Osama, not in Iraq. But seriously if it was up to me, I'd rather see the world free of violence, unfortunately you're right LaMok we don't live in heaven. I guess time for me to wake up and stop dreaming. I just wish our leaders would do the same. Peace brothers! Let's ride!
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 21:59:34 GMT 8
Jun, the Spaniards were in the Philippines for 300 some years then the Spanish-American War broke out (which was set up by the Americans by the way). They got Puerto Rico (still an American protectorate) and the Philippines(for $20 million) in the process. We thought, or our leaders thought that the Americans were our allies in the fight for independence from Spain, well they thought wrong. Instead of "liberators", we ended up having this "Philippine-American War" which is barely mentioned in the textbooks here and if it is mentioned, it's called an "insurrection" (I'm sure you've heard this word in a sentence along with Iraq). Well, this little war was a much bigger war than when the Americans fought the Spaniards, I'm not so sure but over 4,000 Americans lives lost and get this, according to some estimates as much as over 1 million Filipinos died. See any similarities? I'm sure we'll build schools and bridges and try to "Americanize" the Iraqis as well. But is that what the Iraqis really want? Should we call the Iraqis fighting in their country insurgents or "freedom fighters" like our Aguinaldo, Gregorio Del Pilar and etc.? I'd like to think the latter. I really can't imagine the U.S. being that arrogant or can I? I love America, I've been here for over 22 years and I've been "Americanized" in so many ways. But I disagree with a lot of things our present leaders have done in the past 6-7 years. Yes, America is the greatest country in the world. It's just sad that the current president doesn't match to the same billing. I have reads some of the Philippine history when I was younger. But is it better after Spanish regime? Look what happen after 10 years independence of Philippines. Pinas used to be respected in Asia during early 1900 and just after the war. But what happen now? Do you still wish the American presence is better? Iraq was totally different. The Iraq govt as been created. The US fighting with mostly anti American most of the them are Al Queda. The mess going on in Iraq are creating a fanatics between the two Religions. Also as you know Ambar province is been quit since the residence been feed up with torture of foreign fighters who are not belong to that province. They join the Americans to fight them back. This is just recently..I hope this will continue in the other areas. Did you remember Germany after ww2. Is almost similar happening in Iraq. If not mistaken Germany took them almost 10 years before established.
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 22:01:49 GMT 8
guys, isang hirit na lang...here in the office we despise whiners...you know the type of peeps who present you with tons of problems with this and that but dont offer you at least a solution...anyway, i believe this discussion is all about US foreign policy..so my question again is if you were the president (or the US govnt for that matter) what would be your policy? opinyon ko lang, i believe that its an accepted fact that all the nations in the world have interests...thats not hard to understand right? me first before you right? lets not pretend that there is a single country in this world that will think first of the welfare of his neighbors than his own coz thats BS..nope? can you name one? if you are a president of a country you are expected to protect those interests otherwise f#@k off...okay, so lets not waste time discussing that. its good that we have knowledge of our history but i believe we should not live in the past...the americans fought the english...the english fought against the french...english, french and americans fought side by side against the germans..japan attempted an empire..the germans tried to dominate the world....the americans almost exterminated the indians..babylonians, the crusades, persian empire, the mongols etc etc..things change, people change, leadership change, policies change, political conditions change...history repeats itself... yep, but i think a lot of people have a wrong interpretion it. if you know your history, this is the time that the world is living in "relative" peace..yes, conflicts here and there but no massive scale war...its been 62 years since ww2..did you know how many years in between ww1 adn ww2? ...credit that to superpowers of our time. no organization will prosper without a leader..agree? dehins pwede lahat boss..we cannot be all moderators as much as cannot be all just members...someone should take the helm and give the org direction...the world is one big group full of pasaways, they will not follow a leader without teeth..he must carry a big stick..and always ready to use it too if necessary...yes, i believe weapons are necessary..they maintain the balance. if the world is only one in spirit that we should love one another, that we are all brothers and sisters, that we are all equal and that we should respect each other...then its heaven...BUT ITS NOT ;( ...its the curse of mankind...we will live watching over our shoulders..sleeping with one eye open for the rest of time...accept that. just my opinion and hopefully my final take on this matter. peace everyone Thumbs up...totally agree.
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 22:13:01 GMT 8
Ok boys..good discussion. Lets ride na lang. We cant resolve this issue of our own. DOn Facundo -nice argument. I respect you as a fellow PinoyMTBiker brother . Cook your specialty when I go home . Pedro - I will see you tomorrow. Dont mentioned anything about Democrat to Derek. He is more conservative ;D. LaMok -good perspective. Sir Arci..yap. just a headache talking about it. We just let it ride. And the rest...happy riding folks..
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Post by allegra on Sept 4, 2007 22:19:36 GMT 8
Just curious , what WMD did the US sell Iraq to fight Iran? Nerve gas? The WMD Iraq possessed were biological weapons not nukes What Weapons of Mass Destruction are you guys talking about?
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 22:25:56 GMT 8
Just curious , what WMD did the US sell Iraq to fight Iran? Nerve gas? The WMD Iraq possessed were biological weapons not nukes What Weapons of Mass Destruction are you guys talking about? WMD is broad name of weapons would kill in hundreds in one try.
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Post by allegra on Sept 4, 2007 22:41:12 GMT 8
Just curious , what WMD did the US sell Iraq to fight Iran? Nerve gas? The WMD Iraq possessed were biological weapons not nukes What Weapons of Mass Destruction are you guys talking about? WMD is broad name of weapons would kill in hundreds in one try. hehe yup I know that fafa But Israel and the US were concerned about the biological weapons Iraq possessed , not nukes ( arabs dont have nuclear capability yet ) I just learned from this thread the US sold these bio weapons pala to Iraq for the /Iraq/Iran war ! ummm....huh??
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 22:57:36 GMT 8
WMD is broad name of weapons would kill in hundreds in one try. hehe yup I know that fafa But Israel and the US were concerned about the biological weapons Iraq possessed , not nukes ( arabs dont have nuclear capability yet ) I just learned from this thread the US sold these bio weapons pala to Iraq for the /Iraq/Iran war ! ummm....huh?? hehehehe..dehins ko natapos (didnt finish)my pc rebooted. Yes..the US sold to Iraq during Iran/Iraq war to counter Iran doing during that war. Without those weapons, Iraq could be control by Iran right now. US, UN, Russia, france and some top countries knew this weapons. But they dont know what happens. Lots of news been move to Syria 3 weeks before the invasion but no real facts.
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Post by allegra on Sept 4, 2007 23:23:16 GMT 8
hehe yup I know that fafa But Israel and the US were concerned about the biological weapons Iraq possessed , not nukes ( arabs dont have nuclear capability yet ) I just learned from this thread the US sold these bio weapons pala to Iraq for the /Iraq/Iran war ! ummm....huh?? hehehehe..dehins ko natapos (didnt finish)my pc rebooted. Yes..the US sold to Iraq during Iran/Iraq war to counter Iran doing during that war. Without those weapons, Iraq could be control by Iran right now. US, UN, Russia, france and some top countries knew this weapons. But they dont know what happens. Lots of news been move to Syria 3 weeks before the invasion but no real facts. I didnt even know the US produced biological weapons let alone selling it to 3rd world despots
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Post by bikedaddy on Sept 4, 2007 23:35:49 GMT 8
I'll just let history judge George W. Bush and the war he waged. During Lincoln's presidency, his policies were not popular too, but because he then thought that those will be for the greater good of the next generation of Americans, he stood by those policies. Who would have thought then that the American Civil War was a "right" war? It ended slavery lang naman. GWB may not be smart, but he has character, "decisive" sabi nga ni allegra. He doesn't care if a policy is unpopular. If that was Clinton? He would have chosen a policy that is "politically correct", the one that big media loves. When Clinton was president, the CIA had their sights already on OBL while he was to travel back to Afghanistan from Sudan. They could have shot down his jet over Sudan, unfortunately, he did not give the authorization Why? It might offend daw Islamic Nations, what an a$$!....and he really wanted that Nobel Peace prize from that failed Israeli-Palestinian peace talk. GWB saw the rise of radical islam and recognized that they already declared war on civilization. He believes that now is the moment of engagement so America responded. Brace yourselves for the next Hundred-year War.... that was just an understatement.
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 23:40:10 GMT 8
hehehehe..dehins ko natapos (didnt finish)my pc rebooted. Yes..the US sold to Iraq during Iran/Iraq war to counter Iran doing during that war. Without those weapons, Iraq could be control by Iran right now. US, UN, Russia, france and some top countries knew this weapons. But they dont know what happens. Lots of news been move to Syria 3 weeks before the invasion but no real facts. I didnt even know the US produced biological weapons let alone selling it to 3rd world despots Not mistaken they stop producing them in late 70's with agreement with pact with other countries specially Russia.
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 23:54:01 GMT 8
I'll just let history judge George W. Bush and the war he waged. During Lincoln's presidency, his policies were not popular too, but because he then thought that they will be for the greater good of the next generation of Americans, he stood by those policies. Who would have thought then that the American Civil War was a "right" war? It ended slavery lang naman. GWB may not be smart, but he has character, "decisive" sabi nga ni allegra. He doesn't care if a policy is unpopular. If that was Clinton? He would have chosen a policy that is "politically correct", the one that big media loves. When Clinton was president, the CIA had their sights already on OBL while he was to travel back to Afghanistan from Sudan. They could have shot down his jet over Sudan, unfortunately, he did not give the authorization Why? It might offend daw Islamic Nations, what an a$$!....and he really wanted that Nobel Peace price from that failed Israeli-Palestinian peace talk. GWB saw the rise of radical islam and recognized that they already declared war on civilization. He believes that now is the moment of engagement so America responded. Brace yourselves for the next Hundred-year War.... that was just an understatement. Papa.. ;D ;D ;D ;D we are in same page. Thats true about OBL. Sudan offer to Clinton Admin at that time but as you said "might offended the Islamic Nations. After attacking and bombing American interest overseas. He authorized lunching 2 cruise missile in Afghanistan to show he was doing a counter attack. But Afghanistan is a big country probably killed lots of camel with those missiles landed on the ground ;D. As I mentioned on the other thread. This should not happen if Carter did a better job then. But that is past and we deal what we have right now..I hope peach will be come a long.
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Post by schwinng on Sept 5, 2007 1:08:16 GMT 8
I like this, it's clear who's conservative and who's to the left. The American Civil War didn't end slavery, in fact Abe Lincoln didn't care about other states holding slaves, he cared more about preserving the Union. The South was segregated all the way to the Civil Rights Movement in the '60's, and half of the African-American population there still worked on fields and lived in sub-standard conditions. We are gradually moving in a more "harmonious" society. George W. and his cronies wanted to shape the world in their "American" point of view. They're nothing but "hawks" who craves violence and will give it to nations not agreeing with "their" policy. Thank God to our "checks and balances" form of government, we're not mired in a deeper mess. Again the question is why are we putting most or all of our resources in Iraq when the problem was Al Qaeda in the first place? I'd be a Bush fan(gulp, aaaggghhhhh) if he had done this and not misled his people. Lies after lies, at least Lincoln told the people he could care less about the slaves, he just wanted to preserve the Union, free the slaves or not.
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Post by schwinng on Sept 5, 2007 1:14:41 GMT 8
OK, if G.W. has "character" and very decisive why just Iraq? Why not Iran? Even Pakistan or Indonesia? Heck why not all the Islamic nations I'm sure they have "radical" subjects? While we're at it let's go for our long time nemesis Castro and Cuba? North Korea? Even Chavez and Venezuela. We'll make the whole world "American"!
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Post by allegra on Sept 5, 2007 1:30:52 GMT 8
OK, if G.W. has "character" and very decisive why just Iraq? Why not Iran? Even Pakistan or Indonesia? Heck why not all the Islamic nations I'm sure they have "radical" subjects? While we're at it let's go for our long time nemesis Castro and Cuba? North Korea? Even Chavez and Venezuela. We'll make the whole world "American"! you just lost me there the US is not at war w/ islam Unfortunately for the iraqis , their homeland became the battleground betweem AQ and the US Anyway , who started this mess? Who flew those jets into bldgs?
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Post by jr on Sept 5, 2007 2:26:35 GMT 8
I like this, it's clear who's conservative and who's to the left. The American Civil War didn't end slavery, in fact Abe Lincoln didn't care about other states holding slaves, he cared more about preserving the Union. The South was segregated all the way to the Civil Rights Movement in the '60's, and half of the African-American population there still worked on fields and lived in sub-standard conditions. We are gradually moving in a more "harmonious" society. George W. and his cronies wanted to shape the world in their "American" point of view. They're nothing but "hawks" who craves violence and will give it to nations not agreeing with "their" policy. Thank God to our "checks and balances" form of government, we're not mired in a deeper mess. Again the question is why are we putting most or all of our resources in Iraq when the problem was Al Qaeda in the first place? I'd be a Bush fan(gulp, aaaggghhhhh) if he had done this and not misled his people. Lies after lies, at least Lincoln told the people he could care less about the slaves, he just wanted to preserve the Union, free the slaves or not. Pedro..what are Bush lied about? Everything he did was on the US policy.
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Post by schwinng on Sept 5, 2007 2:39:18 GMT 8
OK, if G.W. has "character" and very decisive why just Iraq? Why not Iran? Even Pakistan or Indonesia? Heck why not all the Islamic nations I'm sure they have "radical" subjects? While we're at it let's go for our long time nemesis Castro and Cuba? North Korea? Even Chavez and Venezuela. We'll make the whole world "American"! you just lost me there the US is not at war w/ islam Unfortunately for the iraqis , their homeland became the battleground betweem AQ and the US Anyway , who started this mess? Who flew those jets into bldgs?
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Post by schwinng on Sept 5, 2007 2:47:55 GMT 8
@ Allegra, Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda...why are we there? Did Osama say ok Bush let's play football in Iraq, let's make Iraq our playground? And Osama was created by the U.S. back when he was with the other mujahedins fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. The U.S. needs to realize that not everybody will buy the "American" policy. The cultures are too varied, same goes with religion and or race. If the U.S. wants everyone to abide by their policy, open the borders and welcome people that wants to come here. We can't just go to any country and impose our will. The jets were flown by Al Qaeda, not Saddam or any Iraqis for that matter. We didn't need to be in Iraq. jun, 1st G.W. said Iraq had WMDs there were none, then he made it into Liberating people of Iraq, they are not liberated, things are going well in Iraq, they are not, we're winning the war on terrorism, I don't think so--in fact we've created more radicals because of G.W.'s actions. Peace brothers gotta go to lunch! Ride on!
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Post by jr on Sept 5, 2007 4:34:04 GMT 8
@ Allegra, Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda...why are we there? Did Osama say ok Bush let's play football in Iraq, let's make Iraq our playground? And Osama was created by the U.S. back when he was with the other mujahedins fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. The U.S. needs to realize that not everybody will buy the "American" policy. The cultures are too varied, same goes with religion and or race. If the U.S. wants everyone to abide by their policy, open the borders and welcome people that wants to come here. We can't just go to any country and impose our will. The jets were flown by Al Qaeda, not Saddam or any Iraqis for that matter. We didn't need to be in Iraq. jun, 1st G.W. said Iraq had WMDs there were none, then he made it into Liberating people of Iraq, they are not liberated, things are going well in Iraq, they are not, we're winning the war on terrorism, I don't think so--in fact we've created more radicals because of G.W.'s actions. Peace brothers gotta go to lunch! Ride on! OBL didnt train by the American. The American trained the Afghan Mujahadeens who fought against Russian and Taliban. They also help during Iraq 1st war. OBL Mujahadeens are mostly foreigners. Actually OBL paid the cameraman to carry out assassination of the Afghan Mujahadeens leader who was very loyal to the US. If only the 8 years of intel from Clinton admin and 7 months from the Bush Admin are accurate the war should not happen. Again top countries even the useless UN knew they had WMD. Think positive..peace will happen. The problem is the two religious faction are fighting. This outlaws in both side are being created by Al Qaeda in Iraq. If you read some articles on the Kurd's region. There economy are booming and peaceful. They thanks for the Americans. If the Iraq war will be resolved the Democrat have nothing to politicize against the Republican. Look at all the newspapers and on tv. If a American soldiers died it shows front page. Anti American in Iraq also using these as there advantage to show to American people that the war is getting worse. How about in New York who had at least 5 people died everyday never post on the news. Look the reports for Iraq are due next week (I think). This report about the surge of soldiers last June. This surge are authorized by Bush admin to secure Bagdad outlaws and the democrats totally oppose it. They even voted for the rejection of military surge. There are already coming out from the Democrat side that the benchmark didnt not met. In fact they even saying the military whose in charge are being dictate by the Bush admin what to say and even a secret meeting instead live on tv ;D. Everyone knows that the surge have a big improvement in Bagdad. Not only that not a lot of news regards soldier dying, and bombing compare in the last 5 months. I'm hoping a peace will come.
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Post by jr on Sept 5, 2007 4:55:47 GMT 8
Another thing..is lying in US Constitution is a impeachable offense? Why the Democrat controlled Congress and Senate not propose an impeachment if really Bush did something wrong against US Constitution? Same thing did the Republican to Bill Clinton during his admistration.
As Democrat Sen. Kennedy said " lie after lie after lie" ;D ;D ;D.
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Post by schwinng on Sept 5, 2007 5:03:25 GMT 8
Peace will come and no more American lives will be lost when we send our troops home. I SUPPORT THE TROOPS, SEND THEM BACK HOME! Jun, I know Bush is just doing his duty, unfortunately, he's just plain wrong and arrogant about many things. I was mad when we got attacked on 9/11, but going to war should always be the last resort. I remember how Bush was "itching" to go to Iraq when some of his knowledgeable commanders were advising him not to. When he did, they told him what they needed and he and Rumsfeld(thank God he's gone!) played it down, that's why we're in such a mess! You agree we're in a mess right? This country could sure use the money being spent on Iraq. And the overstretched military will compromise our own abilities to protect ourselves. So big surge in Iraq? That only means less soldiers to protect this country.
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