mzmn
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Post by mzmn on May 15, 2007 11:37:04 GMT 8
Plug When I started biking, I didn't lose any weight for around 2 months. My last month with Herbalife had me losing 10 lbs in one month. Reason: 1. Less rice/white bread, less carbs. I've read a study where is said that Asians, over the millenia, have developed the ability to process rice better than other staples, like wheat. 2. Less rice/white bread, less simple carbs. Complex carbs allow you to store more energy. Complex carbs tend to be associated with high fiber foods also. It's a matter of moderation, eating only what you need. And this is having a Herbalife Fruit/Rolled oat shake in the morning, salad or light sandwich for lunch, and rice in the evening before returning to work. I think I would lose more if I had shakes for lunch too. But like Lenard said, it's the freaking BEER! I would have lost another inch or two if I didn't develop that habit of downing a bottle or two when it's really hot. Maybe it's a side effect of Herbalife? ;D From 181 lbs, down to 170 lbs and counting...
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Post by Ben Dover on May 15, 2007 11:58:30 GMT 8
i say just continue drinking beer, eating rice etc so that generation/s from now people will develop an immunity from its ill effects (evolution)...and they owe it to you...its a noble sacrifice for our future...no one dies in vain.
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ghorio
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Post by ghorio on May 15, 2007 12:51:29 GMT 8
Got this phrase from the film Dinotopia:
"Eat to live and not live to eat"..
its sounds good!
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Post by Ben Dover on May 15, 2007 13:44:01 GMT 8
btw guys, dont take seriously any advice from a mosquito brain like me. ;D
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Post by sabretooth on May 15, 2007 17:17:10 GMT 8
btw guys, dont take seriously any advice from a mosquito brain like me. ;D but i take your words seriously! how could you! you're my idol pa naman...
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Post by jr on May 16, 2007 5:55:55 GMT 8
Have some truth in it. But again..give me 2 big bowl of rice with beef nilaga for sure I will finish it .
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Daimler
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Post by Daimler on May 16, 2007 8:15:48 GMT 8
Have some truth in it. But again..give me 2 big bowl of rice with beef nilaga for sure I will finish it . nyahaha! way to go, sir!!! i'd do the same...
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Post by ronaldarca on May 16, 2007 9:02:18 GMT 8
ive just read the article and found nothing as in nothing factual about it. some points are right, like vis-a-vis Rice vs. Sugar, yeah they're carbs C-H-O, but some other properties make them both different... ive read too much articles like this such as that Margarine and Plastic being one molecular structure less and stuff, but scrapped them in the middle of reading, not factual enough, just pure rant. id still go for Ma'am Kate's summary reaction and with bearing than the article started. not offensive for you sir keith, since you plucked it from somewhere i believe one word: "Evolution" ... Humans nowadays came far from when Homo Erectus walked upright and developed larger brains when he discovered fire (fire tenderized the meat then jaw muscles tuned down and gave more space for the brain to develop), and so the nutritional requirements and intake capabilities has evolved, too. and yeah, ive read a same article like that of sir Mon's or if it isnt the same one, that Asians developed a better way to process grains, good contribution. now im ranting myself... i must be as hungry as you guys when somebody says "DO NOT EAT RICE," and then i reacted hehe
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Post by rench on May 16, 2007 16:41:27 GMT 8
Yep, we should all stop eating rice.
And also beef: Mad cow disease. And pork: FMD. And chicken: Bird flu. And Veggies: Pesticides.
Stop eating!
OR maybe, stop thinking too much about what you eat and exercise a bit.
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Post by king on May 16, 2007 19:27:45 GMT 8
and tuna:dolphins..
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Post by allegra on May 16, 2007 22:07:19 GMT 8
I think you guys are beginning to convince me already Yeah , I have to admit there is no factual basis that white rice will make you fat and veggies will make you skinny I should eat everything ang just exercise I'm not a doctor , just a plain old construction laborer I better tell my client Mr pitt he can now start eating rice ....and ditch those shorts as well haha
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Post by Dragunov on May 16, 2007 23:39:53 GMT 8
if rice is bad for humans then why are there billions of "rice-eating chinese"!? and surviving till now ;D
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Post by allegra on May 17, 2007 17:53:08 GMT 8
if rice is bad for humans then why are there billions of "rice-eating chinese"!? ;D coz they like sex? ;D All questions can be answered just by rereading the whole thread If any biochem major or nutritionist wants to be technical about it , just pm me My krebs might be a little rusty , but I think I can manage
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Post by pjax on May 24, 2007 15:39:06 GMT 8
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Post by nell7806 on Jun 11, 2007 14:39:38 GMT 8
I don't know bout the writer of that article... I wish you have included who's responsible for that... We all know bout the word moderation right??? and with mountainbiking...HELL!!!!!!! eating lots of rice won't affect you...why? your almost always burning fat...A good Example is sir "fattire" (sir sorry for including you here but my intention is good, Promise)...he always go out on his bike as I know him...I think the writer of that article doesn't know that our metabolism chills down after 3-4 hours after every work-out thats why we are told to eat prefferably after every activity... the pro riders of the former Marlboro tour...Did they bulge up? nope!!! are they eating western food??? I dont think so, because a well known tabloid published that they even find it hard to buy eficascnet oil for them to use after every race to massage their legs...but still they look so slim and firmed... And as a person who's earning 5digit's...even I can't afford a good diet program to alter my rice eating for those less carb diet BS...
as again with the word MODERATION...a doctor would rather tell you to eat a half cup of rice instead of breads which is made of too many ingriedients unlike rice which is only prepared by adding the needed amount of water and let it cook (the cooking process is in a pot where the water is set to boil for a certain period untill the rice reacheas it's desired state or texture)...is it harmful if you would only eat whats good for you and not pigging-out???...THIS IS WHERE THE WORD "MODERATION" COMES...
the author either included salt...hehehehe sorry dude, additives are out of my diet since 2003 and I'm avoiding as much as MSG's as posible...I'm happy to eat what the cook had prepared...
This is one thing he should included..."many Filipinos suffers from diabetis because of rice"....my answer...this is due to wrong way of diet, and the worst they don't know how to, or they don't want to how can I say this??? because for example: most of our countrymen includes Pansit to rice and even Spaghetty (and other starch based and related food)...for sure with this kind of eating habbit none would be safe from diabetis unless your metabolism really zooms like a freight train, like those stevedors in the port area who does a lot of work and pedicab drivers from tondo and divisoria...for sure those who are couch potatoes really suffer from the said ailment...
I guess the writer is a PR man of a real estate developer who wants to buy a lot of farmlands who plants rice... a simple economics...hehehehe if noone would buy or consume any rice noone would plant it...if noone would plant it theres no use for the farmland....hey guys lets convert the farmlands into OFF-ROAD TRACKS for our MTB's hehehehehe...
lastly... Before the author of that article was born... whoever the hell you are!!! GOD gave us the grain for us to make our food or to became our food... Did God Intend to harm us??? I don't think so... It's just our own disposition that turns us into a better being or a worthless creation...
(P.S.) if there is a non-beliver here... Pls... excuse me... I ain't speaking for all, just for those who wants to....
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Post by allegra on Jun 14, 2007 10:26:40 GMT 8
You guys love rice w/ a passion! Just curious , what's the secret to eating in moderation? I'd like to do it but cant I keep hearing it dito sa board In tagalog , pano nyo napipigilan kumain ng madami ? Because If you have a really practical answer that can be used by the ahem heavyweights , you'll be a millionaire
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Post by nikkocholo on Jun 18, 2007 22:07:28 GMT 8
If you go to a buffet resto like dads kamayan etc. you have to keep it moderate. pick a little of everything so you could satisfy your cravings.
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Post by jr on Jun 18, 2007 23:20:07 GMT 8
You guys love rice w/ a passion! Just curious , what's the secret to eating in moderation? I'd like to do it but cant I keep hearing it dito sa board In tagalog , pano nyo napipigilan kumain ng madami ? Because If you have a really practical answer that can be used by the ahem heavyweights , you'll be a millionaire ;D ;D ;D. Actually is up to the person to control of his/her eating (descipline). I notice when you starve yourself you intend to eat more until you are satisfied. The brain tells you to do so. But it can be control by taking small portion of snacks before feeling hungry.
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Post by allegra on Jun 19, 2007 0:17:28 GMT 8
You guys love rice w/ a passion! Just curious , what's the secret to eating in moderation? I'd like to do it but cant I keep hearing it dito sa board In tagalog , pano nyo napipigilan kumain ng madami ? Because If you have a really practical answer that can be used by the ahem heavyweights , you'll be a millionaire ;D ;D ;D. Actually is up to the person to control of his/her eating (descipline). I notice when you starve yourself you intend to eat more until you are satisfied. The brain tells you to do so. But it can be control by taking small portion of snacks before feeling hungry. Good answer Jr, but you gotta pick your snacks If a errr....heavy guy ate a "moderately sized" rice or bread snack . After an hour pa lang he's hungry again
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Post by jr on Jun 19, 2007 0:52:53 GMT 8
;D ;D ;D. Actually is up to the person to control of his/her eating (descipline). I notice when you starve yourself you intend to eat more until you are satisfied. The brain tells you to do so. But it can be control by taking small portion of snacks before feeling hungry. Good answer Jr, but you gotta pick your snacks If a errr....heavy guy ate a "moderately sized" rice or bread snack . After an hour pa lang he's hungry again Dont eat rice or bread. Ok sometimes pandesal with coofee is good but try keep to minimum ;D. Rice are fast to digist. Good for snacks are nuts and dry fruits instead. They are very flexible. You can chew few while working. If I could only eat pasta with beef nilaga, adobo, pinakbet, dinuguan and denengding probably better but it doesnt mix ;D.
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Post by gadgets88 on Jun 19, 2007 9:03:17 GMT 8
If you go to a buffet resto like dads kamayan etc. you have to keep it moderate. pick a little of everything so you could satisfy your cravings. A cousin of mine loved Bibingka so much that he ordered one and ate the whole lot. A few hours of excruciating tummy pain later, he finally disgorge his insides out. From then on, he never touches bibingka. What's the moral here? If you wanna learn the meaning of moderation, instead of depriving yourself, try overfeeding. After the ordeal, the word MODERATION seem to always fill your mind. So my advice would be... 1. go to DAD's (or any eat-all-you-can) 2. Choose those fatty heavy favorite dish of yours that you know are bad for your health. 3. eat until your tummy is about to explode 4. Learn the lesson or a home version... 1. Cook a kilo of rice 2. Ulam with adobo baboy, tokwa, sisig, bulalo, lechon (1/4 kilo), karekare, pusit, dinuguan, and what-have-you. 3. Eat to your heart's content. Don't stop. 4. Learn the lesson It is very important to learn the lessons in eating just as much as it is important to learn the lessons in biking. Making mistakes is part of the learning process. If you don't start doing stupid things- stupid, terrible things that affects you for life - you won't learn the lessons at all. The humorist Barry Le platner said: "Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment." If you want to become a good swimmer, you must start to drink. Ask Allegra how many glasses of pool water he takes everyday. ;D If you want to become a good writer, you must start to write, lots, no less than 500 words. You would like to make as many mistakes as early as possible in your career. If you want to become a biker, you must start to bike. There is no substitute. We all have to make mistakes. At the same time, it is important to get a thorough understanding of the fundamentals of whatever pursuit you have in mind. And you learn them here in the forums, from other people's experiences. You will discover that people who have the most stories to tell, are the same people who have the most mistakes they can't forget. Armed with this knowledge you will make fewer mistakes, and you will learn much more quickly from the mistakes that you do make. Once you learn the lessons, once you get the habit, you're on your way to becoming DA MAN! Hi Enzo!
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 19, 2007 9:37:24 GMT 8
ok guys...for those who are still bachelors, you still have a chance...marry someone who doesnt know how to cook...i did. hahaha! (joke lang mommy ;D ) levity aside peeps, i'll let you in on my secret...it's what our mothers been telling us since we were kids..."hwag ka na kumain nyan mag tatanghalian na"...we'll i drink a cup of coffe 30-45mins before meal then medyo mawawala gana ko...who knows it might work for you too.
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Post by kulot_salot on Jun 19, 2007 10:09:01 GMT 8
levity aside peeps, i'll let you in my secret...it's what our mothers been telling us since we were kids..."hwag ka na kumain nyan mag tatanghalian na"...we'll i drink a cup of coffe 30-45mins before meal then medyo mawawala gana ko...who knows it might work for you too. yeah. what i do is drink a glass of water muna before a meal...
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Post by allegra on Jun 19, 2007 10:20:41 GMT 8
Gadgets - your becoming a very poetic writer, galing pards But have any of you guys been fat? your suggestions while it does make sense wouldnt work on a heavy guy Coz if it worked , then obesity wouldnt be so prevalent Mataas na nga blood pressure but they still cant stop eating chips or fries Now if they cant stop eating salty, greasy food when it may kill them , then how would you tell them to eat moderately to get thinner? btw, 4 years and 40lbs ago , a rice adobo meal , a whole bibingka washed down w/ 1.5li coke is an ordinary snack for me hehe w/c is probably why I'm so obsessed w/ this stuff
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Post by gadgets88 on Jun 19, 2007 10:58:46 GMT 8
Truth to the matter is... I've never been fat. Can't get fat. Doesn't mean I didn't try. Tried darnest. Don't want to waste those information. So... Half of my post might be true, half of them most probably inaccurate. The challenge is to decide which one. Poetic you say? Thanks to you! I used to be boring. Now I put the word Allegra in all my post, and they come out entertaining! Why a single word makes a world of difference is beyond me. Better ask the babes... ;D
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 19, 2007 11:47:48 GMT 8
ok peeps...going back to the topic of rice...this time i will not be joking promise ;D from the moment i read it ito agad napansin ko..the problem with the article it failed to consider the adaptability of human being or if i maybe allowed to say lahi (race) or type of people...its too general that as if all the peoples of the world have the same diet or eating habit. even here, in some parts of the philippines rice is not the staple food...my parents back in the days used to eat grounded corn instead of rice in negros...i even heard of an area where the staple is kamote (sweet potato) dehins naman sila ututin ...now, why not try to eat kamote for your lunch i read a magazine article about a couple of years ago regarding a study...there's this isolated italian village where the people are known for their diet of pizza, meat, pasta and all those greasy food...yet almost none of them seem to suffer from heart or other related cardio vascular deseases...they found out there is something common with the people there..their DNA..those food dont have an adverse effect on them..those who suffer illnesses due to the food, they found out, were not originally from the place. the tibetans staple meat comes from yak...they drink its fat rich milk too...heck! the tibetans make candles out of its fat..thats the truth peeps yet they too dont suffer from heart problems etc. so whats the moral? if the food makes you ill, avoid it..if not, dont. just my two cents.
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Post by allegra on Jun 19, 2007 12:26:36 GMT 8
So are the Inuits of the frozen north ( or was it south , I forget ) They eat a diet of meat and fat yet they dont drop down dead from heart attack Now lets feed them a lot of rice or bread, sugar along with that fatty food let's see what happens
I think their bodies have learned to metabolize fat as an energy source Kasi walang carbo sa diet nila , so thier body fat gets used up
That's easy to prove You can go on a diet puro meat lang and fat Thousands of fat people have done the induction phase ng atkin's diet and didnt die from heart disease
Now , if you add refined carbs/4 cups of rice to that fatty diet.........
btw Tolits , were there fat people dun sa place where they eat camote?
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Post by Ben Dover on Jun 19, 2007 12:45:54 GMT 8
i think thats exactly the idea...if the body can learn to metabolize fat then i dont see why it can't with carbo...we are the most widespead specie in the world proving our adaptability maliban siguro sa ipis hmm..diet of just meat..i believe thats possible too..if your body can adopt...those who believe in the vegetarian diet believe they can survive too without meat ayan dehins ko alam. about kamote, i think i saw a short film about some natives of aurora..they fish though..most of them are skinny except for that of their tribal leader..marunong pa mag ingles ;D some tribes in some parts of luzon kamote rin..i'm sure lots peeps here heard of it also.
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Post by whoopi on Jun 19, 2007 12:54:11 GMT 8
we'll i drink a cup of coffe 30-45mins before meal then medyo mawawala gana ko...who knows it might work for you too. problem is, i like having a slice of cake with my coffee
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Post by kulot_salot on Jun 19, 2007 13:05:16 GMT 8
Thousands of fat people have done the induction phase ng atkin's diet and didnt die from heart disease i think they will die of inggit if they see my 3cup rice lunch today... ;D ;D ;D ;D ...those who believe in the vegetarian diet believe they can survive too without meat ayan dehins ko alam. how about we pull-off their canine teeth? they don't need it naman... ;D ---- seriously, do anybody here have stats westerners vs. asians deaths of heart ailment? just for info, the Balti people in the northern frontier of pakistan... their diet is mostly berries... i believe lamok's post regarding race/regionalism diet is correct. btw, i tried kamote diet dati when i need to trim down for a 'comp' ... don't ask what. ;D
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