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Post by bikehunter on May 18, 2006 8:13:48 GMT 8
wen i entered my first race i tried to lose intentionally. coz it was xc. i never gave xc a go in bing my discipline. i only xc to get into shape. now i concentrate on all mountain riding and epic riding.....
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Post by Julio on May 18, 2006 9:51:42 GMT 8
Hmmm... So if you did try not to lose, would you have won or finished anywhere near the top anyway?
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on May 22, 2006 0:32:53 GMT 8
what's the point of losing intentionally? scared of something or what? that's not easy i guess.
me, i want to win intentionally but i can't win, i can't even rise up to the top ten? that's wierd men.... hehehe.
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Post by Dragunov on May 22, 2006 1:07:19 GMT 8
wen i entered my first race i tried to lose intentionally. coz it was xc. i never gave xc a go in bing my discipline. i only xc to get into shape. now i concentrate on all mountain riding and epic riding..... brad i dont get it , even if u dont do xc, u dont enter a race just to lose intentionally , u enter it to win or to train for a bigger race, i never heard anyone who enters a race to lose i think one reason a person say he enters a race to lose is because he's sourgraping that he did'nt win it or finish it just my two cents brad.
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Post by dayuhan on May 22, 2006 6:43:28 GMT 8
I guess you could say I lose intentionally every time I enter a race, since I know I'm not gonna win. I just like to participate, and besides, if I race, my son has to wait for me at the finish line, instead of me waiting for him.
But... well, if you're holding back because you don't want to embarrass the other racers or something, just enter the open category. Those guys are pretty fast, and you can lose without trying!
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Post by forcebinder on May 23, 2006 6:49:17 GMT 8
in bikehunter's case you could say his dad is waiting for him to take a picture!!!
if u are going to join the open category...when you lose you say "huh??? i think i joined the wrong race!!!"
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Post by allegra on May 23, 2006 22:40:02 GMT 8
As a sports psychologist , I really find this thread interesting Losing intentionally - is that another way of saying , you didnt try hard enough? When I started sa triathlons , it was frustrating na parati kulang oras to train You had 3 events to kill yourself in If yo add injuries , illness from overtraining talagang you feel ang tagal ng improvement It would really be hard to beat guys who are natural runners or gys who started swimming since birth So I changed my goals Instead of trying to win sa age group ko , my goal was to finish a race na satisfied ako I did my best. Yung your not mentally kicking yourself kasi "nabakla" ka sa gitna ng karera. dehins mo kinaya ang sakit at pagod. Honestly , once pa lang ako nakatapos ng race where I was really satisfied I did my best Usually, I knew I gave up mentally , may ipipiga pa dapat Pero Nawala frustration sa training , wala ng overtraining , lamig na ulo life is great Party on!
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Post by Patrick on May 23, 2006 22:47:55 GMT 8
wen i entered my first race i tried to lose intentionally. coz it was xc. i never gave xc a go in bing my discipline. i only xc to get into shape. now i concentrate on all mountain riding and epic riding..... You mean you dropped to 2nd place or you just didnt put enough effort into it? What was your intention in joining? ;D Hey you didnt sign in by mistake did you?
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Post by jr on May 23, 2006 23:01:18 GMT 8
Did you ever try XC on the narrow cliffy section, lots of switchback and rutty section to bring your discipline. What is the cause joining if you intentionally loss or no motivation to win? Joining XC races suppose to give everything you got, heart rate around 80 to 100 percent, getting blur vision and not scared on rutty, techincal section.
Just my 2 cent.
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Post by forcebinder on May 24, 2006 8:23:57 GMT 8
i can even post some pics during bikehunter's race!!!
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Post by bikehunter on May 29, 2006 18:56:15 GMT 8
i tried to lose intentionally because i never liked xc! forcebinder is an all-around.... i finished it... i wasnt last though... in my category i was but if u include the womens u cud say i wasnt.....
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Post by forcebinder on May 29, 2006 20:37:58 GMT 8
if u include the women's category...bikerhunter is second to the last!
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Post by Dragunov on May 30, 2006 1:01:44 GMT 8
i tried to lose intentionally because i never liked xc! forcebinder is an all-around.... i finished it... i wasnt last though... in my category i was but if u include the womens u cud say i wasnt..... just my opinion, if u never liked xc then why join an xc race? u should have joined a dh race, a 4x, a super d(if ever there is), what your point in joining a race u never liked and tell everybody that u losed because u intended to be a "loser"? don't get mad brad, but you're a very unique mtbiker
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Post by bikehunter on May 30, 2006 9:42:38 GMT 8
i joined because the course looked like a super d course.... i love all mountain.... it included a portion of a dh course... and i didnt intend to be a loser...(not mad)..... i wanted to lose so that i could be separated from the ppl in my category. it was actually a situation when i raced just to finish, not trying to lose pala.
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Post by grnhrnt on May 30, 2006 11:38:14 GMT 8
Ah OK, now I understand, you raced just to finish because it was not really your prefered race format of xc racing. More like for fun huh? because I only intentionally lose in any competition when I'm playing my boss or my wife... hehehehe....
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Post by Dragunov on May 30, 2006 11:59:43 GMT 8
i joined because the course looked like a super d course.... i love all mountain.... it included a portion of a dh course... and i didnt intend to be a loser...(not mad)..... i wanted to lose so that i could be separated from the ppl in my category. it was actually a situation when i raced just to finish, not trying to lose pala. ok , now i undestand what ur trying to say hehehe, dont know if there are super d races here, but i hope there will be, i want to join one too ;D
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Post by bikehunter on May 30, 2006 21:25:05 GMT 8
Ah OK, now I understand, you raced just to finish because it was not really your prefered race format of xc racing. More like for fun huh? because I only intentionally lose in any competition when I'm playing my boss or my wife... hehehehe.... exactly!
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Post by bikehunter on May 30, 2006 21:28:44 GMT 8
707........ my dream bike, which is the motolite exogrid, will be seen by the crowd during the 1st PinoyMTBiker super d race hosted by the moderators and the administrators!
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Post by Dragunov on May 30, 2006 21:52:02 GMT 8
707........ my dream bike, which is the motolite exogrid, will be seen by the crowd during the 1st PinoyMTBiker super d race hosted by the moderators and the administrators! is there really a race coming up?
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Post by bikehunter on May 31, 2006 8:50:03 GMT 8
nope, its my dream race. im riding my dream bike.
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Post by grnhrnt on May 31, 2006 17:15:46 GMT 8
I hope you don't intentionally lose in your dream race on your dream bike!
Hehehehe...
Peace!
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Post by bikehunter on Jun 1, 2006 11:52:55 GMT 8
hehe i wont! i will win and be on the podium with a gold medal,check for 50thou and a sponsorship for titus super d team. hehe thats most likely my dream.
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Post by clutchshooter on Jun 1, 2006 11:58:21 GMT 8
wen i entered my first race i tried to lose intentionally. coz it was xc. i never gave xc a go in bing my discipline. i only xc to get into shape. now i concentrate on all mountain riding and epic riding..... Stupify me, Dude!
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Post by bikehunter on Jun 2, 2006 14:09:13 GMT 8
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Post by gadgets88 on Sept 5, 2006 16:08:48 GMT 8
It's becoming clear now... Bikehunter has got the PRO attitude, Losing intentionally in a race he doesn't like but joined. But if it's the right race with the right incentive, like P50K and Titus super d team... then intentionally lose, will he? don't think so... hehe i wont! i will win and be on the podium with a gold medal,check for 50thou and a sponsorship for titus super d team. hehe thats most likely my dream. Now, grnhrnt, on the other hand is the mature type. If I'm playing with my wife and kids, why not let em enjoy winning? I have my quality time, that's all that matters... Ah OK, now I understand, you raced just to finish because it was not really your prefered race format of xc racing. More like for fun huh? because I only intentionally lose in any competition when I'm playing my boss or my wife... hehehehe.... In fact, whenever I play with my buddies in any sport, whether just for fun or play for money (betting), I lose intentionally. I mean, I don't treat it like a life-and-death, for king-and-country type of competition. It's only a game, and only money. Long time ago, I joined a bowling league for 5 years, nobody noticed me. Word never gotten around that I actually know the game! In fact, during our alumni bowling event, I was invited as a last resort to fill in a vacancy in the game. I was put in a class B reserve kind of player. When it was my time to bowl, I made consecutive strikes on my 1st 5 frames. Everybody froze and watched me whenever it was my turn to play. I did f*cked up the last few frames due to lack of training, but I showed them I knew the game and it was enough for me. The top player in our team confided to me that if he knew I could play, he could have made me his partner and win the tourney. I told him I don't play that much and I wan't ready for competition anyway. And swimming? I memorized the multiplication table and all sorts of formulas everyday that I went swimming in the morning for half an hour before going to College. I spent 8 years in College! That's 8 years swimming religiously. Guess what? I tried to apply as a Physics teacher in a University, got hired in an instant at a premium salary and I didn't have experience! So although I was not swimming to win, the mental exercise during swimming paid off! When I'm playing golf, I'd rather enjoy the company and crack jokes. Be aware of the smell of the grass (the place that we go sometimes is not really class A, so it stinks! but beggars can't be choosy.) I heighten my sensory, watch the surroundings, the trees, the landscape, where did the ball go? How does it feel to hit it wrong? how does the terrain go? What's the difference between hitting the sand and on the fairway and on the rough? Should I be honest and play against myself or should I move my ball fast enough to a better position and cheat the game without getting caught? There are so much things to concentrate that winning is the last thing on my mind! But losing intentionally, when I think about it, could be a bad thing. Sometimes I wonder if I had a different personality, if I were to always win intentionally, all my skills would have reached a different level, probably made less friends, made enemies in fact, but think of all the trophies! Wow... where would I put them? As of date, I must have 10 trophies, 20 medals, and sorts of certificates. Imagine if I had 100 trophies, 200 medals, and a hundred thousand gazillion certificates! ;D Lastly, I totally agree with Allegra. I should compete with myself as a goal. Or else I would end up totally frustrated all the time, because there's always somebody younger, stronger, and more dedicated. I'd probably kill myself in the process, if I did all the things I wanted, at the pace I used to do, when this body is getting old (the spirit is willing but the body is weak). I want to be a triathlete like Allegra, I want to play badminton, I want to bowl like Chester King (who is my cousin), I want to play table-tennis, billiard like Efren Bata. I want to be a photojournalist and a portrait photographer. I want to be the perfect parent and husband. I want to be a wonderful College professor, I want to create poetry that moves mountains. I want to be an artist. I want to make beautiful music. And I want to be able to go through life everyday without worrying if I can make both ends meet, because of so many obligations. But we have to make choices in life, we can't have everything, can we? As a sports psychologist , I really find this thread interesting Losing intentionally - is that another way of saying , you didnt try hard enough? When I started sa triathlons , it was frustrating na parati kulang oras to train You had 3 events to kill yourself in If yo add injuries , illness from overtraining talagang you feel ang tagal ng improvement It would really be hard to beat guys who are natural runners or gys who started swimming since birth So I changed my goals Instead of trying to win sa age group ko , my goal was to finish a race na satisfied ako I did my best. Yung your not mentally kicking yourself kasi "nabakla" ka sa gitna ng karera. dehins mo kinaya ang sakit at pagod. Honestly , once pa lang ako nakatapos ng race where I was really satisfied I did my best Usually, I knew I gave up mentally , may ipipiga pa dapat Pero Nawala frustration sa training , wala ng overtraining , lamig na ulo life is great Party on! It's not really life's goal to beat everybody (although politics seem that way). I think we should spend our lives doing our best, so that we can look back with pride. At the same time, winning isn't everything, so we have to make priorities and decide which things in life we can afford to win, and those we can afford to lose. My principle had always been to be honest and do what is right. By doing what is right, we can always look back, and enjoy each moment one more time... again and again.
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Post by bao on Sept 6, 2006 2:04:02 GMT 8
last year I entered my first mtb race. I was leading the whole time until the last lap, when I saw the finish line about 10meters away I suddenly jump off my bike and sat down at the edge of the trail and let other racers passed by.... now that's losing intentionally.
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Post by bikehunter on Sept 29, 2006 12:27:45 GMT 8
the thread is alive as i see it.
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Post by ruel on Oct 15, 2006 21:43:00 GMT 8
there are only two reasons I know why you would lose intentionally,one is to drop the hype and expectation on you winning again,and thats particularly applicable on trials..where in riders get seeded and hyped to win the real race.the second is for the love of the sport...you love to participate and you love the sport..but why not love the sport and conquer it as well...??
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Post by lucban on Oct 15, 2006 22:47:55 GMT 8
Are you Super Man?brad. this is how Clark Kent did to hide his super power. Joke only;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mountainmark on Oct 17, 2006 12:21:52 GMT 8
hhmmm i didnt see the point of intentionally losing in a race. Its only a simply logic, if you join the race your aim is to win but for the beginners like me, my aim is to finish and exposure but not intentionally to lose. If my aim is intentionally losing better yet go to irid and bike the whole day so no one would see me pushing my bike up. hehehe peace brad.
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