donfacundo
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Post by donfacundo on Nov 15, 2007 0:11:54 GMT 8
what brands that are affordable (say 10k petot) available in pinas where you can use HT on dual crowns. i have watched russ morrel on a balfa hardtail doing insanely crazy stunts (hucks, jump and drops) and the guy who rode ellsworth specialist on DC's also at the finale, italy's first show of urban wooden bridges ala northshore style in my staement dvd w/c was free on the lizard skins lock ons. not everyone can ride an expensive FS DH bikes... but are willing to give em a shot...
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Post by anshwa on Nov 15, 2007 0:55:36 GMT 8
Gerry and the Roan d Face's first URBAN DH RACE at MAJAYJAY, LAGUNA was FUN and one way to promote the sport of DH. if you cannot bring the masses to watch a DH race above the mountains... YOU BRING the DH RACE to the the MASSES. People watched in awe as racers showed what a mtbike (hardtail and full sus) is capable of. drop, jump, do stairs, log rides, teeter toters, and crashing hehehe this alone can spark interest for them to try th sport of mtbiking. when's the follow up race gerry? let me guess...... no sponsors heheheheh I second this. I've seen pics of the Majayjay race & I have to say that was one very impressive race. It's just like the RedBull races. Speaking of which, if there are no sponsors for a race to be held, an area that could be worked on would be access to trails. Access would mean keeping existing ones open & would involve maintaining them. I think a once a month or once every 2 months of trail maintenance can do a lot for the trail & for public relations. The trails are, after all, also being used by the locals. Keeping trails open & maintained would also spark a lot of interest from riders. I for one don't like to race & would rather just ride because it's fun. And I guess a lot of riders really don't want to race & that's still cool. Keep those ideas coming. ;D
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Post by mountguitars on Nov 15, 2007 2:14:25 GMT 8
Personally I think its great that you guys want to bring more people into your sport. I think the XC crowd that is now buying AM bikes are a natural target. I recently bought a full-face helmet so I could DH my AM. In the US, Super D races are becoming a popular venue for XCers to try DHing, and to compete with a fair shot of winning against DHers. Organizing a Super D here would be one way to gain converts. Posting your tagaytay rides would be another - unlike xc, you need a big group for DH, not just for safety but to defray the cost of the ride up. And precisely because we are such a tribal lot, XCers like me don't know too many DHers, so its hard to get started. this guy has it made. its the same thing in my head. i started with XC but now, i'm starting to use my AM rig more. but it depends on the trail syempre. so nowadays mas gusto ko sa AM na trail. super D races will open the way. to become a full pledged DHer we need help from our DH brothers. we need to have DH clinics and trainings so people like me would know the difference. so when's the DH clinic? ;D
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apol
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Post by apol on Nov 15, 2007 7:00:07 GMT 8
@ anshwa excellent thread brad! as a rider we need to be able to do all disciplines of mountain biking. XC riders can benefit from doing a little DH on the side, and Vice Versa ie: an XC rider can do faster laps if he had better bike handling and DH skills and not only a good climber, because not all xc race courses are all flat and uphills. with regards to the DHers benefits, endurance, pedaling climbing (as stated in some of the threads here that DH race courses have a bit of an uphill ;D) it goes both ways. so lets stop beasting on each other XC, DH, AM these are all just letters the bottom line is we all share the same passion.......BIKES!!!
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Post by rcgmachineshop on Nov 15, 2007 7:47:10 GMT 8
Let me try to give an idea on set-up because someone mentioned economics. This is a very partial list of popular brands but it doesn't mean these are the rigs one would have to buy in order to ride AM/FR/DH. It's a list to give one an idea of the set-up for an all-around FR bike: Full suspension: Iron Horse: 7point / Yakuza Ojiki / 6point Giant: Glory / Reign Rocky Mountain: Switch / Slayer Transition: Dirtbag / Preston FR / Covert Santa Cruz: Bullit / Heckler Intense: Uzzi / 6.6 / 5.5 Kona: Stinky / Coiler Banshee: Scream / Chaparral GT: Ruckus / Faction Hardtail (yes, you can use a hardtail to FR/DH): Iron Horse: Chimpira Giant: STP (I'm not too big on this for DH though. I have one & I think it's more a Street, DJ & park bike.) Rocky Mountain: Flow (much like the STP) Transition: Vagrant Santa Cruz: Jackal / Chameleon Kona: Stuff Banshee: Morphine Azonic: Steelhead GT: Ruckus You'd notice that in the full suspension list I've listed 2 or 3 types. This is a matter of rider preference. You could go for more travel & therefore plusher on the DH but a tad harder to pedal uphill. Or you could go for less travel so you could pedal uphill better but not too plush on the DH. General notes on FS: 1. You're looking for something w/ 5 - 7 inches of travel front & back (i.e. 5 & 5; 5 & 6; 6 & 5; 6 & 6; 6 & 7; 7 & 7; 7 & 6; etc.) 2. At least 2.3 tires. 3. Disc brakes. Not to say you couldn't pull it off w/ v-brakes. General notes on Hardtail: 1. Beefy tubing or monocoque frame. 2. Gussets on headtube, seattube & reinforcements on the chainstays & seatstays. C'mon, let's go freeriding!!! Why no dabomb??? . Anyways, I cannot do FR, I am chicken inasal on large jumps.
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Post by kulot_salot on Nov 15, 2007 8:24:36 GMT 8
thanks ferdie!!! you DA MAN!!!!! Let me try to give an idea on set-up because someone mentioned economics. This is a very partial list of popular brands but it doesn't mean these are the rigs one would have to buy in order to ride AM/FR/DH. It's a list to give one an idea of the set-up for an all-around FR bike: Full suspension: Iron Horse: 7point / Yakuza Ojiki / 6point Giant: Glory / Reign Rocky Mountain: Switch / Slayer Transition: Dirtbag / Preston FR / Covert Santa Cruz: Bullit / Heckler Intense: Uzzi / 6.6 / 5.5 Kona: Stinky / Coiler Banshee: Scream / Chaparral GT: Ruckus / Faction Hardtail (yes, you can use a hardtail to FR/DH): Iron Horse: Chimpira Giant: STP (I'm not too big on this for DH though. I have one & I think it's more a Street, DJ & park bike.) Rocky Mountain: Flow (much like the STP) Transition: Vagrant Santa Cruz: Jackal / Chameleon Kona: Stuff Banshee: Morphine Azonic: Steelhead GT: Ruckus You'd notice that in the full suspension list I've listed 2 or 3 types. This is a matter of rider preference. You could go for more travel & therefore plusher on the DH but a tad harder to pedal uphill. Or you could go for less travel so you could pedal uphill better but not too plush on the DH. General notes on FS: 1. You're looking for something w/ 5 - 7 inches of travel front & back (i.e. 5 & 5; 5 & 6; 6 & 5; 6 & 6; 6 & 7; 7 & 7; 7 & 6; etc.) 2. At least 2.3 tires. 3. Disc brakes. Not to say you couldn't pull it off w/ v-brakes. General notes on Hardtail: 1. Beefy tubing or monocoque frame. 2. Gussets on headtube, seattube & reinforcements on the chainstays & seatstays. C'mon, let's go freeriding!!!
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Post by anshwa on Nov 15, 2007 9:31:59 GMT 8
Why no dabomb??? . Anyways, I cannot do FR, I am chicken inasal on large jumps. Rcgmachineshop, the list was not meant to be the ONLY list. It was meant to give those interested an idea of what set up they should be thinking about. ;D Maybe you could give the counterpart set ups for Dabomb? Kulot, no brad. You da man! Hehehehee! Apol, right on, brad! Hey we should session Highbridge soon! or Cunningham.
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Post by lloyd on Nov 15, 2007 12:25:31 GMT 8
@ anshwa excellent thread brad! as a rider we need to be able to do all disciplines of mountain biking. XC riders can benefit from doing a little DH on the side, and Vice Versa ie: an XC rider can do faster laps if he had better bike handling and DH skills and not only a good climber, because not all xc race courses are all flat and uphills. with regards to the DHers benefits, endurance, pedaling climbing (as stated in some of the threads here that DH race courses have a bit of an uphill ;D) it goes both ways. so lets stop beasting on each other XC, DH, AM these are all just letters the bottom line is we all share the same passion.......BIKES!!! @ apol, Nice one brad...
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Nov 15, 2007 13:12:42 GMT 8
i like the term beasting yawa!!! trans: ara k bungot!!! bord
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Post by bongjumper on Nov 15, 2007 14:15:24 GMT 8
So where will be the DH trail that the DH rider will be doing the clinic Please post your invitation here so we can join...
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Post by REDNEB on Nov 15, 2007 16:38:05 GMT 8
relax lets pm nono... hehehehehe
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Post by Pao on Nov 15, 2007 18:07:18 GMT 8
just an observation. most of the posts in the trail/event galleries are XC events. Maybe its time to show the peeps around here what DH tracks we ride here in the Philippines. parang advertising ba? since visual/pictures are tools for advertisements, why not start threads in the photo gallery section about our rides... i know most of us are busy riding (hehe... this one i'm guilty of), but any picture with DH riders and venues will be viewed and appreciated. just my suggestion... ;D
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Post by psyblade30 on Nov 15, 2007 19:25:38 GMT 8
guys, i'll try to talk to some sponsors maybe we can have urban race again this december....cross your fingers
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Post by Patrick on Nov 15, 2007 20:49:20 GMT 8
Heard Downhill is out of the Sea games for good, see thats karma for picking on the new guys. hehe just kidding
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Post by Patrick on Nov 15, 2007 20:51:23 GMT 8
...kidding on the karma thing only btw
oh my suggestion is to hold demos like the way trials is being demo in urban settings allowing for you guys to show some innovative moves in limited spaces using DH rigs like ladders etc, side drops using DH bikes on short logs on a demo course in events of course. That should get more exposure to DH.
Because some people wouldn't mind buying a Php50T cellphone but could care less for a bike not unless you make him want it. Nowadays Php50T will buy you a pwede na DH rig
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Post by jd00 on Nov 15, 2007 21:44:11 GMT 8
its really nice to experience each mode of discipline in MTB, it developed your skills, stamina etc...
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Post by santino on Nov 15, 2007 21:51:03 GMT 8
oh my suggestion is to hold demos like the way trials is being demo in urban settings allowing for you guys to show some innovative moves in limited spaces using DH rigs like ladders etc, side drops using DH bikes on short logs on a demo course in events of course. That should get more exposure to DH. Because some people wouldn't mind buying a Php50T cellphone but could care less for a bike not unless you make him want it. Nowadays Php50T will buy you a pwede na DH rig Anyone remember the F.L.O.W.riders? That's exactly what they did.
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Post by anshwa on Nov 15, 2007 22:23:25 GMT 8
oh my suggestion is to hold demos like the way trials is being demo in urban settings allowing for you guys to show some innovative moves in limited spaces using DH rigs like ladders etc, side drops using DH bikes on short logs on a demo course in events of course. That should get more exposure to DH. Because some people wouldn't mind buying a Php50T cellphone but could care less for a bike not unless you make him want it. Nowadays Php50T will buy you a pwede na DH rig Pat, this is a great idea! The good thing about it is that there is an active participation of the riders. You'll just need a little patience & industry to build demo-friendly ladders & ramps. You could have hardtails (including trials bikes) & full suspensions. I for one got into DH because of my exposure to the Marlboro Adventure Team events they held in the malls. Loved riding those bikes through the wooden course!
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Post by >rocketman> on Nov 15, 2007 22:34:46 GMT 8
HOW TO GET CORPORATE MONEY INTO DH/FR?
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Post by Alphabolt on Nov 15, 2007 22:36:45 GMT 8
By promoting funracing .... no pressure rides ikanga
Races should have "open trails" sessions for non-racers at minimal costs to the non racers
DH newbies can use the race trails with the guidance of more seasoned riders
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Post by anshwa on Nov 15, 2007 22:37:31 GMT 8
what brands that are affordable (say 10k petot) available in pinas where you can use HT on dual crowns. i have watched russ morrel on a balfa hardtail doing insanely crazy stunts (hucks, jump and drops) and the guy who rode ellsworth specialist on DC's also at the finale, italy's first show of urban wooden bridges ala northshore style in my staement dvd w/c was free on the lizard skins lock ons. not everyone can ride an expensive FS DH bikes... but are willing to give em a shot... Donfacundo, I'm not sure if there are any hardtail set ups that you could build for around 10K but I'm sure a lot of the DH/FR riders here could help you out on that area. Just a suggestion, though... You really don't need a dual crown fork for a hardtail to do DH or FR. A 5"-7" single crown fork would do the trick - if not perfect for it. A single crown fork may not be as stiff as a dual crown one but it is generally lighter & easier to steer on slow, tight trails. Here's my AM/FR HT set-up w/ a 6" fork. I could ride it DH as it is right now w/o changing any part except bringing the seat down. Although if I'll be riding it DH for a while (for a few days or so), I'd probably install a chainguide (single or dual chainring). By promoting funracing .... no pressure rides ikanga Races should have "open trails" sessions for non-racers at minimal costs to the non racers DH newbies can use the race trails with the guidance of more seasoned riders Excellent post, Alphabolt!
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lloyd
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Post by lloyd on Nov 15, 2007 22:58:00 GMT 8
@ anshwa,
Nice rig...
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Post by apol on Nov 16, 2007 5:07:17 GMT 8
Apol, right on, brad! Hey we should session Highbridge soon! or Cunningham.[/quote] anshwaLet's go! hehehe, oh by the way there are new stuff in cunningham park (pump track and DJs) just let me know. your hardtail is perfect for that trail.
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Post by Alphabolt on Nov 16, 2007 6:53:42 GMT 8
Uber nice HT bada$$ rig you got there, Ferdie brad! and Im sure you can huck that thing with your flying skills yeah I'd put a dual-ring guide e13
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Post by XP on Nov 16, 2007 8:09:21 GMT 8
i love d rig sir anshwa....nice ride
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Post by anshwa on Nov 16, 2007 8:16:28 GMT 8
Lloyd, Alphabolt, XP, thanks sirs!
Apol, heck yeah, brad. I'm bringing the STP if we're hitting the DJ's!
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Post by coilerblue on Nov 16, 2007 8:30:44 GMT 8
nice rig answa
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Post by donfacundo on Nov 16, 2007 9:52:10 GMT 8
anshwa
gracias senyor!
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Post by anthrax76 on Nov 16, 2007 10:27:52 GMT 8
I'm a Mountain Cycle fan, and anshwa's rig can handle the rough. if only that frame would be available here, he he he
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 16, 2007 10:36:39 GMT 8
yeah, what happened to that brand? i used to dream of san andreas...which according to one article, one of the best bikes of all time.
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