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Post by Ben Dover on May 18, 2006 16:26:18 GMT 8
Guys - question lang ... I heard the good news on AM radio (radio630) yesterday that Mr. Leo Oracion was the first Pinoy to reach the summit. However, after a few minutes after the interview with the crew there, someone (I think the wife) called to say that a certain Dale - also Pinoy - reached the summit also last May 15... I know everyone is saying that it is not really important who was first... but for the record sino ba talaga ang first? maybe that guy who works for BJMP (?) claiming he summit mt. everest in 2002. ;D
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Post by mountguitars on May 18, 2006 16:28:08 GMT 8
sherpas kick %^#;D
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 17:04:11 GMT 8
just a PM i received over at YM after i informed a friend about the pinoy-everest-issue:
B25: yeah the sherpas do it ALL THE TIME B25: i mean they probably went up there first. B25: hahaha B25:and they aren't pansies like the rest of the climbers that they hook up (with)
LOL.
is it just me or are prude responses funny? and people tell me to lighten up. hehehe.
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Post by nightcrawler on May 18, 2006 17:12:34 GMT 8
Guys - question lang ... I heard the good news on AM radio (radio630) yesterday that Mr. Leo Oracion was the first Pinoy to reach the summit. However, after a few minutes after the interview with the crew there, someone (I think the wife) called to say that a certain Dale - also Pinoy - reached the summit also last May 15... I know everyone is saying that it is not really important who was first... but for the record sino ba talaga ang first? Leo was the first to summit. Dale has no experience in high altitude mountaineering. They don't accept guys who have no prior experience in this disipline because it's very dangerous. Congrat's to Leo and Pastor! Let's pray Romy have a successful bid also. I've climbed with him on an explo at Sierra Madre Ranges on a project by Levi Nayahangan ( FPMEE member). If does this he's the only Filipino to climb 2 of the 14 8000 meters peak coveted by many of top mountaineers of the world.Before he went to Cho Oyu I ask him why didn't join the FPMEE...hehe... he said they lots of politics invovle in that group... Sir Dirtrat you know your climbers well...May I add that Jean Christophe Lafaille also climb Gasherbrum I & II one after another solo without suplemental oxygen both 8000 meters peak...
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Post by stormloader on May 18, 2006 22:22:24 GMT 8
I just hope that the bigwigs and working stiffs at ABSCBN don't gloat about their "victory" or take some credit for it coz that would really suck out the feeling.
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Post by Patrick on May 18, 2006 22:30:20 GMT 8
Wait isnt it the gma7 news trained somewhat with these guys before going to everest? how can abs cbn pop out later on?
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Post by anshwa on May 19, 2006 1:03:07 GMT 8
Wow, interesting posts. Let give my opinion on certain points raised in the thread. 1. Sherpas who reach the summit are credited. Tenzing Norgay being one of them - and there are a lot. Read climbing magazines & you'll see this. 2. Sherpas who porter supplies only get to basecamp - w/ the exception of a few who are in fact members of a team to summit (so different story). 3. Until recently, Sherpas actually give climbing teams a hard time during the approach to basecamp as they tend to re-negotiate the agreed fees. Sounds to me it's a business move more than oppression being tolerated. But as far as I know they have a standard fee now as the government has regularized climbing in Nepal. 4. The Philippine Team has trained for the climb. Romi Garduce also trained for the summit bid. It is very amazing however that he funded his own training climbs prior to this bid - Huge Props to the guy. And his goal? Whoa! He's the man. 5. Dale Abenojar's camp has been making unconfirmed reports. You guys might want to check www.mounteverest.net for updates on summit bids, accomplishments & failures. 6. I know several team members in the Philippine Everest Team & have climbed with them. They train just as hard, if not harder, as anyone who makes a bid to grab Everest. Bottomline, let's not downplay the accomplishments of our Filipino brothers by finding a way to insert "oppression" of Sherpas (no offense meant, joes. this is in general) or any other controversies in the story of these individuals' bids for the peak. Mabuhay tayong lahat.
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Post by the D. on May 19, 2006 1:17:07 GMT 8
i want to see Jigi gettin jigi at the summit with abner hehehe
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Post by kulot_salot on May 19, 2006 7:55:44 GMT 8
not that i'm lambasting dale abenojar here, but the guy's ego & attitude precedes his name... you can ask the up mountaineers or halcon mountaineering society (halms) regarding his infamous climb of mount halcon with them... if you remember he is the one who is asking the phil govt for support for his 1990's everest climb, i think he sold fvr the idea and the fed (MFPI) w/ other groups make fvr think otherwise...
another, the bjmp guys info that he purportedly climbed everest was just sensationalism in the part of journalist, may i say the 1 who first interviewed him, ABS-CBN... it was corrected by the other network and many other networks, then abs-cbn changed their report... he climbed ISLAND PEAK, a neighboring peak of everest... it is usually a training peak for the 8,000-meter giants, but it's still 6,000-meters tall... so credit is given to him in climbing island peak, i dont know if he's the first though...
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Post by kulot_salot on May 19, 2006 8:06:11 GMT 8
Everest wrap-up as of 09:34 am EST May 18, 2006: from www.mounteverest.netEverest South Romi Garduce: News expected There is still no news on Filipino Romi Garduce. However, Fabrica Imparata (34), a member of the "Friendship" team Romi is leading, summited this morning along with Dawa Chhiri Sherpa.
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Post by kulot_salot on May 19, 2006 8:07:21 GMT 8
i want to see Jigi gettin jigi at the summit with abner hehehe
hahahaha... that would be a sight to behold...... ;D
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Post by kulot_salot on May 19, 2006 8:09:13 GMT 8
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Post by kulot_salot on May 19, 2006 8:13:18 GMT 8
Wait isnt it the gma7 news trained somewhat with these guys before going to everest? how can abs cbn pop out later on? ok... here's an info: romi is scheduled to climb everest this year... as per his blog and his peers... he can even do the climb without sponsorship from THE NORTH FACE and GMA7... sponsorship is just icing in the cake... romi has been climbing internationally (alpine mountains) since late 1990's... the FPMEE* that includes leo & erwin have been conceptualized in 2003 only... their ultimate goal is to summit everest in 2007... ok, here's the deal... read between the lines....*FPMEE - FIRST PHILIPPINE MOUNT EVEREST EXPEDITION
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Post by dirtrat on May 19, 2006 9:35:03 GMT 8
Wait isnt it the gma7 news trained somewhat with these guys before going to everest? how can abs cbn pop out later on? ABS-CBN is the first to announce their suport of the climbing expedition then its the gma7 pop out later on hehehe Romi Garduce's goal is to climb the 7SUMMITS (7 highest peak in 7 continents) hes been doing this since the 90's thru the help of climb for a cause foundation (he did the aconcagua of south america kilimanjaro of africa the third should be elbrus in antartica or irayan jaya or punjak jaya in oceana (thats more resoanable becoz of funding) when he climb anconcagua and his first 8000ners cho oyu he is being sponsored by TNF na. no GMA7 TNF sponsorship before..... romi grab the sponsorship (gma7) and do the everest (oportunity yon becoz of equiptment and funding from gma7) 2003 FPMEE is forrmed and majorly sponsored by TNF?? and ABS CBN TNF withdraw their sponsorship from FPMEE or nag back out ang FPMEE sa TNF kaya naging COLEMAN ang equiptment ng FPMEE (cant confirm this) thats the time the tv networks and OUTDOOR outfitters race to the top begins.. about dale naman ....i dont like what he did sa grassland ng pulag before mountaineers heres knows about it.... MABUHAY SI ROMI MABUHAY SI LEO MABUHAY SI ERWIN MABUHAY LANG LAHAT NG PINOY SUMITTEERS BERG HAILL!!!!!!
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Post by kulot_salot on May 19, 2006 11:01:41 GMT 8
ABS-CBN is the first to announce their suport of the climbing expedition then its the gma7 pop out later on hehehe 2003 FPMEE is forrmed and majorly sponsored by TNF?? and ABS CBN TNF withdraw their sponsorship from FPMEE or nag back out ang FPMEE sa TNF kaya naging COLEMAN ang equiptment ng FPMEE (cant confirm this) abs-cbn's sponsorship of the FPMEE then (2003) was hilaw (raw) not full... i think they (abs-cbn) are playing safe then, testing the water, if the team has the ability to pull this off in 2007... so i think abs-cbn's sponsorship is by coverage only & a handful of cash that will make-by for their training... FPMEE withdraw themselves from TNF's sponsorship knowing that TNF also is supporting Romy for everest this year... it should be the other way around... this is confirmed issue from a very reputable source with evidence... without TNF's sponsorship FPMEE project of climbing everest this year will not push thru, so they scampered around looking for sponsors to make this 2006 climb... Coleman is part sponsor of FPMEE with TNF then...
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Post by dirtrat on May 19, 2006 11:29:23 GMT 8
hehehhe your right sir jaymz FPMEE tents are TNF its good FPMEE did not get the full sponsorship of Both outfitters sometimes they wear local brands like lagalag and bombproof and sandugo also....
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Post by the D. on May 19, 2006 11:29:55 GMT 8
who's sponsoring dale? samsonite perhaps?
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Post by jovellcheng on May 19, 2006 11:57:26 GMT 8
[glow=yellow,2,300]And what's up with ABS-CBN and GMA rivalry over who's gonna be first at the summit?
Are they implying competition among our fellowmen for the sake of their F@#kin' coverage???
F@#kin' blood suckers!!![/glow]
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 19, 2006 13:44:53 GMT 8
south side climbers turn back
On Everest south side, Alpine Ascents turned back somewhere around the Balcony, their BC dispatched: "Mission aborted! I just got the call from Dave that the team turned around about 12:30 and they are now climbing into their sleeping bags back at the South Col. Dave says there was still quite a bit of wind and blowing snow, and a big lenticular cloud forming over the summit. Other teams are apparently still going up but our team decided to play it safe and call it a night. So we are now going to get some sleep for the rest of the night and re-evaluate for another summit attempt tomorrow night." Once they reach the Balcony, about 2 hours climb from camp 4, Everest climbers are unprotected by the wall and bad weather becomes more noticable. Other climbers on tonight's Everest south side push include one team from Adventure Consultants and Filipino climber Romi Garduce. But as of 8:10 this morning AC Team has reached the summit, just hope Romi is not far behind and well. He expects to reach the summit at around 2 p.m. local time on May 19......
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Post by king on May 19, 2006 14:01:30 GMT 8
congratulations to romi garduce! third filipino in as many days to summit mt everest!
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 19, 2006 15:19:58 GMT 8
Everest south: Romi makes it - a 1-2-3 finish for Filipinos! 03:17 am EST May 19, 2006 Romi Garduce is on the summit of Everest, according to gmanews.tv. That's the third confirmed summit for the Philippines this year - which started with a zero!
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Post by Ben Dover on May 19, 2006 16:06:44 GMT 8
next year first pinay naman...then first gay.
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Post by nightcrawler on May 19, 2006 16:31:26 GMT 8
not that i'm lambasting dale abenojar here, but the guy's ego & attitude precedes his name... you can ask the up mountaineers or halcon mountaineering society (halms) regarding his infamous climb of mount halcon with them... if you remember he is the one who is asking the phil govt for support for his 1990's everest climb, i think he sold fvr the idea and the fed (MFPI) w/ other groups make fvr think otherwise... Ok i'll confirm this...Unfortunately this is all true. I've heard he had a hard time climbing halcon. He went down but when somebody ask him why he did not finish the climb... he said he's companions were too slow. I did not have the chance to climb with him for he was from an earlier batch. But a fellow UPM told me this story...Also he is expelled from UPM for (i think) conduct unbecoming of a mountaineer. Halcon is no way near Everest....so its up to you guys....i'll leave it at that.
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Post by sabretooth on May 19, 2006 16:44:02 GMT 8
Three Pinoys in Three Days! Wow. We better start sending some people to the moon...si GMA perhaps? hah! Nothing Pinoys can't do now!
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Post by stormloader on May 19, 2006 18:04:09 GMT 8
Hey guys, We all know the Filipino expedition is not a race but somehow it was pitched that way during the event's early goings (even Oracion and Emata acknowledged this because of the involvement of the two rival networks). I've been monitoring this the past few weeks (not close enough though, as it turns out) like most of you but i'm not aware of the inside scoop and backstories. I ask this question without malice but simply out of curiosity: How come Romi came in last among the three of them? Did he or did he not actually start scaling the mountain earlier than Oracion and Emata? (he was the first to arrive there tama?) Is this a case of the two being stronger and faster, or perhaps more aggressive and determined climbers compared to Romi? Or the two heads are simply better than one? (obviously they went solo eventually to ensure better success, accordingly) OR Did Romi actually bide his time, played it cool (pun intended) and not rushed into it because it really wasn't a race for him? Or a case of bad breaks and bum judgement? I think I caught Mari Kaimo in NewsCentral asking the ABSCBN reporter in Everest exactly the same thing: how come Romi was over-taken by Oracion, and eventualy Emata (Or is this really the case?) Like most of you I am real proud of our climbers too. it's just a bit off how the network wars have milked this whole thing. However I must commend GMA7 for their seemingly magnanimous and partial coverage and reportage even after their bet was "trounced" by his compatriots. (But secretly I was betting for Romi hehe )
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Post by kulot_salot on May 19, 2006 18:47:07 GMT 8
How come Romi came in last among the three of them? - i think they had a POWOW session ,i think, who's goin to go first...my opinion lang... like what i have posted earlier, neither camps are confirming this a race, but for FPMEE i think its otherwise & i got proof... ;D
Did he or did he not actually start scaling the mountain earlier than Oracion and Emata? (he was the first to arrive there tama?) -i think from the news when they said they're climbing to c2 or c3, people might think its the climb proper, but its not, its only a acclimatization program for the real climb... so, leo went ahead (sunday) tailing the sherpas laying ropes so he was the first to get to the summit...
Is this a case of the two being stronger and faster, or perhaps more aggressive and determined climbers compared to Romi? -yes, in a way they're the more aggressive group because they have everything to lose, for example the name of the group: first phil mt. everest expedition, if romi get to summit first, then their group name is moot...
Or the two heads are simply better than one? (obviously they went solo eventually to ensure better success, accordingly) - that's art valdez's call to make 2 separate attempts...
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Did Romi actually bide his time, played it cool (pun intended) and not rushed into it because it really wasn't a race for him? -no comment on that, i have no idea..., but i'd like to think they had a POWOW session to agree on whose to go first...
Or a case of bad breaks and bum judgement? -no comment on that, i have no idea...
I think I caught Mari Kaimo in NewsCentral asking the ABSCBN reporter in Everest exactly the same thing: how come Romi was over-taken by Oracion, and eventualy Emata (Or is this really the case?) -let me put it this way... butch sebastian (fyi: husband of sen. pia cayetano), he's siding with the FPMEE, have been quoted saying "its definitely a race...", so i think that says it all.
cheers to all!
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Post by anshwa on May 20, 2006 0:14:44 GMT 8
I guess networks (who have all the money) having to exploit such pursuits of excellence into a money-making endeavor is a sad reality. It is a necessary evil for "sports" like alpine climbing, rock climbing, xc mtb, downhill mtb, dirt jumping, trials, etc., etc. become accepted by the public as "legitimate" and not "stunt" sports. That's the thing... The FPMEE did not only put the first Filipinos on top of the roof of the world but also opened the doors to a possible public acceptance of such a pursuit - giving the "sport" more doors to sponsorships of like activities. Now... if only we could have a breakthrough in downhill mountain biking... hehe, sorry sa mga xc, biased e. FILIPINOS ON TOP OF MT. EVEREST! WE RULE!!!
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Post by dirtrat on May 22, 2006 9:56:50 GMT 8
ROMI came in first sa base camp but the gma7 crew who will cover the climb itself came late...thats why romi summits last thats opinion ....definitely a race network race...
on dales side .....did he really reach the summit??.....even everest basecamp (tibet side cant confirm this) why he had to drag his sherpa (guide) all the way to kathmandu to prove his claim?? ....
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Post by PT on May 22, 2006 10:10:25 GMT 8
it was really me who reached the summit first ..then i rode my bike all the way down ..! i was wearing a white jacket so they probably didnt notice me..
there goes my confession ...
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Post by Ben Dover on May 22, 2006 10:38:21 GMT 8
in this season so far 4 sherpas dead..1 briton dead ( went up without the aid of a sherpa) and 1 swedish missing after attempting to ski all the way down from the top...meron pa ba yan napanuod ko sa tv last week. the pinoys really did well...hanga talaga ako..first attempt pasok agad..walang aray hehe!
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