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Post by gulliver on Sept 9, 2004 14:48:41 GMT 8
lance, i see where you're coming from, and your assertions make a lot of sense...it also explains why i found the stumpjumper (shorter chainstays) a more maneuverable HT than my previous Giant XTC but maneuverability aside, and placing safety foremost, standover height is too important to ignore. when mr. suave said he was tip-toeing over the frame when at a full stop with both feet on the ground, it seemed too clear to me that the frame was too tall for him (for any MTB application). for road applications, this probably doesn't matter. kaya ako nag-suggest na (for the same brand), he should get a smaller frame. smaller frame equates to shorter seat tube and top tube for most brands i know. now that aside, he should think then about the fit in terms of his torso length/arm reach/body flexibility vis-a-vis the top tube length, stem length, handlebar rise and position, and seat position for overall comfort. but you will notice that downhill bikes often have a tight cabin (i.e. short top tube, short stem, lowered seats, riser bars) to allow them to position their butt as far back over the rear wheel as possible....for traction and balance when going down steep and/or technical inclines. riding them XC esp. on climbs, is not something i enjoy hehehe you're also right re the stem... too long a stem will affect downhill posture and balance, but have yet to try (as a recreational biker) an incline where a lowered seatpost and a rearward weight placement didn't address the problem of balance. but i really haven't seen any of the skilled bikers here (and they're quite a lot) endo b/c of a long stem... the endos i've seen and experienced, are usually caused by 1) sitting/standing too high above the bike when descending; 2) improper and untimely use of the front brake; 3) going too slow downhill over a rocky section and the front tire doesn't have enough momentum to roll over a rock or obstacle; 4) front tire catches or gets stuck in a rut in short, driving/handling technique is responsible for most of the endos i've seen. chainstay length and maneuverability are important considerations, but less so when a recreational rider has no other choice but to work with whatever frame he's got...and can generally make up for it with good balance and position on the bike. but again, i'm just talking from a recreational background...racers like like you may have more meticulous or demanding requirements. ride safe man
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Post by MR. SUAVE on Sept 9, 2004 15:14:19 GMT 8
thanks for the reps. I will try to look up the net and see how to measure my frame size..am saving up for a pair of disk brakes din, hopefully next payday ...the KONA HT i like! I will try to take all your advises in consideration and will try to build my bike right this time. Mine was just built up thru turo-turo style - no science or study behind my rig right now. but am ejoying it alot...siguro if I get it right mas mag-eenjoy ako (i hope)..hehe.. right now just enjoying the ride along Manila bay, andami nga lang temptations...liempo, adobo, BBQ..hehe ;D I have not experience going down with my belly up my seat..maybe my frame was not designed for that kasi its for dual slalom purposes daw. grabe I just noticed that you have to carefully understand your bikes pieces para ma-enjoy mo sya...nung BMX days ko eh ride and smile lang...wala ba talagang all in one na frame? I would also enjoy a BMX-style ride....is this more on freeride set-up? many many thanks and sorry dami tanung
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Post by atomikmatchbox on Sept 9, 2004 21:12:32 GMT 8
mr.suave taga pasay ka lang pala madalas kami mag nyt ryd sa baywalk every tue. and thurs. baka gusto mo sumama marami din ako kasama na mga naka hardtail may kaparehas pa ng frame mo guess din taga pasay din cya kaya lang more on dirt jump yung set up ng bike nya style bmx na malaki tingnan
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Post by Lance_R_evo on Sept 10, 2004 0:05:58 GMT 8
balik BMX na lang tayo ulit hehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by MR. SUAVE on Sept 10, 2004 11:19:25 GMT 8
mr.suave taga pasay ka lang pala madalas kami mag nyt ryd sa baywalk every tue. and thurs. baka gusto mo sumama marami din ako kasama na mga naka hardtail may kaparehas pa ng frame mo guess din taga pasay din cya kaya lang more on dirt jump yung set up ng bike nya style bmx na malaki tingnan sige-sige-sige sama ako...loner ako dun pag weekdays eh what time do you usually guys ride? Tuesday and thursday are okay for me yehey! Sir Lance, di na ata kaya ng BMX yung frame ko, magmumuka akong unggoy sa circus...baka batuhan pako ng saging pag nakita ako ng mga tao..hehe
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Post by atomikmatchbox on Sept 10, 2004 21:14:29 GMT 8
mr suave every tuesday kami nagririide around 8 to 9pm kami nagmimit sa endless bike shop tpos diretso kami baywalk hanggang intramuros konting jump sa stairs sa luneta at drop dun sa intramuros at sa stairs na pababa dun sa tapat ng letran after nun may bakery kami pinupuntahan sa singalong cor taft ave.malapit sa la salle dun kami nakain ng mainit na pandesal palaman keso hehe after nun kanya kanya na uwi around 12 na or bago mag 1 am tpos ng ride namin sama ka ha ito no. ko 0920-3443369 txt ka lang pag gusto mo sumama
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Post by MR. SUAVE on Sept 12, 2004 13:09:06 GMT 8
got it mr. atomik ;D will join in the fun on thursday nite...looking forward to riding with you sir...btw, i have two new friends who's into mt. biking din..can they join as well? thanks!
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Post by atomikmatchbox on Sept 13, 2004 6:18:51 GMT 8
mr.suave sure kahit ilan pwede mo sumama malaki ang kalsada para sa atin lahat at para mag enjoy bkit wala ka sa ride natin kahapon ang saya kahit mahirap ung mga ahon grabe di ako makalakad ngyn sakit ng mga binti ko yung pilay ko sa tuhod bumalik ang sakit txt mo lang ako pag sasama ka sa nyt ryd cu brad
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Post by MR. SUAVE on Sept 13, 2004 10:06:21 GMT 8
brother atomik, nainggit nga ako sa inyo eh..kaso may work duty ako pag sunday..kainis nga...congrats pre, mukhang na-conquer mo na ang fear mo of uphills di ka lang pang DH ngayun, UH king ka na rin!
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Post by budbender on Dec 10, 2004 5:55:45 GMT 8
simple lang problema mo brad, bumili ka da bomb hardtail or cove para sigurado di mo mawawasak! salpakan mo ng Boxxer kahit ano basta boxxer, salpakan mo truvativ chain guide, fatboy na rims at yung pnakamalaki na kasya na gulong isalpak mo tapos hyraulic disc ok na! dun din nag umpisa si dangerous dan. pero gusto mo urban,freeride at dh rig? hanap ka Da bomb Moab frame Saka Drop off na fork sigurado yun mauna bumigay kaliwat kanan na collarbone mo bago mo mawasak yun!
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Post by milo on Dec 13, 2004 12:54:12 GMT 8
Badong youre the Man!!!!!! Nice suggestion.
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Post by REDNEB on Dec 31, 2004 12:56:07 GMT 8
HT for DH pwede.................................. Pero advice ko lang if ur gona spend at least 40k on a dH bike........ Mag FS ka na kahit 5" travel lng rear. not unless malakas ka lumaklak ng alaxan.... ;D Saka sayang pera....mag uupgrade ka din! Try mo Da bomb sputnik tapos jr T. sabay Hayes Hydro discs,
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Post by Poseur on Dec 31, 2004 14:16:26 GMT 8
i wouldn't go for Jr-T. go for something else but not that. that fork is known for spiking. i know so many people that sold theirs and gotten the super-T instead. u mind as well just get the cheapo boxxer or the kingpin.
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 3, 2005 14:10:27 GMT 8
The spiking problem sa jrT is more of a setting and adjusting problem lang although it does flex a lot, due to the absence of the thru-axle! well boxxer talaga ryt peachy? heheheheehe Saka Corrections sa decending no! Standing too high? everybody stands up no one sits down when going downhill......Standing is actually the correct way of going down...cuz u have more leverageand u can easily shift your weight on the bike!. Front brake? Now why would u use that? Panicky? ;D Going down slow? its ok to go slow as long as you push the bike forward or try to huck it on the obstacle! Di nyo napapansin binobomba ng mga froriders ang bike nila pero di naman sila simbilis ng DHers..pero clear nila at mas mataas ang airtime nila sa amin! OK now let me explain how ruts n pits are used as Riding Lines, but first let me ask who among you have tried to go trailing DH during a signal no.3 storm? You try it. di mo makikita yung ruts kung malalim puno ng tubig eh pag shoot mo sigurado endo ka! pero all it takes is balance and confidence(Saka 1 sako ng lakas ng loob) ;D That is how we(Arjuna.ricky,egay,me,lester,bans) train before. We push ourselves to the most extreme riding conditions kaya kahit ano pa trail condition ok lang we can easily adjust to it. sisiw ba! Dont blame the trail cuz u wiped out...DH is like golf either you "Play the field as it is" or just withdraw? right! Now as for shortening the bike? well. smaller cockpits like short-boxed tubing chainstays,55mm stems,2.5 risers,shorter tubes go. Yes u get more control for Handling but the disadvantage here is once u get top speed u get more wabble and unnecessary movement from ur bike which can be compensated by slowing down to more stable speeds or crashing . ;D But again A little rear travel wont hurt it just may save your hide..... ;D But if you like pushing the envelopes to the next level? Go HT and Obtain the power to move people with ur might!......... ;D *Ang Endo sa harap gumagamit ng preno pag natataranta...
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Post by Poseur on Jan 3, 2005 16:48:13 GMT 8
what year ba ang Jr-T mo dyan sa pinas? 2001 and earlier lang and w/o 20mm axle.... from 2002 meron na.
i'm not sure how many Jr-T are being sold in Manila over all but i can tell u that we have a lot of jr-Ts here in vancouver where mtn biking is huge! u know that. shops here know that jr-Ts got some problem w/ spiking so if u think it's just some adjustment issue then i guess u know more than these guys who deals w/ them all the time. myb u could tell me which ones to adjust so i could share them w/ some of my buddies here who still rides w/ one.
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Post by stormloader on Jan 25, 2005 11:59:51 GMT 8
guys,
sori naive ako sa term na 'spiking' eh...WTF does it mean? hehe. so i'll kung yung fork eh may ganito rin problem
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 26, 2005 17:36:37 GMT 8
Spike- Sudden upward jerking ng fork usually rebound ang problema! ;D
Those who ask learn more n learn faster, Pity the ppl who think they know everything..... ;D
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Post by stormloader on Jan 26, 2005 23:29:59 GMT 8
now i know hehe... and knowing is half the battle sabi sa GI JOE ;D
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Post by Poseur on Jan 27, 2005 0:17:03 GMT 8
on my side of the world spiking means something to do w/ compression. when your fork doesn't want to compress during high speed hits. usually felt during high speed runs tapos meron rocks or larger hits.. yon inside the trails technical rooty stuff it's fine. basically it's like the fork can not compress fast enough... so u feel like it's suddenly stiff... as in no travel. a spike.
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 28, 2005 0:25:15 GMT 8
yun nga yun rebound ba sabi ko?....... ;D Pero tama nga talaga si GI Joe....................... ;D *Ganun ba talaga pag matanda na? bket queen ang sounds ko?......amp!.........ano to?........hala ..........................dont stop me now im havin such a goodtime.......im a rocket ship on my way to mars on a collision course..........lalalalalalala........
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Post by stormloader on Jan 28, 2005 12:09:51 GMT 8
hehe parang pareho ko navi-visualize yung 'spike o spiking' as defined by peachy and redneb... either way that's some scary-a$$ sh*t if it happens while bombing down
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Post by gonz on Jan 28, 2005 12:23:21 GMT 8
mga masters, what do you do if ganito problem ng fork? any specific adjustments. . . ? so that the fork would function properly. . . or talaga lang nangyayari to. tanong lang po.
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Post by Poseur on Jan 28, 2005 13:52:00 GMT 8
i don't know of any solutions. dito sa mga shops they replace the whole fork cartridges (or insides) under warranty, pero after that wala na. jr-T was known to have this problem... some boxxers but mostly sticking sa boxxer and not spiking. i really have no clue, sorry. i find that baka shops sa pinas would tend to try to find a fix since ganoon talaga pinoy, they rather fix than buy a new one. dito if it's broken, the solution is to get it warrantied and kung wala ...buy a new one. volume-wise i could bet my life that we have tons more of dual crown coming in/out of LBS here than dyan so if they know a solution i think they would be using it na. just my logic, i could be completely wrong. there are places specializing in tuning suspension forks for racers and they say they have a solution... you could then ask, how come marzocchi isn't fixing them? one would think marzocchi would know there's a problem.
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 28, 2005 16:37:32 GMT 8
yup thats right peachy, palit laman loob............... Pero d2 satin sa pinas...............palit fork agad! ;D Trust me its a lot cheaper to sell your old fork and get a new one that doesnt spike like for example mga Manitou forks at mga rock shox... ;D
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Post by polpan on Feb 4, 2005 19:09:58 GMT 8
double crown or single crown fork for HT for DH? tnx...
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Post by REDNEB on Feb 5, 2005 2:13:38 GMT 8
double crown na syempre...........hardtail na nga eh: no rear travel! ;D.......so what i would personally do is put all the travel where ever it is available! Ok honestly..............HT arent really suppose to be used in DH. But if u insist..ok. Heres the trick: get a boxed up hardtail stick one of them Manitou stance forks(1 of the cost efficient long travel forks) and some bomb proof wheels, oh and build one of those double-plate chainguides(si panot yata may blueprints nun at si jimi dator!) . You got 1 lean mean freeriding machine brother....... HT meaning faster accelleration, light weight and no flex. Long travel fork syempre para may pan laban ka! ;D It goes up quite fast in the hands of a skilled XC rider and It goes as fast as the bigboys too going down...... Just remember hardtail yan so kelangan most of the time naka float ka sa bike mo! and minsan you have to lean in para lumiko kasi magaan yan(at high speeds sometimes intsead of getting steering control when u turn u get l"lift".). At high speeds small bumps and rocks tend to lift u up....kaya sa sobra tulin di na nasayad sa lupa ! ;D So you have to press the bike pero ta the same time naka float ka para di ka itapon ng bike! Galing noh? simple physics lang naman talaga ang downhill eh... ;D Its a whole lot different from a DH rig totally...Pero once you hone your skills on one of those pag nag DH rig ka aaaaayyyyyyy grabe.......para kayong sila eboy at bonggie.. ;D I remember noon, ;D Parang gutom na tigre nakakita ng brothers burger! Di namin malaman kung ano kinain nung umaga eh.....Ambilis Ampotah!....... Kasi sa HT na rig you have to give it 100% talaga pag sinakyan mo paranag kabayo na ligaw yan. Mahihirapan ka paamuhin yan. Pero pag napaamo mo yan eh "youve grown into skilled rider and trainer". Tapos biglang FS DH rig na? para kang binigyan ng kabayo na pang Equestrian pre.(Tamed,groomed and conditioned to perfection.) konti galaw mo lang very responsive kaya practice your "saddle manners" (likot sa bike). You just tug a little and it jumps over almost anything with precision. Galing noh parang Kabayo pala Bike?........... ;D Its a sport where skill is above power.... ;D
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Post by polpan on Feb 5, 2005 16:44:55 GMT 8
its a hardtail... just got it on some site....
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