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Post by wcoastbo on Dec 19, 2005 15:58:18 GMT 8
I use this technique to hop up a 8 inch curb, but if one practised enough and the timing is perfect it can be used to get over large logs and rocks. Not a bunny hop because the front and back wheel touch the log. I'll need to practise a lot on the timing before clearing large obstacles. check out the video. www.adksportsfitness.com/april2004/columns/mtb.html |
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Post by PT on Dec 19, 2005 19:29:16 GMT 8
i use that when i go up sidewalks .. haha .. i'd still use a bunnyhop to clear objects during trail riding and dh ... much better when going fast .. ü
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Post by elokahn on Dec 19, 2005 22:05:00 GMT 8
i also use that, but havent tried a high one yet. practice, practice, practice... ;D
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Post by wcoastbo on Dec 20, 2005 4:55:50 GMT 8
endoboy, would you agree that this technique has all the same motions as a bunnyhop, pulling up bars, lifting wheel and same weightshift... just different timing and less "hop".
when I was learning to ride bikes in grade school my friend taught me this to get up on a curb or sidewalk, but at a very slow speed... we weren't strong enough to bunnyhop. I still use this same technique with my roadbike, but at slow speed.
once this method is mastered, then a rider would have technique and confidence to bunnyhop objects at full speed. would you agree that it's good to learn this before bunnyhops?
just a thought to help those learning to bunnyhop.
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Post by tnt on Dec 20, 2005 7:06:24 GMT 8
Isn't what they are doing the J-hop...front tire first then the rear?
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Post by elokahn on Dec 20, 2005 7:57:55 GMT 8
does the j-hop make you lift the tail too?
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Post by wcoastbo on Dec 20, 2005 10:02:51 GMT 8
someone correct me if i'm wrong, but a j-hop and bunny-hop are essentially the same thing. you clear the obstacle without touching it. the difference between the two is that the front wheel is lifted first then the rear follows with a j-hop... one can clear a taller object at slower speeds with this method. a bunny-hop lifts both wheels at the same time and is better for clearing low objects at a higher speed, such as a wide rut or hole in the ground.
the video shows the front wheel touching the object then the rear wheel, therefore not a true bunny-hop. most of us have been doing this same move for years to get up to a curb/sidewalk, but I've never heard a technical term for it.
the difference between a fallen tree and a curb is the dropoff on the other side of the log, so I never considered this technique to clear a log. It seems easiery than hopping... I just need to practice.
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Post by PT on Dec 20, 2005 19:50:41 GMT 8
i always thought na yung bunny hop ang j-hop pareho lang .. front tire first then the rear follows. kasi yung bunny diba pag tumalon nakaangat na yung front legs\hands followed by the rear. yung hop na sabay yung rear and front,tawag namin dun " double hop"| would you agree that it's good to learn this before bunnyhops? dude,well ..i cant really say which is better to learn first .. kasi ako i learned the bunny hop before anything else thats why it feels very natural to me na .. ginagamit ko yung technique na yan to go up curbs paminsan-minsan .. in my opinion mas ok yung bunny hop kasi dehins masisira yung momentum,especially when going fast .. pero for mga trail riding naman or any other rides where you dont have to blast down and worry about time (like in a race),ok yan .. it looks technical pa,diba?? hehe ..  |
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Post by rob on Dec 21, 2005 12:48:09 GMT 8
"dude,well ..i cant really say which is better to learn first .. kasi ako i learned the bunny hop before anything else thats why it feels very natural to me na"
Same here endo boy, the skill kinda looks like what I would call a horse jump (sorry about the old school term). It's a bunny hop but nose diving to cover longer ground. the only difference is you hit the obstacle on top. hmmm. looks kinda scary to do in high speed runs.
wcoastbo,
this seems easier to learn than bunnyhops, your right.
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Post by the D. on Dec 21, 2005 13:25:16 GMT 8
you could learn it at the same time,
practice the log thing on a sidewalk, you'll find it very simple
the good thing about it is, you don't exert to much effort when clearing obstacle
like a an elevetaed sidewalk. it also have some basic bunny hoping fundamentals
this will give you an idea when to pull the front and rear and the timing.
practice the bunnyhop/horse jump/j-hop/wachmaculit when riding high speed |
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Post by MASTERneilsvhongqui on Dec 29, 2005 22:13:29 GMT 8
ya, i think bunnyhops are better when clearing obstacles. once you get the hang of it, you dont even need that much speed to hop over things. but i think the letting-your-tires-touch-the-log technique is just plain easier to do.
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Post by extraFunky on Jan 12, 2006 4:12:17 GMT 8
here's a good log hop tutorial from a fellow pinoy (drevil at mtbr.com) here in the washington dc area. www.tuktok.com/loghop/ rickyd aka drevil on a karate monkey |
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Post by jr on Jan 12, 2006 6:32:01 GMT 8
Nice step by step move with a rigid fork  .. I notice guy using a small chain ring (maybe 32or 34T). Just may add: If you using a regular crank (44T) make sure your chain is in the bigger chain ring. This will protect the ring teeth when hitting the log. Again if you have an expensive crankset/bottom bracket or far from home walking is an option ;D ;D. |
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Post by extraFunky on Jan 12, 2006 9:03:48 GMT 8
Nice step by step move with a rigid fork .. I notice guy using a small chain ring (maybe 32or 34T). he had a bash guard. i think he was running 32x20 on his monkey. did you notice the h-bars? these guys are doing crazy stuff on rigid, singlespeed, 29ers. he already sold that km and he's now on a much blinger ride. |
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Post by PT on Jan 12, 2006 15:29:18 GMT 8
i wanna learn how to do backflips or tailwhips while hopping over logs!! lol! hahahah!
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Post by Alphabolt on Jan 12, 2006 23:07:38 GMT 8
Go for it , endoboy ! heheh You can be our local Timo Pritzel Im only learning how to properly bunny hop/J- hop at jogging speed...gotta clear a water pitcher or a basketball first before I can claim to have mastered it. Oh well Saw Jeff Maliwanag (sic) do a J-Hop over a side table-sized Rock at Puray...wowaweee |
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Post by PT on Jan 14, 2006 10:33:40 GMT 8
heheh ..ü practice lang dude!
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Post by freelancer on Jan 25, 2006 0:44:59 GMT 8
man...i need to lose weight to do this.... =(
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Post by extraFunky on Sept 25, 2006 9:30:55 GMT 8
After months and months of practice, I've finally learned how to do this. Yay me! Check out this video I made... ride565.blogspot.com/2006/09/yes-theres-one-more-thing.htmlmost of us have been doing this same move for years to get up to a curb/sidewalk, but I've never heard a technical term for it. Around here, I think they call it "log tap" because you have to tap the log with your front wheel before you jump up. |
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 26, 2006 9:05:57 GMT 8
just pull-up make sagasa with speed......dont mind it!
powerfull brakes for late braking teknik!......practice more!
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Post by puregutz on Sept 26, 2006 12:10:47 GMT 8
just pull-up make sagasa with speed......dont mind it! powerfull brakes for late braking teknik!......practice more! Thanks for the tips!  Now if only I have time to practice.... |
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Post by extraFunky on Sept 26, 2006 22:46:58 GMT 8
make sagasa with speed......dont mind it! But make sure you have a bashring. ;D You wouldn't want this:  |
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Post by anshwa on Sept 26, 2006 22:48:51 GMT 8
Bunnyhops, manuals, ride over logs, etc. all have their place. Just do 'em all. I've noticed that when I'm really tired (w/c is most of the time) pedalling, it's really hard for me to bunnyhop over logs so I just ride over them just like the very first link on this thread. When I'm feeling strong or freeriding or riding urban or downhilling, I do bunnyhops more.
BTW, that Pinoy on the singlespeed riding over the log is awesome! Proud to see some hard-crankin' Filipinos!
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Post by bao on Sept 26, 2006 22:59:23 GMT 8
just pull-up make sagasa with speed......dont mind it! powerfull brakes for late braking teknik!......practice more! I don't think I can do it on a 20-inch log.... |
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Post by Patrick on Sept 27, 2006 0:36:41 GMT 8
Yep, the bike will get jammed in the log ;D plus the guy in the photo is using a 29er.
The tap BTW actually preloads the bike by compressing the front and rear tires making the leap higher,
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 27, 2006 16:49:47 GMT 8
just pull-up make sagasa with speed......dont mind it! powerfull brakes for late braking teknik!......practice more! I don't think I can do it on a 20-inch log.... if your using a XC bike u got time hard for 20inch log probably 'semplang' afterwards.......DH bikes never cares just pull up pass them 'sagasa'......never mind it......let the long travel plus rebound/compresion of the rear shock do the job......keep on rockin the branches! |
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Post by wcoastbo on Sept 28, 2006 14:07:15 GMT 8
nice video Funky! you make it look easy. I really need to practise, this old dog needs to learn a new trick.
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Post by rob on Sept 30, 2006 7:08:10 GMT 8
was that a 29"er he was riding? Cool!
Different terrain and speeds need diffrent attacks. Bunnyhoping on high speed single tracks are kind of risky sometimes, specially if your new to the area.
Hey Bo, I'm sure you have something up your sleeves.
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Post by oenone on Nov 17, 2006 8:23:20 GMT 8
i tried and i fell!!! huhuhuhu
but ill try agai, after i get lighter
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Post by robpax on Nov 17, 2006 13:03:41 GMT 8
20-inch diameter log, wow that's something! Wouldn't it be better and safer to dismount the bike and walk over or around such a huge log?
I think this means i need to start practicing that bunny hop thing.
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.. I notice guy using a small chain ring (maybe 32or 34T).
Now if only I have time to practice....
