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Post by konablack on Feb 13, 2006 17:40:21 GMT 8
We all know that a succesful trick depends on the oneness of the rider and the ride (the bike)...
So if you're not able to succesfully control your bike, you're unable to perfectly execute a trick..
A friend of mine told me that in order to do a succesful trick is to reduce the weight of the bike and the knowledge on how to execute the trick.
How to reduce the weight of the bike?
First is to remove the parts that you don't need like the extra chainring or the shifters that you don't use anymore, another thing is if you would like to convert your ride to single speed, do it, it's a good choice for urban assaulters as far as I've observed...
Second is to choose a particular kind of tire, and that is the folding tire, Archie showed me the difference bet. a folding tire and a normal one but disadvantage is the strength of the tire...
Lastly is the tube, a good fit would do but the extra size is an added weight to your rig, for example your tire size is 2.35 and your tube size is 2.5, this is added weight, so if you could find a matching tube to your tire is a good one...
One extra tip is to find the classic japan parts of old shimano bikes in japan, they look old and outdated but they could take a lot of beating and is very light...
so the credit goes to Archie and Bryan, my fellas out in Bacood, thanks for a night of good' ol conversation...
kris
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Post by alien_scream on Feb 13, 2006 17:52:52 GMT 8
i think i would go agains this!!!! look at robbie bourbon!!!! he's a big dude but he could do tricks!!!!!! and for the bike!!!! you will never sacrifice weight for strength!!!!!! like foldable tires!!!!! yeah its light but it wears out faster!!!!!! and it crimps more on jumps!!!!!
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Post by Lance_R_evo on Feb 13, 2006 22:13:30 GMT 8
Jeff Lenosky uses a bike similar to what most of use, and he does tricks with it, so does Aaron chase... Jeff lenosky (heck, even Hans Ray) can do trials kind of moves on normal production bikes. although
even if you try to reduce weight on your bike for tricks, it would just be better to get a bike which is smaller and easier to manouver.
one good way to be able pull of tricks, would be to at least have some upper body strength...much easier to manhandle your bike.... ;D
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Post by the D. on Feb 13, 2006 23:42:13 GMT 8
but weight reduction would help a lot
on doing tricks. just consider the durability
of the components first
before installing them
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Post by Blister T on Feb 14, 2006 1:12:50 GMT 8
for me, id rather go with burly, stiff yet durable parts rather than lightweight parts... i definitely wouldnt compromise strength over weight...
re the tube argument... i personally use a fatter tube so i could run high pressure but not stretch the tube. high pressure/low volume is the way to go for added grip and traction on downhill and urban riding. it also greatly helps reduce/prevent pinch flats, which is very very common on urban riding... i ride a 2.5-3.0 tube for my 2.4 tire...
re the light/folding tire... if its folding, it OBVIOUSLY has a soft sidewall... if u are an XC freak or a road rider then it wouldnt be much of a problem, but if we are talking about urban riding, doing drops, rear tire stalls, stair gaps, etc then it would be a wiser idea to use a tire with a stiff sidewall... using a soft sidewall tire or a folding one would be a disaster even for pros... urban pro riders like chase, lenosky, porter, leech dont use folding tires... even weight conscious trials riders dont use folding tires...
old japan shimano parts are very strong and outlast most new parts but they are mostly made of steel and weigh more than the newer ones... newer beefy aluminum parts are just as durable and would weigh less than classic steel parts...
i think the secret to becoming a better urban/street rider is finding the right geometry of the bike that fits your size... using a longer or shorter stem or a changing to a lower rise handle bar will make a big difference more than reducing weight. proper technique matched with a bike that fits you perfectly will make you a better rider rather than reducing a couple of pounds and sacrificing strength... stronger parts means less breakge and will make u ride longer or practice longer, having light/old parts means more repair and will keep you off your bike longer for repairs, itll make you a better mechanic than make you a better rider...
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Post by Blister T on Feb 14, 2006 1:19:56 GMT 8
look at robbie bourbon!!!! he's a big dude but he could do tricks!!!!!! brad how tall are you? Robbie BOURDON is only 5'3"!!! unless you are as tall as gloria arroyo then calling him a big dude would be weird... he's just ripped but he is a small guy... his height has been a butt of jokes in magazines and dvd's... just look at the length of his legs compared to his width, he looks like a giant midget! he even looks small for his small size Kona bike... |
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Post by alien_scream on Feb 14, 2006 9:59:05 GMT 8
yeah he's a small dude!!!! but he's a heavy dude!!!!
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Post by feline13 on Feb 14, 2006 10:37:39 GMT 8
yup. i know a good trials guy na heavy din.
Novice sha sa DH but bihira ngayon lumaro.
frorider sha dito sa PinoyMTBiker.. pengot sa mga riders na pasaway, endless etc etc.
taas din nun tumalon at smooth pa ala wade simmons.. rocketman and all others who know him can attest to that.
pero for sure kawawa yung bike at fork nya .. kaya dapat heavy duty din hahahaha.
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Post by Blister T on Feb 14, 2006 14:18:45 GMT 8
HAHAHA si Pengot yon! hehehe! di naman yun ganon kabigat! kalahati ko lang yon!
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Post by PasawayL on Feb 14, 2006 17:16:45 GMT 8
yup. i know a good trials guy na heavy din. Novice sha sa DH but bihira ngayon lumaro. frorider sha dito sa PinoyMTBiker.. pengot sa mga riders na pasaway, endless etc etc. taas din nun tumalon at smooth pa ala wade simmons.. rocketman and all others who know him can attest to that. pero for sure kawawa yung bike at fork nya .. kaya dapat heavy duty din hahahaha. ikaw ha...inaapi mo si Peng ha...di ba sweet kayo nun dati... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by konablack on Feb 14, 2006 19:23:39 GMT 8
Thanks for all the feedback, yeah I'm a bit on a tight schedule so I cramp a lot of time to practice, I guess it would at least cut the time to practice when you have light bikes...
about the durability, there are parts that has a good resistance to abuse and is very light, like i've mentioned the xc parts...
about the tires, I agree with you guys, folding tires are light and weak!?!
I haven't been able to try this cause I have less time, but will wan't to try and experiment...
Thanks for the info and keep em comin'...
kris
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Post by konablack on Feb 14, 2006 19:26:03 GMT 8
Oh yeah, and also please be able to post in english...
not that i'm angry or what, just doin my job...
thanks and appreciated you comments
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Post by Patrick on Feb 14, 2006 23:04:19 GMT 8
Go for the smaller tube, i use a 1.5-1.9 tube on a 2.4 tire. Way better than getting the folding tire. Yes they will burst later on but they are lighter.
Some fancy not miding the weight and goes for the strength, some mind it. IMHO weight affects performance esp if you are a beginner. Ryan Leech said in an interview that he used to ba able to do high side hops (114cm) when he used a lighter bike but cant do as much on his current rig (norco moment) "which weighs a ridiculous 28.5 lbs". That is from a cromoly production bike.
If you fancy drops then a heavy strong bike will work, but if you ride urban trials then weight reduction is necessary especially if you are still learning like me and kris(konablack).
I use this technique when learning some trick without my seat (less 1.5lbs) then put it back when i have warmed up, it totally worked. Now I can do the same stuff with the seat al the time.
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Post by Blister T on Feb 15, 2006 4:31:13 GMT 8
yeah he's a small dude!!!! but he's a heavy dude!!!! 150lbs lang sya... |
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Post by feline13 on Feb 15, 2006 8:59:22 GMT 8
yup. i know a good trials guy na heavy din. Novice sha sa DH but bihira ngayon lumaro. frorider sha dito sa PinoyMTBiker.. pengot sa mga riders na pasaway, endless etc etc. taas din nun tumalon at smooth pa ala wade simmons.. rocketman and all others who know him can attest to that. pero for sure kawawa yung bike at fork nya .. kaya dapat heavy duty din hahahaha. ikaw ha...inaapi mo si Peng ha...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D no i'm not! im just stating a fact!  |
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Post by joes on Feb 15, 2006 14:42:18 GMT 8
some tricksters i know use chromoly frames. i was tempted to sell my grenade for a while, thinking it's hard to do tricks on a heavy bike. but if the trickters i know use cromoly well, maybe the rider is the problem.  |
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Post by Patrick on Feb 15, 2006 21:42:34 GMT 8
yes that is true @someone-else, one good example of cromoly user is Ryan Leech but his frame is around 4lbs, approx 3 lbs less than the grenade. What's more important than weight IMHO is geometry, the weight comes in 2nd. I was able to try one (grenade) for a brief moment. Its has a good geometry.
But based what you have you should make it a point to lessen your bike weight as much as you can. There are compromises on performance and weight. The best is analyze and choose which would be better. i.e. I dont mind trading my hubs to something sturdier with more actuations but twice as heavy. If only I can only afford it.hehe
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Post by >rocketman> on Feb 16, 2006 8:34:24 GMT 8
frorider/pengot is now practicing 180 bunny hops, on his white chucker his teacher mike from pasay,
sabi ko sa kanya reduce wight kasi mahirap pumihit kung may love handles, baby fats daw yun hehehe,
manuals pengot the best pa rin.
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Post by joes on Feb 16, 2006 14:02:56 GMT 8
a friend of mine is able to pull off 180s on a fairly heavier FS, but fails to complete it in his own HT. i think this is because of the added rebound of the rear shock on the FS. and the bad geometry of his HT. his fireball hardtail has a long chainstay.
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Post by lellow on Feb 19, 2006 3:44:32 GMT 8
I just read an article in some website about the length's people go to in order to lighten their bikes. They resort to even drilling holes in everything including frame. I guess it's not advisable if you don't know what you're doing but I would go so far to cut down and drill my seat post (if you still got one) and maybe the handle bar on the edges without worrying too much since they're not often weighted with much.
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Post by lellow on Feb 19, 2006 3:44:55 GMT 8
OH yeah and some do the rims too!!!!!
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Post by alien_scream on Mar 6, 2006 18:19:25 GMT 8
try this on your bikes!!!! he uses a cro-mo frame and i suggest bore holes also on your rims!!!!!!   |
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Post by rob on Mar 6, 2006 22:19:52 GMT 8
d@mn Joey,
that frame looks like it was sprayed by a tommy gun. hehe peace brad.
guys we are destroying the essence of "FREERIDE" right? stop with the BS debate and let's just ride k?
Peace to all yo!
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Post by ewik on Mar 16, 2006 16:47:51 GMT 8
just don't depend too much on your bike's parts.
the rider must also know how to execute tricks smoothly.
everybody happy =)
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Post by alien_scream on Mar 16, 2006 21:59:06 GMT 8
like they say its not on the bike your riding but its on the rider who's riding the bike!!!!
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Post by jr on Mar 16, 2006 22:52:46 GMT 8
like they say its not on the bike your riding but its on the rider who's riding the bike!!!! Very true... |
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Post by vertigo on Mar 17, 2006 2:45:07 GMT 8
it's the RIDER not the BIKE!
no matter what hehehehe ;D
let's ride urban this sat ;D i'm free
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Post by Patrick on Mar 17, 2006 9:15:28 GMT 8
nax. finally somebody is coming hehe
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Post by Patrick on Mar 17, 2006 9:38:38 GMT 8
hmmm i think its the rider and the bike. Cant you just imagine how much better Ryan Leech can do now with his new setup? Ofcourse he might have gotten a better deal with Shimano but those new components are a lot lighter than his previous setup.  Maybe now he can reach his record high sidehop again. He wasn't able to reach the height in his 27 lbs setup. Maybe with the XTR rims, v-brakes & Hone cranks (with truvative bashring ;D) he can do it again. Can you imagine giving up your HS-33 in favor of mech-vbrakes? I cant. Now how about you guys? Can you do a lot better with a lighter bike? Assuming its the same frame and geo. BTW the record highest sidehop I think goes to that Benoto(?) guy. He ranks no.1 in a mod in UCI ranking now hes spanish I think |
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Post by alien_scream on Mar 17, 2006 16:31:07 GMT 8
what is the hight of the record??
i think jeff lenowsky still has the record!!!!
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