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Post by bernie on Nov 27, 2007 19:26:00 GMT 8
One of the best way is to invest a "trainer" machine, where you can monitor your capacity to climb and to know your limitations. Practice, proper breathing and gearings are the key, the "S" technique is not totally a myth, it just adds time on climbing but putting more effort.
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Post by jr on Nov 27, 2007 22:52:19 GMT 8
Another key. Pulling rather pushing during pedal stroke is another key succeed on climbs. Use those big muscles group on your legs.
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Post by schwinng on Nov 27, 2007 23:27:18 GMT 8
Another key. Pulling rather pushing during pedal stroke is another key succeed on climbs. Use those big muscles group on your legs. Listen to Jr., he's a climber extraordinaire
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Post by jr on Nov 28, 2007 0:45:02 GMT 8
Another key. Pulling rather pushing during pedal stroke is another key succeed on climbs. Use those big muscles group on your legs. Listen to Jr., he's a climber extraordinaire This what I observed with Pedro on geared bike ;D ;D.
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Post by angelobryant on Nov 29, 2007 12:54:29 GMT 8
I'm hoping tempo and cruise intervals could do the trick.
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Post by bongjumper on Nov 29, 2007 15:59:26 GMT 8
Training.... training... training... and more training... before you go riding in a long climb...
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Post by lloyd on Nov 29, 2007 19:33:26 GMT 8
yap, Bong is correct
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Post by webmask on Nov 30, 2007 12:38:46 GMT 8
i am a newbie and pedals for just a couple of months. i am no good at long climbs but finding this thread helps me alooooot!! we had a long climb today and after a couple of weeks of practice base from what i learn here its worth it! i found out that the effective way for beginners for long climbs is not to rush or push hard like somebody or a dog is chasing at you. but rather your gears set at your comfort, relax, breath and look around enjoy!
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Post by sdny on Nov 30, 2007 14:06:30 GMT 8
Sir webmask: where exactly are you in bacolod?
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Post by webmask on Nov 30, 2007 17:36:30 GMT 8
Sir webmask: where exactly are you in bacolod? sdny, i am located at camingawan a barangay right after the villa ange la subd. it is where all MTB's here in bacolod passby when they go to alangilan, granada and such.
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Post by sdny on Dec 1, 2007 8:11:51 GMT 8
it's your place along the city heights or dona juliana? or along the way in villamonte capitol heights, which one not familiar nah the location, eh! but my brother is residing in celine homes up capitol heights, my tito naman in city heights? please be guided your location...thanx! maybe next year, home coming for short vacation.....
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Post by kulot_salot on Dec 1, 2007 15:49:45 GMT 8
This is the small climb I'm talking about nga pala i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/angelobryant/Untitled-1.jpgCome to think of it, I think I stopped maybe around just 2 kilometers from the top and not at the half like I said the other day. The whether when we were climbing was foggy and cold... terrain is loose rock, mostly golf ball sized with some occational tennis ball sizes. Grade range from as flat as 2 degrees to as steep as 35 degrees on some section. Im pretty sure baguio peeps have no problem climbing this mountain.. I on the other hand suffered. angelo, where is this again? what mountain range is that? i know you're located in nueva vizcaya... cordillera ba? nice mountain route pare!!! ilang percent road/off-road? elevation gain?
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Post by angelobryant on Dec 1, 2007 17:04:43 GMT 8
@ulot_salot brad, I live in Nueva Ecija and the mountain is mt kabuyao. 50% paved road, 50% fire road with rocks and stuff. The paved road is easy climbing, the fire road on the other hand is not. Right now, I don't know the elevation gain but I shall look it up on the laptop since google earth is installed there. There's a view deck up there near the relay station and you can see the entirety of baguio from up there! The marker from where we started (FROM HERE) intersects with Marcos Highway. heres the link www.wikimapia.org/#lat=16.361527&lon=120.562077&z=15&l=0&m=a&v=2
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Post by grnhrnt on Dec 1, 2007 18:13:07 GMT 8
sarap din the descent!
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Post by kulot_salot on Dec 3, 2007 10:07:58 GMT 8
oh! nueva ecija pala... ;D sorry, wrong mistake... thanks a many angelo!!! great climb you got there talaga!!! @ boss ramon, yeah! sweet descend!!! ;D sssshhh!!! not to loud... alphafafa may hear us.... hehehehe.... ;D ;D ;D @ulot_salot brad, I live in Nueva Ecija and the mountain is mt kabuyao. 50% paved road, 50% fire road with rocks and stuff. The paved road is easy climbing, the fire road on the other hand is not. Right now, I don't know the elevation gain but I shall look it up on the laptop since google earth is installed there. There's a view deck up there near the relay station and you can see the entirety of baguio from up there! The marker from where we started (FROM HERE) intersects with Marcos Highway. heres the link www.wikimapia.org/#lat=16.361527&lon=120.562077&z=15&l=0&m=a&v=2
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Post by bobby on Dec 3, 2007 23:01:44 GMT 8
I was advised by flipnidaho, to do practice during rainy days here in Manila to try the carparks here, I tried to but unluckily, security wont allow it. Anyways, last Thursday, a wet all day ride, got me to Commonwealth Ave., where I needed to cross that road, as i approached the overpass I was glad to see that it has an access for carts, motorcycles, pedicabs or even tricycles. I tried it even if the path was really slick, man, did i scrambled for the gears just not to stall but still i did.
So what I did was to do it more than a couple of times to get the right gearing. When i finally did , I told myself there is an overpass nearer my place where I can practice more. Just sharing this experience to those who live in flat lands.
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Post by sdny on Dec 4, 2007 13:27:28 GMT 8
@ sir bobby: what! practice during rainy days hehehehe, sound kakaiba kyo hah, and most especially carparks wowwwwww! sir my best advice for your practice is dry land/pavement, me as an newbie from biking never practice during rainy days, it might send you directly to the hospital for accident. just for your own safety pleaseeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!avoid the wet portion of the road, maybe there's a hole in there.....missing, lam muna shot ka dyan!!!!!!
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Post by nell7806 on Dec 4, 2007 19:28:22 GMT 8
On climbing, If your not wearing clipless, imagine that there is a gum stuck under your shoe and your trying to remove it by kinda scratching/scraping it against the ground...try to do this untill your system becomes familiar with it, but still I haven't tried using clipless but if you would learn to use one, you can even pull not just push...either those things like being patiet and be able to concentrate, a tough mind can also make the climb...the best is practice, as for me...I haven't climbed Cardiac without dismounting off my bike, but one day just last Nov. 1, due to lack of space for another passenger in my father in-laws' space wagon caused me to use my Trekky to follow them at Dasma where there is this kinda elavated road going to Bangkal where I only see the group of roadies climb. I only said to myslelf, "kung talagang nde kaya, iuuwi ko na lang yung bike at sasakay na lang ako ng jeep papuntang Dasma." (trans= if I couldn't make this climb, I'll just return home and proceed to Dasma by boarding a passenger jeepney.) at Exactly 12nn, carrying my hydration bag and wearing only sandals because I cannot find my shoes, I went to climb at a steady pace of 8Kph...and surprisingly my wife cannot believe that I really did it. I think proper fuel intake and rest/sleep also helps a lot...if your goin to ask, 2 hours before that I ate almost a plate full of spag (proper carbo loading is a very important factor in long climbs) and upon reaching the place, I ate again but just half of what I ate hours ago
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Post by DarKman on Dec 4, 2007 19:44:06 GMT 8
Proper sleep is important too. Never could climb Maarat without stopping to rest but one day (with proper sleep i guess), I was able to climb it without stopping 2 times in a row and felt that i could still go for a third (using a 38lb rig). Proper rest before a ride with long climbs is crucial..just so hard to do coz rides are usually done on weekends.
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Post by sdny on Dec 4, 2007 19:58:54 GMT 8
me too, proper sleep/rest. avoid eating meat/red meat the day before your climb to the summit, it may reduce the heavy stuff in you! imagine the meat/red meat will last 4-5 days before could melt in your stomach, preferrable fish of a slice of chicken/vegetables.....i recently bike maarat but twice to stop. anyway just practice-practice and decipline alot before going to task your objective.....
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Post by bobby on Dec 5, 2007 15:05:00 GMT 8
Reason for me riding in the rain was that i really had no option, I do my rounds all over the metro on a MTB, come shine or rain. I really take a lot of care when riding though when doing the latter.
It just so happened that the overpass was challenging.
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Post by jeRICHo on Dec 5, 2007 21:24:50 GMT 8
bobby: i lived near that overpass. but i have a better practice zone which is in tivoli royale behind ever commonwealth. i don't live there but i practice there most of the time(just pretending i lived there). it has a short climb going back to the main entrance once you've reached the bottom of the subd. i do that when i have no one to bike with. push push push...i can't pull. i used flatform pedals... hehehe
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Post by sdny on Dec 6, 2007 9:17:48 GMT 8
@ bobby or jericho650: if you had time i could invited you two, in my playground here in filinvest 2, a 1km 45 deg. angle climb.......and some rolling of uphill and downhill with house shopping na rin hehehhe!!!!beleive me why go maarat, when here in filinvest you got what you want for training ground hehehe!!!!pm me if time permitted every afternoon from 4-6pm only with conditions............sdny 0906-3431547........
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Post by bobby on Dec 6, 2007 17:11:46 GMT 8
jericho650 yeah i've been there too at Tivoli Royale, for a birthday bash of tv personality, at their clubhouse. Its really nice there to practice steep climbs at least 5x from the gate to the clubhouse.
sdny, thanks fo the invites, but during those times i'm still somewhere in the Makati area. Anyways i'll keep your C.P. #
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Post by sdny on Dec 6, 2007 17:14:20 GMT 8
@ bobby: okey, : sir noted
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Post by dirtm0nkey on Dec 14, 2007 11:56:30 GMT 8
Everyone's said everything else but just to add to all the great posts... drop some excess weight, not being a weight weenie or anything but when you're going for long climbs every pound counts, also hydrate properly so you don't cramp up, but don't overdo it, take 16 oz. of electrolyte sol. (I like Nuun) 30 mins before, and, if you can manage, take small sips every 10-15 minutes. A powerbar 30 minutes prior to a hard ride isn't a bad idea either!
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Post by schwinng on Dec 14, 2007 23:05:00 GMT 8
There's really no secret guys. If you ride on a regular basis, your endurance and power will eventually improve and you'll be able to climb any hills. Like what Nell7806 said, "imagine that there is a gum stuck under your shoe and your trying to remove it by kinda scratching/scraping it against the ground..." Greg Lemond gave the same advice and if anyone to take advice from on climbing, it would be Lemond. Ride, ride, ride!
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Post by kenetics on Dec 17, 2007 23:05:49 GMT 8
Some useful climbing tips to add to what has already been mentioned:
1. Sit on the end of your saddle to bring your center of gravity further forward 2. Raise your seat post higher (again to balance your center of gravity) 3. Lower your fork (decrease travel) 4. Lock your front and rear shocks whenever possible for efficient pedaling (the less "bobbing" the better)
But i also agree, nothing beats practice and commitment.
Hope this helps.
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Post by knobbyist on Dec 23, 2007 14:38:05 GMT 8
how about a tricycle ride to the top... hahaha! seriously our group have had our fair share of uphill climbs. i ride with monsters you see and they really dig the uphills. hahaha! while i can't ride as fast as they can on climbs, what i find to be useful are making full and proper use of your available gears. don't shift to granny when your legs can still take the incline, reserve your light gears and use them on the really steep sections. just let the bike do the work for you. another important thing is to ride at your own pace. its quite easy to burn out on climbs so just take it easy and think happy thoughts.
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Post by BrusKO on Dec 24, 2007 2:15:56 GMT 8
kulot-salot shows us how to climb The Wall at night: First, he hydrates himself to make sure that no stops are made: Then, he meditates: ...and contemplates: Then up he goes: Recovery is very important BEFORE... ... and AFTER the event: Chicken feed!
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