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Post by bobby on Jan 18, 2008 19:51:58 GMT 8
I would like to explain to my children the proper way to land on a bike during drops. I myself do not know how so I dont do it that much. All our bikes are hard tails. The kids of today.
Can the experts enlighten me. Thanks a lot.
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Post by angelobryant on Jan 18, 2008 21:00:37 GMT 8
pedal forward, pull the handler bar up while thrusting the bike forward, let momentum carry you forward and land back wheel first or both wheel at the same time. better yet watch youtube na lang. seach from ryan leech or leach yata. hehe
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Post by flipnidaho on Jan 18, 2008 21:04:13 GMT 8
My rule about landing a drop is to NOT land face first...
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Post by tarantula on Jan 18, 2008 21:45:17 GMT 8
sir flip youve got a very sound advice...ehehehehehehe
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Post by Patrick on Jan 18, 2008 23:13:03 GMT 8
Land drops or How to drop?....
Best How to drop is learn the pedal drop....as you approach the edge start with your bad foot (the back foot when you coast, yes you do have a preference in case you didn't know) at 1 o'clock position in the cranks.
Using a low gear ratio ... pedal, lean back to start a wheelie...you should end up dropping when your forward foot is ahead with your front tire high. Remember as you pedal you should begin to stand up pull on the bars also...tuck the bars close to you...maintain this position ...don't lean backwards too much, a bit forward is fine.
Landing... as you land on the rear tire loosen the arms to absorb the impact. The body now acts as a suspension with the entire bike as the suspension arms and your arms the shock absorber. As you loosen your pull on the bars land your front tire on the pavement.
Landing like a cat is important, as you land the legs should be almost straight and as you absorb the impact, bend the legs as far as you can go ( to a point of sitting back again ). This will spread the impact gradually on the bike lessening chances of breaking any parts.
Watch out for:
-Too much leaning back. -Landing on loose gravel, grass or anything that might cause your rear tire to skid. -Landing on both tires, this could hurt your arms or wrists especially when you are using a rigid fork -Crappy brakes
Do
-Do it gradually - practice on a 6 inch curb and practice your way up. -Wear a Helmet -Incase of overshooting and landing on your back - do level your back to spread the impact ... lift your neck a bit.
Remember
-Its not a big deal do pedal drop so don't be afraid -Its much safer to screw up a pedal drop than running fast on a ledge and ending up doing an endo
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Post by anshwa on Jan 18, 2008 23:16:45 GMT 8
I would like to explain to my children the proper way to land on a bike during drops. I myself do not know how so I dont do it that much. All our bikes are hard tails. The kids of today. Can the experts enlighten me. Thanks a lot. Pat just explained a trials technique on how to drop off. I'm not an expert but my explanation would be for dropping off while moving (riding on the trails or on the street). Since you’re teaching your kids, you might want to start dropping off a sidewalk. Approach it a little faster than jogging speed. Stay loose & off the saddle. As the front wheel is about to roll off the edge of the curb, move to the rear of the saddle. Not too much, just a little – probably you’re thighs by two ends of the saddle. You don’t have to pull on the bars with this technique. You would land either rear wheel first or both wheels at the same time. It’s not an issure right now because there is no way you’d endo & go over the bars off a sidewalk – unless you grab a ton of front brake. Speaking of which, have your kids stay off the front brake for now when practicing drop offs. For now, let them exaggerate absorbing the landing by bending their knees & staying at the rear of the bike. When they’re comfortable, they’ll know if it’s too much exaggeration. By the way, the amount of movement of the rider to rear of the bike would depend on the speed your approaching the drop. Moving to the rear of the bike unweighs the front wheel so you could figure that if you’re approaching the edge of the drop slower, the more you need to hold the front wheel unweighed, thus more movement to the rear. If they have the sidewalk dialed (w/c really wouldn’t take a lot of time), move on to a half foot ledge, then a foot, & so on & so forth. Make sure the higher they start dropping off to flat (w/c means there is no sloping landing like a loading dock or plant box to the street) the more they need to land rear wheel first. There are a few ways to do drops but this is pretty much a very basic (but very effective) way of doing them. Good luck, sir.
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Post by Patrick on Jan 18, 2008 23:22:11 GMT 8
If using an FS bike, land on both tires but it is important to spread the impact as well... Don't let the bike absorb all the impact As you can see the rider has his legs almost straight and given the impact all to the bike, see it bottoming out both suspension after landing a 5-6 feet drop . Mastering to absorbing the impact actually feels good. Its like making love to the bike hehe. This could really be bad for a hardtail. Sorry Nilo(?) hehe saw the pic as a good example of impact.
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Post by Patrick on Jan 18, 2008 23:24:12 GMT 8
Yeah Anshwa that was quite advanced but it could be scaled down to be applied to kids... dropping can cause endos for the kids you know hehe
Wait a minute...how old are the kids?
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Post by anshwa on Jan 18, 2008 23:30:26 GMT 8
Pat, oh no, brad. You're explanation was perfect. If the kids could handle the technique involved in doing a trials method, I'm all for it. I just offered a different way of dropping off. Awesome explanation, man.
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Post by bobby on Jan 18, 2008 23:59:01 GMT 8
Wow, never knew that. Thanks a lot . Lately yes they have been doing it on obstacles like sidewalks and on our 2 step stairs well they are probably doing it right, coz z I dont even hear their bikes flex, whats that? Is it innate in them. By the way they are 8 and 11 years of age. Thank you patrick and anshwa. With all that help, i will let them read it to hone their skills more.
Lastly i will practice when they;re out in school. Nah just kidding. Thank you again.
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Post by Patrick on Jan 19, 2008 0:15:52 GMT 8
Pat, oh no, brad. You're explanation was perfect. If the kids could handle the technique involved in doing a trials method, I'm all for it. I just offered a different way of dropping off. Awesome explanation, man. Likewise pare. ;D btw the first few months of my riding 2 years ago I endoed coming down a sidewalk hehe that made me learn to do it right hehe It was quite embarrassing coming from an old man hehe
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Post by anshwa on Jan 19, 2008 0:33:03 GMT 8
Likewise pare. ;D btw the first few months of my riding 2 years ago I endoed coming down a sidewalk hehe that made me learn to do it right hehe It was quite embarrassing coming from an old man hehe Pat, either you did grab a lot of front brake or your version of a sidewalk is an actual big ledge - hehe. Ikaw pa. I'm more inclined to believe that as a young kid you considered a 1-foot ledge to be a sidewalk. ;D
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Post by anshwa on Jan 19, 2008 0:36:00 GMT 8
Wow, never knew that. Thanks a lot . Lately yes they have been doing it on obstacles like sidewalks and on our 2 step stairs well they are probably doing it right, coz z I dont even hear their bikes flex, whats that? Is it innate in them. By the way they are 8 and 11 years of age. Thank you patrick and anshwa. With all that help, i will let them read it to hone their skills more. Lastly i will practice when they;re out in school. Nah just kidding. Thank you again. That is awesome, Bobby! My 6-year old likewise just learned how to drop off sidewalks. He's liking it actually. You're kids are gonna be animals when they grow up! It's fantastic you support their riding. Props, man.
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Post by Patrick on Jan 19, 2008 10:23:29 GMT 8
Pat, either you did grab a lot of front brake or your version of a sidewalk is an actual big ledge - hehe. Ikaw pa. I'm more inclined to believe that as a young kid you considered a 1-foot ledge to be a sidewalk. ;D Actually my front tire rolled back after hitting the edge of the asphalt layer of the street. I only started riding only 2 years ago, Last I had a bike was a play bike when I was in grade 6 and it wasn't a "real" BMX. It was a calling I didn't listen to, because when I rode a bike with 2 wheels for the first time it was natural for me to pedal and balance plus I didn't have a scooter.
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Post by thops on Jan 19, 2008 21:29:08 GMT 8
hope this helps
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Post by skarhed on Jan 20, 2008 2:46:51 GMT 8
uhhhh... just make sure both wheels touch the ground... ;D
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Post by 0yayi on Jan 20, 2008 10:54:36 GMT 8
Wow, never knew that. Thanks a lot . Lately yes they have been doing it on obstacles like sidewalks and on our 2 step stairs well they are probably doing it right, coz z I dont even hear their bikes flex, whats that? Is it innate in them. By the way they are 8 and 11 years of age. Thank you patrick and anshwa. With all that help, i will let them read it to hone their skills more. Lastly i will practice when they;re out in school. Nah just kidding. Thank you again. Oh boy I sure would like to see them do those sidewalk drops on our next ride bobby. Btw guys, his kids are girls if I remember correctly.
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Post by bobby on Jan 21, 2008 5:03:08 GMT 8
Nothing much for my girls, they still have the fear factor of falling. Its their boy playmate who is really very aggressive. And they just kind of imitate him. This boy is all suited up with complete armour, their ride is a 16 incher HT. Once again the kids of today!The boy is 8 and a half years old if well honed he'll go a long way.
He is the real animal when he grows up.
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Post by Alphabolt on Jan 21, 2008 10:31:31 GMT 8
Wow, never knew that. Thanks a lot . Lately yes they have been doing it on obstacles like sidewalks and on our 2 step stairs well they are probably doing it right, coz z I dont even hear their bikes flex, whats that? Is it innate in them. By the way they are 8 and 11 years of age. Thank you patrick and anshwa. With all that help, i will let them read it to hone their skills more. Lastly i will practice when they;re out in school. Nah just kidding. Thank you again. That is awesome, Bobby! My 6-year old likewise just learned how to drop off sidewalks. He's liking it actually. You're kids are gonna be animals when they grow up! It's fantastic you support their riding. Props, man. Wow ! your 6yrold can drop na!? Mine couldnt even ride without trainer wheels (my 5 1/2 yr old girl) cool! how d ya teach him!
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Post by bobby on Jan 21, 2008 12:41:08 GMT 8
alphabolt, my 8 year old was about that age too, and I still wasn't removing her trainer wheels then. After a while bit by bit as her confidence grew I raised the trainer a little bit higher until I have noticed that she was actually riding it without the trainer hitting the pavement anymore.
Then the unexpected happened on trainer bracket broke, she told me to remove the broken one, but I still left the other one on, till finally " papa remove it to also. cause it gets in my way ".
That is the long and short of it. Know what I'm saying.
By time 6 yrs. old na yan (he/she) is going to learn it too.
Regards.
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Post by ten on Jan 21, 2008 14:12:14 GMT 8
land safe brad... pull the handle bar lean back.... look ahead
and pray... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Patrick on Jan 23, 2008 22:38:15 GMT 8
hehe praying while doing a drop is distracting
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Post by Daimler on Jan 24, 2008 8:14:40 GMT 8
but least you got to go to heaven in case something goes wrong... peace, y'all... ;D
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Jan 24, 2008 16:45:38 GMT 8
do it & practice more.
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Post by Alphabolt on Jan 24, 2008 18:34:11 GMT 8
alphabolt, my 8 year old was about that age too, and I still wasn't removing her trainer wheels then. After a while bit by bit as her confidence grew I raised the trainer a little bit higher until I have noticed that she was actually riding it without the trainer hitting the pavement anymore. Then the unexpected happened on trainer bracket broke, she told me to remove the broken one, but I still left the other one on, till finally " papa remove it to also. cause it gets in my way ". That is the long and short of it. Know what I'm saying. By time 6 yrs. old na yan (he/she) is going to learn it too. Regards. that s a sweet story , brad that would bring a tear in my eye (the left eye na lang) to hear my daughter declare her independence "papa remove it to also. cause it gets in my way" ...kahit sa bikng lang she s my daddy's girl forever
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Post by bobby on Jan 25, 2008 7:48:13 GMT 8
@ alphabolt, there has got to be a time when you have to let go. We have to move on someway somehow. Anyways my eldest, which I have an apo , she's 26 years old. still sleeps besides us. She's always been his papa's girl. ( I think this belongs to another thread Gen. MTB Discussions )
Your Uncle Bob!
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Post by anshwa on Feb 5, 2008 1:28:50 GMT 8
That is awesome, Bobby! My 6-year old likewise just learned how to drop off sidewalks. He's liking it actually. You're kids are gonna be animals when they grow up! It's fantastic you support their riding. Props, man. Wow ! your 6yrold can drop na!? Mine couldnt even ride without trainer wheels (my 5 1/2 yr old girl) cool! how d ya teach him! Alphabolt, he's not really consistently dropping off the way we all know how. Half the time he'll just roll down the sidewalk. But yeah, he's still rolling off the curb so I have to give him props. To be honest, I tried teaching him how to drop off & it's almost like it's too much information for him to absorb. But I guess he's seen me dropping off sidewalks & ledges enough that he just kind'a wanted to do what I was doing. Once you have your daughter riding on 2 wheels already, just ride with her a lot & she'll just pick up on the "cool" things you do with your bike. Kids are very smart & they'll pick up quick on what you're doing. OT: Btw, i rode with him yesterday & he had his first "nuts-hitting-the-handlebar-crash". I don't want to sound mean but when he started rolling on the pavement crying so loud because as he said, "It hurts badly!". I was just laughing while consoling him. Up until that moment, he didn't know how much it hurts getting hit down there - LOL! He even wanted to check his jewels right then & there - LOL! Now he knows what I meant by kicking or punching strangers in the groin when they try to touch them. Hehehe.
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Feb 5, 2008 2:20:34 GMT 8
Land right! not wrong ok! that's the proper technique...
as i've posted i don''t know where... watch pro or people who can do it right... then learn.... then practice....
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Post by bobby on Feb 5, 2008 4:41:15 GMT 8
@gtu, I agree with you, I think watching somebody do it right is the best way to learn it. Hands on I say.
@ Patrick where do you practice? I heard from 0yayi that he sees you practicing somewhere in Makati. I would like my children see you practice.
@ Anshwa, how's the kid? NO hematoma or something? Full body armour na yan on the groin area.
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Post by anshwa on Feb 5, 2008 6:18:10 GMT 8
@ Bobby, nothing major. It just got red. And the crash was just him turning the wheel toward the lawn by the side walk w/c cause the wheel to stop rolling. He's fine 5 mins after. Thanks for asking.
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