do you know this thread that you are posting in? this is a thread where we are trying to squeeze ideas on HOW TO GET MORE RIDERS INTO DH/FR as initiated by answha.
with due respect to your person, i believe your posts are not contributing anything to this thread.
stop the ranting and XC-bashing and give your share to this thread ;D
or perhaps start a thread entitled: Rantings of a DH guy and how to bash an XC guy, or something to that effect.
It's interesting to note that in any sport,enthusiasts who dwell in opposite sides of the spectrum end up gnashing at each other? Arciyeres is right, after all, when you remove all the inches, the travel, the carbon fiber, the aluminum and whatever else we've bought--- we all ride objects on two wheels.
This is a forum where ideas from all sides are supposed to be brought into the fore. Let's help each other get more enjoyment out of those two wheels we're riding.
So why not hit two birds with one stone? Why not host a Dh/Fr clinic (where drops, turns, and berms abound) and host an Xc (Palace in the sky perhaps?) clinic where hyperventilation is the norm? Or if you're hankering for a trail with a painful climb and a breathtaking descent, I'd be more than happy to show you Mt. Arayat of Mindoro. Hehehe.
That way, both types of enthusiasts get to experience what the other is enjoying. Walang olats, lahat panalo, at siguradong lahat ay uuwing laspag. Nyehehehe.
Very nice discussion here... one is opposing against many... this is a tread how to get more riders into DH/FR... In my case, It's different thing, From FR/DH rider to XC rider...
@rcg- before I also enjoy a lot doing FR/DH, until now, I have a lot of safety gears from Body armour, full face helmet, etc, etc and I have still DH bike with the best parts available I can afford. In short, I'm a die-hard FR/DH... But I never challenge this XC rider... to do DH with their XC bikes... XC riders is totally different capability as FR/DH... But the most important is to respect one another...
Now, most of the time I'm doing XC ride and just used my DH bikes in stair climbing... ;D no more time for FR/DH ride because of no more DH trail available...
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2007 17:13:15 GMT 8 by bongjumper
rcgmachineshop, how did you know that? sinabi sayo? eh di sana tinakalan mo hehe!
but if thats what you think of it i respect it..its still a view that should be counted, not to be dismissed in forums like these to better understand each other.
i'm no DH'er but please let me say a few things about this..if we are going to entertain in our thoughts what others think of our sport, of what we love to do, then we might not be able to enjoy it to the fullest.
pakialam nila...wag mo na lang pansinin pards..you know your sport...you know what it can do...you know what it makes you..and i guess that's all you need to know.
kung merong makitid na utak sa XC or roadie definitely meron rin sa DH nyan...but we know better...taas natin sarili natin and drop this animosity/bad blood or what ever it is between the fields of cycling.
this is an MTB forum but did you notice that we have a road section here? that's why i love this forum...i believe its an effort to reach out...let's try do that as well.
just my 2 cents.
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2007 18:36:40 GMT 8 by Ben Dover
"its not the mountains that we conquer, it's ourselves." ...e.hillary
thats a nice quote santino...rings a bell...that "overspecialization" word, i was just watching a BBC wildlife docu DVD last night and that word was used...pandas are in the brink of extinction coz they dont eat anything other than bamboo...other animals as well.
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2007 18:12:43 GMT 8 by Ben Dover
"its not the mountains that we conquer, it's ourselves." ...e.hillary
guys- we cant blame rcg if he experienced those things, just like what you guys said to each his own skills, i experienced that too, sometimes i wish a had a pocket recorder so if somebody asked me about my bike i just press the play button...its kinda tiring to answer the same question again and again.... once my team mates and me planned a trail ride in cavinti, i pedaled from majayjay to pagsanjan on my dh rig and met them in jollibee, some XC guys were also waiting for their friends on the parking lot and asked us where we are heading, we told them that we're going uphill to cavinti using our dh rigs, they laughed at us and told us that we wont last the climb using our bikes...and guess what ? just 1/4 part of the zigzag road we overtook them and they look very tired, we didnt laughed at them or teased them instead we asked them to join us for a cold softdrink and invited to join us on the trail ride and we had a fun filled day and fresh buco on the trails and the best part....a dh ride with then on the pave...who won? we did.....they didnt know that we do XC also
i want to share my personal experience too...i was cruising near the entrance of bf resort at las pinas when a rodie told me "bilisan mo!" hehehe hinayaan ko na lang cla... eto pa...ito madalas "ang laki ng gulong mo tatakbo ba ng 70kph yan" and "pa try pabuhat, ang bigat naman ng bike mo" i dont care what they say saka maayos ko naman sinagot sila...peace
Personally I think its great that you guys want to bring more people into your sport. I think the XC crowd that is now buying AM bikes are a natural target. I recently bought a full-face helmet so I could DH my AM.
In the US, Super D races are becoming a popular venue for XCers to try DHing, and to compete with a fair shot of winning against DHers. Organizing a Super D here would be one way to gain converts.
Posting your tagaytay rides would be another - unlike xc, you need a big group for DH, not just for safety but to defray the cost of the ride up. And precisely because we are such a tribal lot, XCers like me don't know too many DHers, so its hard to get started.
When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. - H.G. Wells
ok coiler... i'll give you a hitch next sat...... 1p-up and 1 revo lagi convoy namin heheheheh..... 8 riders + dh gear and 8 dh bikes max. cap. . . .
this sat..ill hook up with XP and the other riders in tagaytay..... txt txt papa chat.. oks
it dsnt necessarily mean if you own a truck to haul your bike eh madami na kwarta.. hehehehe
i use my truck for business and also for pleasure(DH)... i drive an old 92 4x4 isuzu p-up diesel its tuff n ruff n brute n trail tested... i leave my mega SUVs at home ... cuz im practical....
if you can afford 2 100k+ bikes i reckon you can spare 200k for a decent p-up truck.... pang hanap buhay at pang service..... cuz your DH rig aint goin nowhere not unless you can haul it to a DH specific location...( ang Dh bike dehins furniture sa bahay.. sana Plasma TV at lazyboy na lang binili mo! Furniture talaga! practical!) hahahahahahahaha
Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Nov 14, 2007 20:29:30 GMT 8
kidnapin mo sabihin mo dyan lang kayo then sakay mo sa sasakyan mo. bring them to the dh trails... then enjoy! do the flow! ride! he'll just worry a bit then later sabi ko saiyo, sumisigaw n yan sa thrill!
Post by rcgmachineshop on Nov 14, 2007 20:33:28 GMT 8
I think it is time for me to build an XC bike and smoke their asses... Just kidding and I am not saying all XC riders here.
I love to ride with XC riders because they know where to hit the good trails, what I hate are the somewhat newbies or maybe they just do not care if they are insulting indirectly the person they are talking to.
I am planning to build a hardtail bike, but not for xc, for dj because I need to train for those freakin pump tracks!!
Great posts, everyone! I guess in the process of doing beginner's clinics & beginner rides, we are changing the way a lot of riders look at DH or FR. Oldschool's right by saying the current AM crowd would be the natural target. The thing is based on what I've seen here in the PinoyMTBiker forums, practically most riders are AM riders. A lot of riders here label themselves by there bikes (XC, AM, FR, DH). I believe most are pretty much AM riders because of the stuff they ride. Ergo, most are target. Let me clarify though, I don't wish to convert everyone to DH/FR. All I'm thinking of is opening the minds of other riders to truth that riding mountainbikes is all about riding everything: from road to the gnarliest trail (uphill or downhill). And it would surprise a lot that riding one discipline actually enhances other disciplines.
Let me try to give an idea on set-up because someone mentioned economics. This is a very partial list of popular brands but it doesn't mean these are the rigs one would have to buy in order to ride AM/FR/DH. It's a list to give one an idea of the set-up for an all-around FR bike:
Iron Horse: 7point / Yakuza Ojiki / 6point
Giant: Glory / Reign
Rocky Mountain: Switch / Slayer
Transition: Dirtbag / Preston FR / Covert
Santa Cruz: Bullit / Heckler
Intense: Uzzi / 6.6 / 5.5
Kona: Stinky / Coiler
Banshee: Scream / Chaparral
GT: Ruckus / Faction
Hardtail (yes, you can use a hardtail to FR/DH):
Iron Horse: Chimpira
Giant: STP (I'm not too big on this for DH though. I have one & I think it's more a Street, DJ & park bike.)
Rocky Mountain: Flow (much like the STP)
Santa Cruz: Jackal / Chameleon
You'd notice that in the full suspension list I've listed 2 or 3 types. This is a matter of rider preference. You could go for more travel & therefore plusher on the DH but a tad harder to pedal uphill. Or you could go for less travel so you could pedal uphill better but not too plush on the DH.
General notes on FS:
1. You're looking for something w/ 5 - 7 inches of travel front & back (i.e. 5 & 5; 5 & 6; 6 & 5; 6 & 6; 6 & 7; 7 & 7; 7 & 6; etc.)
2. At least 2.3 tires.
3. Disc brakes. Not to say you couldn't pull it off w/ v-brakes.
General notes on Hardtail:
1. Beefy tubing or monocoque frame.
2. Gussets on headtube, seattube & reinforcements on the chainstays & seatstays.