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Post by bernie on Mar 3, 2004 18:05:35 GMT 8
During uphill, bakit madami ang nagco-collapse na siklista especially yung mga fun riders? Sa Lungs ba kinakapos o sa tibok ng puso?
Ano ang magandang training sa resistensiya, jogging kaya o uphill biking?
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Post by jibber on Mar 3, 2004 19:26:56 GMT 8
Hi Bernie...according to my brad na very serious in his physical training for triathlon...mas maganda daw magpalakas ng resistensya ang running...take note not jogging...and it's better than climbing uphills on a bike also. However, climbing hills on an mtb is more enjoyable...imho...and you learn technical riding skills at the same time ;D
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Post by jr on Mar 3, 2004 22:25:53 GMT 8
Bernie,
Luck of oxygen going to the brain cause this problem.
If you want to have a strong cardiovascular system in biking. You need to train more in the saddle rather than running. This will adjust your body specifically just biking. Training for this are interval, sprint and long hours of riding.
But if you do triathalon you need to add running.
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Post by dasaint on Mar 4, 2004 0:22:14 GMT 8
best training for cycling is cycling. The problem with fun cyclist during the climb is that they over exert. They reach their anabolic thereshold and simply burn out. That is one of the reasons I invested in a heart rate monitor. when I climb anitpolo alot of cyclist pass me huff and puffin. I looked at monitor if I am pushing to hard 90% or more of my max heart rate I simply just pace myslef but if I see I can still can afford a little bit of effort I do so. When I reached the top the cyclist that past me some are on the side of the road breath like fish out of water. use it like you would a Tachometer on a car. You dont push beyond the redline or your engine will blow. pretty much like your body.
We are not like miguel Indurain who has a resting heartbeat rate of 28. His heart rate can climb to 190 and dropped within 30 seconds to 80bpm. The more fit you are the fater your heart can recover.
Intervals routine are one of the best training for cardio on a bike.
Like the Great Cannibal Eddy Merckx said when asked how he became one of the greatest cyclist "Ride lots"
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Post by jr on Mar 4, 2004 1:57:24 GMT 8
Michael Indurain is an excetional human being he has a bigger lungs (can hold more VO2 Max ) more than any biker in the 90's. But you are right.. heart rate monitor help a lot cause you be able to see your limit and as I mentioned above training comment to be a better rider you need to log more hours on the saddle to store more oxygen .  |
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Post by dinarciso on Mar 4, 2004 9:01:32 GMT 8
If I'm not mistaken....Indurain's VO2 Max is something like 87 (the higher the no., the more effecient your body uses up oxygen (( or something to that effect))) - most athletes have between 35-50.
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Post by ridgerider on Mar 4, 2004 9:18:37 GMT 8
try to surf the web for aerobic and anaerobic stages in training. there's a computation for the right beats per minute according to age.
i have to agree that the best training for cycling is cycling...alternate between long medium pace rides and sprints, climbs helps a lot!
most of all, have fun!!!
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Post by jibber on Mar 4, 2004 10:20:49 GMT 8
yeeeez i strongly agree with ridgerider...coz that's my way of training also...that is...having fun!!! ;D
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Post by dasaint on Mar 4, 2004 10:41:35 GMT 8
cycling improves your cardio while having fun and enjoy the view. thats ;D what makes mountain biking a great activity it takes you place you never seen. hehehe
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Post by MarkB on Mar 4, 2004 11:00:24 GMT 8
cyimproves your cardio while having fun and enjoy the view. thats ;D what makes mountain biking a great activity it takes you cling place you never seen. hehehe Yups, also the sense of adventure and exploration. Where no man has boldly gone before! |
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Post by dadjzilla on Mar 4, 2004 11:18:56 GMT 8
Madidevelop mo lang talaga yang increased lung capacity through frequent exercise/training. As u can see most conditioned riders are barrel chested, thats from having bigger lung/capacity( m.indurain can hold up to 6liters of oxygen compared to 2.5 L for the normal person)
Effective cardiovascular exercise cannot only be measured on beats per minute but also how much volume of blood can heart eject per beat(quality of contraction).
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Post by jr on Mar 4, 2004 12:32:30 GMT 8
I agree to all.. MTB is enjoyable and relieve stress specially for long hours of work. |
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Post by bernie on Mar 4, 2004 14:50:34 GMT 8
OK, now in case may kasama tayo na nag collapse during an Uphill, anong magandang First Aid para maka recover kaagad. Do carbo loading helps, like giving him softdrinks, or choco candies?
O kaya kung tayo ang mag collapse mismo, are we allowed to drink water immediately?
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Post by MarkB on Mar 4, 2004 15:34:21 GMT 8
Question, papanong nag collapse? as in shock talga (hinimatay?).
Or ung collapse na tumigil at nde na makalakad up?
Ang pagkakalalam ko pag ung una nangyari (shock), try to strech him out and check kung may heart beat at kung may respiration. Kung ok na meron pareho make sure na wlang mag bblock sa mouth nya tulad ng pustiso, mouth piece or ung tounge, tapos i angle mo ung roll mo slighty pa tagilid (parang natutulog ng naka tagilid). OA yata ng reaction ko pero ganun ung first aid sa mga shock.
Ung second case na nabangit ko naman, kung napagod lang at tumigil at concious pa rin, malamang ang cause nung pag tirik nya ay kulang na ng oxygen na nag fflow sa katawan, it means mataas na ung heart rate pero mababa na ung oxygen content ng dugo nya, so he just needs to take deep breaths tapos yuko lang ng onti or let him sit down, to recover salt sugar solution and da best, 1 tablespoon salt 1 tablespoon sugar diluted sa 1 glass of water, eto naman para nde mamuo ung mga lactic acids sa mga muscles nya, usually lactic acids form pag kumokonti na ang oxygen sa dugo hence meron mga cramps.
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Post by dadjzilla on Mar 4, 2004 16:30:55 GMT 8
If the person colapse but still conscious, able to breath,and with pulse, just expose him/her to fresh air, loosen all constrictve clothing and determine the cause of the problem eg. hypoglycemia, heartproblem etc. if low sugar is the cause u can give him/her some like candy, table sugar etc. For people who have pre existing problem like heart, hypertension etc. it is advisable that they'll bring some meds with them, just in case.
If somebody colapse unconscious with good breathing and with good pulse just put him/her on sidelying position to prevent aspiration,monitor the vital signs and call for help.
If unconscous no pulse and no breathing- start CPR and let somebody call for help.
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Post by jr on Mar 4, 2004 22:26:16 GMT 8
Dadj.. 100 percent agree of your tips. |
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Post by allegra on Mar 4, 2004 22:28:29 GMT 8
Personally.i dont see whats the problem Bakit kasi dehins sila tumigil pag pagod na sila , nakakahiya himatayin!  If your chest is about to pop, stop and walk Pero, wag basta tumigil. Cool down din, kundi, sigurado hilo ka |
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Post by dasaint on Mar 4, 2004 23:57:43 GMT 8
One of the reasons I took 1st aid a long time ago for things like this. It's a very good investment to take up 1st aid from your local Red Cross . I am due for a recertification anyone interested to join me .It is ideal to always bring 1st aid kit and have someone along who knows how to use it especially for long rides.
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Post by dadjzilla on Mar 5, 2004 1:45:08 GMT 8
Thats a good idea dasaint, considering it is one of the very dangerous sport. Alot of people were saved due to first aid and cpr.
Baka may member dito na may instructor course sa first aid mas ok!!
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Post by woofers on Mar 5, 2004 1:56:25 GMT 8
Be careful! If you don't know first aid or the cause of the problem, sometimes it's better not to do anything.
I never knew people could collapse climbing to Antipolo. It's not that high, only around 1.5k feet, right? Unless you're in really terrible cardiovascular shape.
BTW, the closest I ever came to passing out on a ride was doing intervals. I had the dry heaves and had to stop and throw up. After about a minute I was fine again, and resumed my workout.
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Post by woofers on Mar 5, 2004 2:01:15 GMT 8
Madidevelop mo lang talaga yang increased lung capacity through frequent exercise/training. As u can see most conditioned riders are barrel chested, thats from having bigger lung/capacity I don't know of any barrel chested riders. Most pro cyclists are actually small in the upper body. Big Mig was just a big, tall guy overall. Triathletes are different. They have big shoulders and wide lattisimus dorsi from swimming. But I can't think of any that I would call barrel chested. |
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Post by dadjzilla on Mar 5, 2004 2:01:54 GMT 8
Another reason bakit may hinihimatay on this sport kasi during increased activity there's what they called blood pooling( more blood goin to legs, arms and other peripherals) leaving the brain less blood.
for people with pre existing condition siguro mas ok kung you'll talk to your doc on how hard you can go to this sport and also inform your bike buddies about it para naman alam nila(nakakahiya pero it'll save life!)
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Post by dadjzilla on Mar 5, 2004 2:15:37 GMT 8
Woofer, this kind of physique is not readilly noticeable, other definition for this is that they have bigger thoracic cavity( para may paglalagyan doon sa increased vox nang lungs)
Its better to do something using ur little knowledge than seeing somebody dying without any help. Hundreds of people were saved everyyear from" bystander first aid."
Atleast, maganda kung isa sa grupo marunong nang kunti.
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Post by MarkB on Mar 5, 2004 8:52:26 GMT 8
I Definitely agree Dadj, Pinaka ideal talga kung at least meron isa sa mga mag bibike ay marunong ng first aid.
Actually sa mountaineering club namin (UPM) requirement talga ung first aid, pwede nga mag request sa PNRC ng 1 day training lang.
Ting! IDEA - pwede tayo mag sponsor ng 1 day first aid training i-rerequest lang sa PNRC para sa lahat ng taga dito hmmm...
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Post by gulliver on Mar 5, 2004 10:35:38 GMT 8
go din ako dito, very good ideas! tutulong ako just say when convenient for everybody. gawin natin news flash when markb has a proposal |
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Post by dasaint on Mar 5, 2004 13:02:56 GMT 8
Ok request tayo 1st aid lesson from PNRC. I was planning to call them this am for sked. sige sama na ako sa inyo guys sa seminar na ito.
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Post by dadjzilla on Mar 5, 2004 13:08:29 GMT 8
It's like everybody knows how to fix a bike, now its time to know how to fix a rider. That's a good idea talga, go for it and goodluck! siguradohin nyo lang na may maniquin ang instructor baka sa pag mouth to mouth kayo kayo lang rin, pwee! hehehe...
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Post by dasaint on Mar 5, 2004 13:23:13 GMT 8
;DJ ok lang basta maganda na babe iyon 1st aid instructor natin hehehe
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Post by gulliver on Mar 5, 2004 13:41:08 GMT 8
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jr on Mar 5, 2004 22:13:36 GMT 8
Actually your company provide this :...(depends though). I have been certified in the last seven years and all company expense. You guys are right.. at least you know to save your fellow bikers. I think the most important to learn is to know how to use splint cause most worst biker accident is broken collar bone.  |
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