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Post by allegra on Dec 25, 2004 18:40:03 GMT 8
Wont long slow rides do the trick? This teaches the body to burn fat daw I cant help myself, ANG SARAP KUMAIN PAG PASKO!
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Post by gulliver on Dec 25, 2004 21:43:22 GMT 8
Wont long slow rides do the trick? This teaches the body to burn fat daw I cant help myself, ANG SARAP KUMAIN PAG PASKO! dre, am sure they help...but you never know for sure till you get your cholesterol level checked. kasi, regular exercise will keep your BP down, and your glucose levels in check...but cholesterol is the silent killer one day you feel terrific, then the next moment you're gasping for air. cholesterol's ability (the plaque on your arteries) to harm you is not only from the food, but can be genetic...and it can be from stress. mom ko (not genetically predisposed) clogged up her arteries at the age of 73...mainly because of stress and the rigors of work...DESPITE a lifetime disciplined lifestyle and healthy diet. kaya yun, nag quadruple bypass at 73. good thing she's fully recovered from the operation na. in my case, a 41 year old (part of the 5% of heart attack cases)....you probably know how good i felt till the moment of the attack...my lungs were good, my muscles were holding up well...then that ice-cold feeling blanketed my chest. ouch, the memory of it still hurts
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Post by allegra on Dec 25, 2004 22:00:11 GMT 8
ack... and I thought I could just eat anything na ngayon So no smoking, less drinkin, watch your diet, less stress, so what vice pa ang natitira?
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Post by gulliver on Dec 25, 2004 22:31:04 GMT 8
ack... and I thought I could just eat anything na ngayon So no smoking, less drinkin, watch your diet, less stress, so what vice pa ang natitira? isn't it obvious? hehehe, joke lang...pero i think the key word is moderation...esp. after the age of 20 ;D
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Post by minotaur on Dec 26, 2004 9:27:45 GMT 8
My Gulay! PIGOUT gallore!!! Ride na tayo... I have to burn out a few Christmas meals on me. ;D
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Post by oilman on Dec 26, 2004 9:33:10 GMT 8
isn't it obvious? hehehe, joke lang...pero i think the key word is moderation...esp. after the age of 20 ;D Ted, Will Atkins diet keep the crispy pata? ;D ;D ;D It's the calories kuno that we should watch out My doc requires blood cholesterol tests every 6-months. So far, 5-days of fish and 2-days of meat worked for me. Boiled Eggs, my doc says are okay too. And.... oatmeal for breakfast with non-fat milk (watch out though for the sugar in non-fat milk).
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Post by allegra on Dec 26, 2004 13:30:16 GMT 8
Speakin of atkins A friend na naka atkins, lakas kakain ng karne( taba ) pero ang baba daw ng cholsterol nya hmmm...Tingnan ko kung buhay pa in a few months
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 26, 2004 14:32:05 GMT 8
Speakin of atkins A friend na naka atkins, lakas kakain ng karne( taba ) pero ang baba daw ng cholsterol nya hmmm...Tingnan ko kung buhay pa in a few months Speaking of Dr. Robert Atkins, originator of Atkins Diet, his own heart problems and hypertension is being kept secret. Not much are being said to the public. We should limit carbohydrates intake like rice and starch to moderation on everyday diet, and not indulge on high fat diet as Atkins is advocating. Excess carbohydrates not burn by the body turns into fat. Key is low carb intake. Eat more vegetables and fruit, moderate meat, more fish. Exercise (biking) more. Calories count is another way of finding out how much food we should take in a day. Large excess of unused calories will definitely stay in our body and turn into fat.
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Post by minotaur on Dec 26, 2004 16:34:45 GMT 8
Exercise and Calorie Counting is a great way to loose weight and keep fit. Pero I don't really agree with a Low Carbo Diet... Why? Because Carbohydrates is the main fuel of the body. It keeps you up and running thru most of the day esp. in exercise activities. The key is moderation and timing! take in you Carbs in intervals in such a way that your body "burns" it efficiently. If you take in too much at one time the rest of it is stored as fat.
Mas mahirap pa naman nagamit as fuel ng body ang fat pero it is also needed. It is converted as hormones esp. in women, there are vits that can only be absorbed thru fat, used as insulators against cold and heat and during straved states it is utilized as fuel.
Ted is right! The key word is "moderation".
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Post by allegra on Dec 27, 2004 21:30:52 GMT 8
Iclassify natin yung carbs na yan When we say carbs, nasa isip natin rice and bread eh Carbs din ang fruits at veggies? A survey ng top athletes diet ay baliktad ang basic food pyramid The base of the pyramid is water, followed by fruits and veggies, then lean meats, and the smallest amount ( the top )is grains and breads Using that modified pyramid, mas lower ang body fat Zone diet ata yun
So rice and breads are the culprit?
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Post by minotaur on Dec 28, 2004 9:29:09 GMT 8
Iclassify natin yung carbs na yan When we say carbs, nasa isip natin rice and bread eh Carbs din ang fruits at veggies? So rice and breads are the culprit? There are two type of carbs, simple and complex. Simple are those which we can easily identify as sweet! Complex are those which are fruits, vegs, etc they are not necessarily sweet pero palatable naman. Under complex carbs there are high and low fiber! Dami noh? ;D Ok... High fiber- Mostly your green leafy vegs high in "cellulose" or what COWS eat! Humans can not digest this stuff but consumption of these is associated with low incidence of hypertension, cancer, diabetes, ets... Why? Have you seen a cow die of a heart attack? ;D These are actually the most nutritionally valuable in terms of carbohydrate. Gets pa ba? Low fiber-ex. banana, tomato, squash, GRAINS(rice, bread), CEREALS, potatoes, etc... These things are also healthy so don't worry about it. ???So which one, Simple or Complex? It does'nt really matter if it's simple or complex, it goes thru the same process into the circulation to be used as energy(calories) once it has been digested. ???High or Low fiber? Believe it or not even though humans could not digest High fiber, our bodies are not designed to thrive on large anounts of Low or fiberless carbs either, thus the dilema . But due to advances in agriculture and increase production of genetically altered grains and cereals which provide high calories. It has become the main part of the human diet, the down side these actually distorts our metabolism leading to diabetes, dyslipidimia, hypetension... etc. So a balance is still the key! I'm hungry....
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Post by lucban on Jan 8, 2005 12:21:15 GMT 8
There's a new findings two days ago that CRP or C REACTIVE PROTEIN plays a significant role in causing a heart attact or a stroke.CRP is a protein produce from the liver if there's a inflamation in our body.They said that low LDL alone will not assure you that you will avoid MI or a stroke,they seggest to lower both LDL and CRP by diet,exercise and STATIN meds. like Crestor .According to the study,this is the common cause of heart attact/stroke to those healthy individual(People who do exercise and diet) who have a low LDL but high CRP.CRP testing is available.All you need to do is to inform your MD to monitor your CRP(it should be below 2 ml) and LDL/HDL.They said that STATIN helps in lowering CRP.
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Post by gulliver on Jan 10, 2005 13:22:26 GMT 8
lucban,
brad, do you think statins should be taken even by outwardly healthy people? and how does Crestor compare to Lipitor? Thanks!
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Post by minotaur on Jan 10, 2005 14:41:56 GMT 8
brad, do you think statins should be taken even by outwardly healthy people? ! Statins should not be given outwardly to people esp. if they're healthy....(whats' the point? ). More so because of unforeseen side effects esp to those with liver and kidney disease and pregnant women. They are given when diet, excersie and healthy life style modifications has failed to lower cholesterol levels. With statin alone it takes 3 to 6 weeks to see any dramatic changes in cholesterol levels, that is why it is given as an adjuct to diet and a healthy life style. and how does Crestor compare to Lipitor? Thanks! Crestor (Rosuvastatin)Lipitor (Atorvastatin)Both are cholesterol lowering drungs classified as StatinsI've only read 1 head to head study between Lipitor and Crestor. In the study Crestor has a 46% effectivity as compared with Lipitor(37%) but this does not mean that one is better than the other. Lipitor is still proven to be safe and very effective. I am still yet to find other head to head study of these drugs.
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Post by lucban on Jan 12, 2005 12:33:27 GMT 8
Statins should not be given outwardly to people esp. if they're healthy....(whats' the point? ). More so because of unforeseen side effects esp to those with liver and kidney disease and pregnant women. They are given when diet, excersie and healthy life style modifications has failed to lower cholesterol levels. With statin alone it takes 3 to 6 weeks to see any dramatic changes in cholesterol levels, that is why it is given as an adjuct to diet and a healthy life style. Crestor (Rosuvastatin)Lipitor (Atorvastatin)Both are cholesterol lowering drungs classified as StatinsI've only read 1 head to head study between Lipitor and Crestor. In the study Crestor has a 46% effectivity as compared with Lipitor(37%) but this does not mean that one is better than the other. Lipitor is still proven to be safe and very effective. I am still yet to find other head to head study of these drugs. brad. According to the new findings,statin is one way in order to lower your C reactive Protein/CRP.This study said that CRP plays a big role in MI/Stroke .They said that high CRP is very common on those healthy individual (those who have low LDL,fit,do exercise and diet) who suffer from a stroke/MI.Probably, using statin is a new therapy in lowering CRP.I also read that CRP is triggered by stress,lack of sleep and fatigue.Look at what happened to FPJ.According to his family,he was healthy before he suffered a stroke, But siguro due to depression and stress cause by the election, na stroke sya.Next time you go for your Gen. Check up- Check your C reactive protein.The main target of statin here is to lower your CRP.So even if you have a Low LDL and a good HDL ,you have to take meds. like statin if your CRP is High.Mga brad. this therapy is new,they are still finding the best way to lower your CRP.Try to check Yahoo update on CRP last week.
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Post by minotaur on Jan 12, 2005 15:51:22 GMT 8
brad. According to the new findings,statin is one way in order to lower your C reactive Protein/CRP.This study said that CRP plays a big role in MI/Stroke .They said that high CRP is very common on those healthy individual (those who have low LDL,fit,do exercise and diet) who suffer from a stroke/MI.Probably, using statin is a new therapy in lowering CRP.I also read that CRP is triggered by stress,lack of sleep and fatigue.Look at what happened to FPJ.According to his family,he was healthy before he suffered a stroke, But siguro due to depression and stress cause by the election, na stroke sya.Next time you go for your Gen. Check up- Check your C reactive protein.The main target of statin here is to lower your CRP.So even if you have a Low LDL and a good HDL ,you have to take meds. like statin if your CRP is High.Mga brad. this therapy is new,they are still finding the best way to lower your CRP.Try to check Yahoo update on CRP last week. Lucban, Sorry I forgot to post something about CRP and Statin. ;D So here is a study backing up your claim . Statin Therapy, LDL Cholesterol, C-Reactive Protein, and Coronary Artery DiseaseSteven E. Nissen, M.D., E. Murat Tuzcu, M.D., Paul Schoenhagen, M.D., Tim Crowe, B.S., William J. Sasiela, Ph.D., John Tsai, M.D., John Orazem, Ph.D., Raymond D. Magorien, M.D., Charles O'Shaughnessy, M.D., Peter Ganz, M.D., for the Reversal of Atherosclerosis with Aggressive Lipid Lowering (REVERSAL) Investigators ABSTRACT Background Recent trials have demonstrated better outcomes with intensive than with moderate statin treatment. Intensive treatment produced greater reductions in both low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol and C-reactive protein (CRP), suggesting a relationship between these two biomarkers and disease progression. Methods We performed intravascular ultrasonography in 502 patients with angiographically documented coronary disease. Patients were randomly assigned to receive moderate treatment (40 mg of pravastatin orally per day) or intensive treatment (80 mg of atorvastatin orally per day). Ultrasonography was repeated after 18 months to measure the progression of atherosclerosis. Lipoprotein and CRP levels were measured at baseline and follow-up. Results In the group as a whole, the mean LDL cholesterol level was reduced from 150.2 mg per deciliter (3.88 mmol per liter) at baseline to 94.5 mg per deciliter (2.44 mmol per liter) at 18 months (P<0.001), and the geometric mean CRP level decreased from 2.9 to 2.3 mg per liter (P<0.001). The correlation between the reduction in LDL cholesterol levels and that in CRP levels was weak but significant in the group as a whole (r=0.13, P=0.005), but not in either treatment group alone. In univariate analyses, the percent change in the levels of LDL cholesterol, CRP, apolipoprotein B-100, and non–high-density lipoprotein cholesterol were related to the rate of progression of atherosclerosis. After adjustment for the reduction in these lipid levels, the decrease in CRP levels was independently and significantly correlated with the rate of progression. Patients with reductions in both LDL cholesterol and CRP that were greater than the median had significantly slower rates of progression than patients with reductions in both biomarkers that were less than the median (P=0.001). Conclusions For patients with coronary artery disease, the reduced rate of progression of atherosclerosis associated with intensive statin treatment, as compared with moderate statin treatment, is significantly related to greater reductions in the levels of both atherogenic lipoproteins and CRP. Source Information From the Cleveland Clinic Foundation, Cleveland (S.E.N., E.M.T., P.S., T.C.); Pfizer, New York (W.J.S., J.T., J.O.); Ohio State University Medical Center, Columbus (R.D.M.); North Ohio Heart Care, Elyria (C.O.); and Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston (P.G.)
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Post by gulliver on Jan 13, 2005 13:59:01 GMT 8
how much would a CR Protein check cost in the Phils kaya? thanks
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Post by minotaur on Jan 13, 2005 15:54:03 GMT 8
how much would a CR Protein check cost in the Phils kaya? thanks In Makati Medical Center it around 600Php. Reminder: CRP is not specific for myocardial events(heart attack) it is protein produced by the body during imflammatory states(i.e. rheumatoid arthritis, Trauma patients, liver disease, SLE... etc, etc). Recent studies just show the correlation between CRP levels and the risk of heart attack(myocardial infaction) since it is also an imflammatory process CRP levels tend to be elevated. The same way it is elevated in other imflammatory disorders. Again, my advice consult with your physician to better asses the need for CRP level determination.
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Post by minotaur on Jan 13, 2005 16:10:10 GMT 8
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Post by gulliver on Jan 13, 2005 18:37:23 GMT 8
amazing the info we've all managed to put here
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Post by lucban on Jan 14, 2005 12:11:51 GMT 8
In Makati Medical Center it around 600Php. Reminder: CRP is not specific for myocardial events(heart attack) it is protein produced by the body during imflammatory states(i.e. rheumatoid arthritis, Trauma patients, liver disease, SLE... etc, etc). Recent studies just show the correlation between CRP levels and the risk of heart attack(myocardial infaction) since it is also an imflammatory process CRP levels tend to be elevated. The same way it is elevated in other imflammatory disorders. Again, my advice consult with your physician to better asses the need for CRP level determination. There's a lot of buzz going on around here/US re:CRP in relation to MI/Stroke.My opinion is they(Pharma. Co.) will probably introduce a new meds. for lowering LDL and CRP.Ito yung bagong Marketing tool here in US "fear Business".Tatakutin ka muna and then they will be the same people who will give you the cure$$.You know what i mean
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Post by Q on Jan 14, 2005 13:01:38 GMT 8
looks like it. The good thing about there in the US is maganda ang social health services nyo. Unlike here, pharm co., health agencies and practitioners are well compensated. So those who need medical attention has very litttle to worry about.
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Post by jr on Jan 14, 2005 22:25:30 GMT 8
looks like it. The good thing about there in the US is maganda ang social health services nyo. Unlike here, pharm co., health agencies and practitioners are well compensated. So those who need medical attention has very litttle to worry about. I hope someday will change.. Since PI now infested with fast food restuarant. Not like when I was there, you eat what you buy that day mostly fresh seafood and vegetables. General check up is not complicated. Blood drawn will tell mostly everything in your system. I don't know in PI how much deniro for this check up.
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Post by lucban on Jan 16, 2005 14:46:59 GMT 8
Last week there's a news here(US) re: healthy people's CRP /Cholesterol in relation to MI/Stroke and the benefit of Statin in lowering CRP/cholesterol.Now they are talking of putting Statin as a OTCD(over the counter drug) which means you dont need Rx. inorder to get the meds/you can get it at your own discretion.These is probably happening due to sudden pull out of Celebrex,Vioxx,Alleve(these are Pharma. Company's money making products which are widely use here in US) due to safety issue.They have to introduce new meds. that will help them to recover $$$ due to the pull out.And the most lucrative Drug right now in Pharma Industry is STATIN.By putting them as a over the counter drug, they can sell it faster, means more money for them (Pharma.) and bad for the consumer(some will abuse it,take it incorrectly etc...In short, consumer's health is at risk again!!!
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Post by minotaur on Jan 19, 2005 21:40:57 GMT 8
Last week there's a news here(US) re: healthy people's CRP /Cholesterol in relation to MI/Stroke and the benefit of Statin in lowering CRP/cholesterol.Now they are talking of putting Statin as a OTCD(over the counter drug) which means you dont need Rx. inorder to get the meds/you can get it at your own discretion. Us Advisers Reject Merck Non-prescription Drug By Lisa Richwine Friday, January 14, 2005 BETHESDA, Md. (Reuters) - A U.S. advisory panel on Friday urged regulators to reject over-the-counter sales of Merck & Co. Inc.'s cholesterol-lowering drug Mevacor. Merck's research did not provide assurance that patients would use the drug safely without seeing a doctor for a prescription, the panel said in voting 20-3 against approval. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration usually follows the recommendations of its advisory panels. Merck and Johnson & Johnson have applied to sell an over-the-counter, low-dose version of Mevacor, part of the statin family of drugs used to lower cholesterol and heart disease risk. The panel agreed the population Merck wanted to target would be helped by the 20-milligram Mevacor dose but was concerned pregnant women might take the drug or otherwise healthy people would expose themselves to side affects such as rare cases of muscle and liver damage. Mevacor, which is sold generically as lovastatin, lost patent protection in 2001. Sales of brand-name Mevacor were $31 million in 2003, Merck spokesman Tony Plohoros said. The FDA had rejected earlier proposals for nonprescription statins from Merck and others, most recently in 2000. Merck stock fell from $30.93 a share just ahead of the advisory panel's decision to $30.81 in late afternoon trading. Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. also has said it wants to sell an over-the-counter form of its statin, Pravachol.
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Post by gulliver on Jan 20, 2005 18:02:40 GMT 8
shucks man, nobody told me that i would get a respite from statins after 6 monts cuz it might cause liver damage...statins shouldn't be allowed to be sold w/ proper labelling and/or advice from a competent doctor...makes me think twice about my doctor
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